(07-13-2018 02:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  So yes, scheduling area schools and moving into a much more regional conference would increase ticket sales and save a lot of money, respectively.

You also said it in your post, but Rice has to win. Joe Karlgaard and David Bailiff turned the football program into a raging dumpster fire.

We had four football season tickets, and no problem getting friends to join us when the program was winning. The opponent really didn't matter, although the Houston and Army tickets always went first.

We were at the WKU game. At halftime, our friends left and asked us to please not invite them to another Rice football game. It was that bad.

We dropped to two season tickets, to none, to out of the Owl Club. Bloomgren seems a decent hire, but he has a mountain to climb before the fans come back.

(07-14-2018 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

Since Tech left the SBC to go to the WAC and since they refused to return to the SBC ...regional was not important to Tech.

Then you even say that the better conference is better than a regional conference. Well you can't have it both ways so which is it.....

regional or better conference?

Below is a 3 year look (2007,2010, 2012 Tech's last year in the WAC) and I dont see any drop off in attendance from playing more regional school. Will a regional conference save a school a few dollars on travel? Yes, but will it put butts in the seats? So far the is no proof showing me it will. You could say the opposite is true.


Utah State 25614
UTSA 23645
Rice* 23228
Navy* 23122
Southern Miss* 22344
No. 20 Hawaii 22135
UNLV* 21850
Idaho 20255
Central Arkansas* 20240
Idaho 19750
Boise State 19199
No. 17 Nevada 18562
New Mexico State 18211
Fresno State 17057
Utah State 16073
San Jose State 13027

When Louisiana Tech joined the WAC, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP were all members. LTU was an independent. They wanted to play the Texas schools. Not long after, the Texas schools and Tulsa bolted for CUSA. LTU was left behind in the WAC. They were quick to join CUSA West when they got the chance. Notice that their most poorly attended games were against the WAC schools. They weren't interested in the Sun Belt because it wasn't considered as competitive a conference, and the geography of CUSA worked.

Since that time, the TV bubble has popped, NCAA basketball credits have disappeared, states have decreased their subsidies to state athletics departments, P5 schools refuse to play in G5 stadiums and basketball arenas, and students are voting down expensive athletics fees.

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

(07-14-2018 06:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

Since Tech left the SBC to go to the WAC and since they refused to return to the SBC ...regional was not important to Tech.

Then you even say that the better conference is better than a regional conference. Well you can't have it both ways so which is it.....

regional or better conference?

Below is a 3 year look (2007,2010, 2012 Tech's last year in the WAC) and I dont see any drop off in attendance from playing more regional school. Will a regional conference save a school a few dollars on travel? Yes, but will it put butts in the seats? So far the is no proof showing me it will. You could say the opposite is true.


Utah State 25614
UTSA 23645
Rice* 23228
Navy* 23122
Southern Miss* 22344
No. 20 Hawaii 22135
UNLV* 21850
Idaho 20255
Central Arkansas* 20240
Idaho 19750
Boise State 19199
No. 17 Nevada 18562
New Mexico State 18211
Fresno State 17057
Utah State 16073
San Jose State 13027

When Louisiana Tech joined the WAC, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP were all members. LTU was an independent. They wanted to play the Texas schools. Not long after, the Texas schools and Tulsa bolted for CUSA. LTU was left behind in the WAC. They were quick to join CUSA West when they got the chance. Notice that their most poorly attended games were against the WAC schools. They weren't interested in the Sun Belt because it wasn't considered as competitive a conference, and the geography of CUSA worked.

Since that time, the TV bubble has popped, NCAA basketball credits have disappeared, states have decreased their subsidies to state athletics departments, P5 schools refuse to play in G5 stadiums and basketball arenas, and students are voting down expensive athletics fees.

WKYUG, Tech was never in the Sunbelt in Football. Turning down the Sunbelt was definitely one the best decisions Tech admin has made. Playing in the WAC against ranked teams on ESPN versus the regional bottom feeder Sunbelt that never got any exposure much less a top 25 ranking.


There were numerous Top 25 WAC teams that played in Ruston over the years. Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State.

Many of those WAC games were well attended Boise, Fresno and Hawaii 22k+ and were televised on ESPN. Boise State ranked #5 in the country on Friday Night, a ranked Hawaii team with Mark Kelly, Chip Reiss and Lou Houltz commentating. But once the WAC imploded it was time for Tech to find a new conference

Now WKU has had some good teams and there have been some exciting competitive games with the hilltoppers. But none of the other Sunbelt additions to CUSA are going to move the attendance needle, either because of lack of history, perennial losers or being apart of the Sunbelt which has been the worst football confernce since it's inception

It will take time to build other rivarlies, but playing Southern Miss in Football and Baseball, Rice in Baseball, UTEP in basketball and having the the opportunitiy for Tech fans to see Tech play in DFW (vs UNT) is overall good thing for Tech athletics

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

clt says thanks, we were curious about appy’s thoughts on this issue

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

clt says thanks, we were curious about appy’s thoughts on this issue

(07-16-2018 06:11 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

clt says thanks, we were curious about appy’s thoughts on this issue

Intelligent as always.

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(07-16-2018 11:55 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  WKYUG, Tech was never in the Sunbelt in Football. Turning down the Sunbelt was definitely one the best decisions Tech admin has made. Playing in the WAC against ranked teams on ESPN versus the regional bottom feeder Sunbelt that never got any exposure much less a top 25 ranking.

Also, when Tech was in the Sunbelt for basketball each team that made the conference tournament had to PAY $50K each to the conference to participate in it. They didn't have revenue sharing, it was debt sharing.

(07-16-2018 11:55 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

Since Tech left the SBC to go to the WAC and since they refused to return to the SBC ...regional was not important to Tech.

Then you even say that the better conference is better than a regional conference. Well you can't have it both ways so which is it.....

regional or better conference?

Below is a 3 year look (2007,2010, 2012 Tech's last year in the WAC) and I dont see any drop off in attendance from playing more regional school. Will a regional conference save a school a few dollars on travel? Yes, but will it put butts in the seats? So far the is no proof showing me it will. You could say the opposite is true.


Utah State 25614
UTSA 23645
Rice* 23228
Navy* 23122
Southern Miss* 22344
No. 20 Hawaii 22135
UNLV* 21850
Idaho 20255
Central Arkansas* 20240
Idaho 19750
Boise State 19199
No. 17 Nevada 18562
New Mexico State 18211
Fresno State 17057
Utah State 16073
San Jose State 13027

When Louisiana Tech joined the WAC, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP were all members. LTU was an independent. They wanted to play the Texas schools. Not long after, the Texas schools and Tulsa bolted for CUSA. LTU was left behind in the WAC. They were quick to join CUSA West when they got the chance. Notice that their most poorly attended games were against the WAC schools. They weren't interested in the Sun Belt because it wasn't considered as competitive a conference, and the geography of CUSA worked.

Since that time, the TV bubble has popped, NCAA basketball credits have disappeared, states have decreased their subsidies to state athletics departments, P5 schools refuse to play in G5 stadiums and basketball arenas, and students are voting down expensive athletics fees.

WKYUG, Tech was never in the Sunbelt in Football. Turning down the Sunbelt was definitely one the best decisions Tech admin has made. Playing in the WAC against ranked teams on ESPN versus the regional bottom feeder Sunbelt that never got any exposure much less a top 25 ranking.


There were numerous Top 25 WAC teams that played in Ruston over the years. Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State.

Many of those WAC games were well attended Boise, Fresno and Hawaii 22k+ and were televised on ESPN. Boise State ranked #5 in the country on Friday Night, a ranked Hawaii team with Mark Kelly, Chip Reiss and Lou Houltz commentating. But once the WAC imploded it was time for Tech to find a new conference

Now WKU has had some good teams and there have been some exciting competitive games with the hilltoppers. But none of the other Sunbelt additions to CUSA are going to move the attendance needle, either because of lack of history, perennial losers or being apart of the Sunbelt which has been the worst football confernce since it's inception

It will take time to build other rivarlies, but playing Southern Miss in Football and Baseball, Rice in Baseball, UTEP in basketball and having the the opportunitiy for Tech fans to see Tech play in DFW (vs UNT) is overall good thing for Tech athletics

The point I was making, Tech had the chance to join a more regional conference. A conference Tech was a member of from 1991 to 2001 but turned it down and joined CUSA. I understand that reason and agree it was the best choice for Tech.

The point is a better conference was viewed as best deal for Tech over a more regional conference. Ourland is arguing that a regional conference is better because of drawing more fans.

Tech's home attendance was higher playing most WAC schools than S. Miss and Rice just a few hour drive. In my opinion Name recognition is more important than region of the school you are playing.

(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

We had good attendance for the Northwestern State game because of the $10,000 fireworks show afterwards.

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

I'm a big advocate of regional scheduling /realignment. I don't know why I used the word 'sad,' other than to try to describe the current state of college athletics. "Sickening" may be a more appropriate adjective to describe it.

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

That's just not going to work for everyone though. Neither UNC, USC nor Wake are major football schools. Schools like say, Georgia State or Georgia Southern, will likely never ever be able to get UGA or GT to come play at their stadium. You can scratch Auburn and Alabama as well. Tennessee, pretty unlikely too. I mean yea you can get the UNC's and Vanderbilts, but no one is going to show up in big numbers to see those teams. You could probably make it work with G5 and FCS anywhere. But then again, you can't really just pick close FCS teams either if you're a middle of the pack G5. IE, if i'm a middle of the pack CUSA/Sunbelt/MAC team, i'm probably not going to want to put JMU, NDSU, New Hampshire, South Dakota State, Kennesaw State, Sam Houston etc on my schedule.

(07-17-2018 06:11 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 10:21 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your point...why is playing regional schools a sad reality? Obviously scheduling regional P5s > G5s > FCS but what's wrong with scheduling to sell tickets?

Conference alignment being what it is for the forseable future, why not prioritize regionalism in OOC scheduling? Again, under the model P5>G5>FCS. App State has done this. We've used creative models to get UNC, USC, and Wake to schedule in Boone. We've scheduled ODU, Marshall, and UNCC to come to Boone. We've filled the remaining holes with ex-SOCON rivals ETSU and Elon. It's not the perfect model but it's worked.

That's just not going to work for everyone though. Neither UNC, USC nor Wake are major football schools. Schools like say, Georgia State or Georgia Southern, will likely never ever be able to get UGA or GT to come play at their stadium. You can scratch Auburn and Alabama as well. Tennessee, pretty unlikely too. I mean yea you can get the UNC's and Vanderbilts, but no one is going to show up in big numbers to see those teams. You could probably make it work with G5 and FCS anywhere. But then again, you can't really just pick close FCS teams either if you're a middle of the pack G5. IE, if i'm a middle of the pack CUSA/Sunbelt/MAC team, i'm probably not going to want to put JMU, NDSU, New Hampshire, South Dakota State, Kennesaw State, Sam Houston etc on my schedule.

clt says you don’t, because of the implication?

(07-16-2018 09:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 11:55 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 06:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

Since Tech left the SBC to go to the WAC and since they refused to return to the SBC ...regional was not important to Tech.

Then you even say that the better conference is better than a regional conference. Well you can't have it both ways so which is it.....

regional or better conference?

Below is a 3 year look (2007,2010, 2012 Tech's last year in the WAC) and I dont see any drop off in attendance from playing more regional school. Will a regional conference save a school a few dollars on travel? Yes, but will it put butts in the seats? So far the is no proof showing me it will. You could say the opposite is true.


Utah State 25614
UTSA 23645
Rice* 23228
Navy* 23122
Southern Miss* 22344
No. 20 Hawaii 22135
UNLV* 21850
Idaho 20255
Central Arkansas* 20240
Idaho 19750
Boise State 19199
No. 17 Nevada 18562
New Mexico State 18211
Fresno State 17057
Utah State 16073
San Jose State 13027

When Louisiana Tech joined the WAC, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP were all members. LTU was an independent. They wanted to play the Texas schools. Not long after, the Texas schools and Tulsa bolted for CUSA. LTU was left behind in the WAC. They were quick to join CUSA West when they got the chance. Notice that their most poorly attended games were against the WAC schools. They weren't interested in the Sun Belt because it wasn't considered as competitive a conference, and the geography of CUSA worked.

Since that time, the TV bubble has popped, NCAA basketball credits have disappeared, states have decreased their subsidies to state athletics departments, P5 schools refuse to play in G5 stadiums and basketball arenas, and students are voting down expensive athletics fees.

WKYUG, Tech was never in the Sunbelt in Football. Turning down the Sunbelt was definitely one the best decisions Tech admin has made. Playing in the WAC against ranked teams on ESPN versus the regional bottom feeder Sunbelt that never got any exposure much less a top 25 ranking.


There were numerous Top 25 WAC teams that played in Ruston over the years. Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah State.

Many of those WAC games were well attended Boise, Fresno and Hawaii 22k+ and were televised on ESPN. Boise State ranked #5 in the country on Friday Night, a ranked Hawaii team with Mark Kelly, Chip Reiss and Lou Houltz commentating. But once the WAC imploded it was time for Tech to find a new conference

Now WKU has had some good teams and there have been some exciting competitive games with the hilltoppers. But none of the other Sunbelt additions to CUSA are going to move the attendance needle, either because of lack of history, perennial losers or being apart of the Sunbelt which has been the worst football confernce since it's inception

It will take time to build other rivarlies, but playing Southern Miss in Football and Baseball, Rice in Baseball, UTEP in basketball and having the the opportunitiy for Tech fans to see Tech play in DFW (vs UNT) is overall good thing for Tech athletics

The point I was making, Tech had the chance to join a more regional conference. A conference Tech was a member of from 1991 to 2001 but turned it down and joined CUSA. I understand that reason and agree it was the best choice for Tech.

The point is a better conference was viewed as best deal for Tech over a more regional conference. Ourland is arguing that a regional conference is better because of drawing more fans.

Tech's home attendance was higher playing most WAC schools than S. Miss and Rice just a few hour drive. In my opinion Name recognition is more important than region of the school you are playing.

I totally agree, the WAC was much better for Tech than the Sunbelt. Now Southern Miss, Rice, UTEP (basketball) has potential also even WKU



Mixing in Southern, NWST, ULL, Grambling every few years is good for local interest

I'm actually happy this thread is derailed...... lol

(07-17-2018 06:11 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  That's just not going to work for everyone though. Neither UNC, USC nor Wake are major football schools. Schools like say, Georgia State or Georgia Southern, will likely never ever be able to get UGA or GT to come play at their stadium. You can scratch Auburn and Alabama as well. Tennessee, pretty unlikely too. I mean yea you can get the UNC's and Vanderbilts, but no one is going to show up in big numbers to see those teams. You could probably make it work with G5 and FCS anywhere. But then again, you can't really just pick close FCS teams either if you're a middle of the pack G5. IE, if i'm a middle of the pack CUSA/Sunbelt/MAC team, i'm probably not going to want to put JMU, NDSU, New Hampshire, South Dakota State, Kennesaw State, Sam Houston etc on my schedule.

Yes and no. South Carolina WANTS to be a football school and under Muschamp they could get back to consistent 9 win seasons. UNC will pop up and have a good season every 3 or 4 years. Wake...will be decent until Dave Clawson leaves for a better job.

All I'm saying is, while both CUSA and Sunbelt occupy the same ridiculous footprint, and while people treat the word bus league like it's a 4 letter word, prioritizing regional scheduling is key for all of us.

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(07-17-2018 11:13 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I'm actually happy this thread is derailed...... lol

I get that. What do think is UAB's max/min?

(07-17-2018 02:02 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 06:11 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  That's just not going to work for everyone though. Neither UNC, USC nor Wake are major football schools. Schools like say, Georgia State or Georgia Southern, will likely never ever be able to get UGA or GT to come play at their stadium. You can scratch Auburn and Alabama as well. Tennessee, pretty unlikely too. I mean yea you can get the UNC's and Vanderbilts, but no one is going to show up in big numbers to see those teams. You could probably make it work with G5 and FCS anywhere. But then again, you can't really just pick close FCS teams either if you're a middle of the pack G5. IE, if i'm a middle of the pack CUSA/Sunbelt/MAC team, i'm probably not going to want to put JMU, NDSU, New Hampshire, South Dakota State, Kennesaw State, Sam Houston etc on my schedule.

Yes and no. South Carolina WANTS to be a football school and under Muschamp they could get back to consistent 9 win seasons. UNC will pop up and have a good season every 3 or 4 years. Wake...will be decent until Dave Clawson leaves for a better job.

All I'm saying is, while both CUSA and Sunbelt occupy the same ridiculous footprint, and while people treat the word bus league like it's a 4 letter word, prioritizing regional scheduling is key for all of us.

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clt says please tapatalk your way back to the appy page.

(07-17-2018 05:47 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says please tapatalk your way back to the appy page.

adorable

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Well in happy UAB news, the Birmingham Civic Center Authority sold the $300M in bonds necessary to finance the stadium construction and downtown arena renovations yesterday. Sale is expected to close August 7th with site work starting before the end of the year. They have hired Populus as the design firm (will be different than the initial renderings).

Stadium is planned to be done by summer 2021 and the arena renovations done by early 2022.