(07-12-2018 12:51 PM)memphisike Wrote: My sources telling me, Memphis Cinncinatt, UCF and Houston
While adding any of the schools Hookem.com profiled in the summer of 2016 as potential new members didn’t move the needle enough for the conference to act, Pac-12 programs are a little more enticing than say, Memphis, Cincinnati and Connecticut. ESPN and Fox reportedly pushed back to Big 12 expansion in 2016 when those schools along with BYU and Houston were being considered. But the conference potentially adding schools in the Southern and Northern California markets — or even the Phoenix television market, could change that.
forgetaboutit. When West Virginia and TCU leave the bI2 for the America it is all over but the shouting. When OK, OKstate go PACing, then IowaSt hooks up with the B10, maybe Baylor moves to the SIC that leaves them as the big 4. Texas, TexasTec, Kansas, and Kansas St will invite all the rest of div1 Texas schools to become the big 32. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
So when are West Virginia and TCU joining the American? I don’t believe I’ve heard that.
I think he's taking memphisike, and Tigerscane anti-psychotic medication or something
Can’t believe this is being discussed again but the only school the B10 Would Consider from B12 is Texas. And it ain’t happening anyway because it’s not time with the current lucrative contracts in place.
The contacts will be based on ala carte revenue on the next round of negotiations. The networks learned that college football, while good, is fairly regional unlike NFL as ratings show. I would be surprised if contracts came in at any more than 60% of what they are now with ala carte incentives based exclusively on viewers.
(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
Do not see Texas going anywhere unless they are allowed to keep Longhorn Network. They know they control everything as long as they remain in Big 12.
Each team got $34.8 million from Big 12 Network last year and Texas also got another $15 million from Longhorn Network. You are looking at close to $50 million.
(07-13-2018 09:01 PM)grapes Wrote: What if Texas and Oklahoma leave, and the Big 12 adds from the PAC..
Will this lead to the MWC losing a team?
Would the PAC ever explore that option?
I've heard that Arizona and Arizona State are two teams that are disgruntled with the Pac 12.
They could possibly be enticed to leave for the Big 12...and bring instant stability.
The Big 12 would be more stable...because the league has not been able to form their own broadcasting network...because of the Texas Longhorns.
Adding Arizona and Arizona State would allow them to do so..and stay at 10 teams if that is what they wanted to do.
Speaking of Texas...Texas going to either the Big 10, or the SEC would HAVE to give up that network...and I don't think they would do that right now.
It pays them $15 million a season? (Correct me with the right number if I am incorrect...just a number I THINK I remember seeing. I'm okay with being corrected when I am wrong.)
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(07-13-2018 09:01 PM)grapes Wrote: What if Texas and Oklahoma leave, and the Big 12 adds from the PAC..
Will this lead to the MWC losing a team?
Would the PAC ever explore that option?
I've heard that Arizona and Arizona State are two teams that are disgruntled with the Pac 12.
They could possibly be enticed to leave for the Big 12...and bring instant stability.
The Big 12 would be more stable...because the league has not been able to form their own broadcasting network...because of the Texas Longhorns.
Adding Arizona and Arizona State would allow them to do so..and stay at 10 teams if that is what they wanted to do.
Speaking of Texas...Texas going to either the Big 10, or the SEC would HAVE to give up that network...and I don't think they would do that right now.
It pays them $15 million a season? (Correct me with the right number if I am incorrect...just a number I THINK I remember seeing. I'm okay with being corrected when I am wrong.)
And Oklahoma gets $7 million a year for their network.
(07-12-2018 12:51 PM)memphisike Wrote: My sources telling me, Memphis Cinncinatt, UCF and Houston
While adding any of the schools Hookem.com profiled in the summer of 2016 as potential new members didn’t move the needle enough for the conference to act, Pac-12 programs are a little more enticing than say, Memphis, Cincinnati and Connecticut. ESPN and Fox reportedly pushed back to Big 12 expansion in 2016 when those schools along with BYU and Houston were being considered. But the conference potentially adding schools in the Southern and Northern California markets — or even the Phoenix television market, could change that.
forgetaboutit. When West Virginia and TCU leave the bI2 for the America it is all over but the shouting. When OK, OKstate go PACing, then IowaSt hooks up with the B10, maybe Baylor moves to the SIC that leaves them as the big 4. Texas, TexasTec, Kansas, and Kansas St will invite all the rest of div1 Texas schools to become the big 32. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
So when are West Virginia and TCU joining the American? I don’t believe I’ve heard that.
I think he's taking memphisike, and Tigerscane anti-psychotic medication or something
Y'all are correct WVa and TCU are strictly rumor, it is the AirForce Academy/NotreDame add that are grounded in speculation. Either way I would take all four and become the second highest rated conference in the NCAA right behind Big10.
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(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
B1G just got a new deal which pays similar to Big 12 per team. So they are not getting any benefit any time soon from switching to B1G. Maybe even taking a cut based on how the B1G decides to pay out to new teams.
And it is not the $15 million a year as much as it is being the big dog in the Big 12 to being just another team in B1G. UT runs the Big 12 right now.
(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
The Big 12 and Big 10 saw equal payouts of $34.8 million. Texas sees a $15 million pay out for their network on top of the conference payout. Essentially, they're getting about $50 million per year. Oklahoma is around $42 million - both totals higher than SEC or B1G payouts.
The Big 10 payout was 36.9 million...behind the SEC, but more than the Big 12.
In 2018...the Big 10's new tv deal will see each team get over $50 million per team.
"If you can't read that fine print, the important part: Big Ten distributions are projected to increase from $36.3 million to $51.1 million next year "due mostly to a new conference television agreement." And because this isn't the Longhorn Network but the Big Ten, that means Iowa is also projecting $51.1 million from the conference"
(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
sorry...every time I see you type something...all I can hear is
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(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
The Big 12 and Big 10 saw equal payouts of $34.8 million. Texas sees a $15 million pay out for their network on top of the conference payout. Essentially, they're getting about $50 million per year. Oklahoma is around $42 million - both totals higher than SEC or B1G payouts.
You are way off on your numbers. Big 10 distributed $51M per school in 2018. That is just the Fox/ESPN deal. Does not include any Tier 3 money like Texas with the LHN. Big 10 and SEC far exceed the Big 12, and the disparity is growing.
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(07-13-2018 08:22 PM)memphisike Wrote: A good source told me Texas and Oklahoma leaving
Sec and BIG being mentioned
If you guys think Texas would pass up an invite to B10 over $15 a year (and I believe B10 would get a huge increase in their TV contacts) you are most likely wrong. That’s a drop in the Bucket to them and they are also looking at academics which B10 would help somewhat. That’s beyond me but that’s what is said.
The Big 12 and Big 10 saw equal payouts of $34.8 million. Texas sees a $15 million pay out for their network on top of the conference payout. Essentially, they're getting about $50 million per year. Oklahoma is around $42 million - both totals higher than SEC or B1G payouts.
You are way off on your numbers. Big 10 distributed $51M per school in 2018. That is just the Fox/ESPN deal. Does not include any Tier 3 money like Texas with the LHN. Big 10 and SEC far exceed the Big 12, and the disparity is growing.
I believe that is based on the new deal that goes into effect this year correct?
"The Big Ten continues to roll in gigantic piles of money. Details on the Big Ten revenue distribution for the past year were uncovered from a budget spreadsheet from the Michigan Board of Regents, in which it was revealed Michigan received a revenue distribution of $51 million from the Big Ten for the past fiscal year.
It is currently projected the Big Ten distributions will rise to $52 million for the next year . . ."
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"The Big Ten continues to roll in gigantic piles of money. Details on the Big Ten revenue distribution for the past year were uncovered from a budget spreadsheet from the Michigan Board of Regents, in which it was revealed Michigan received a revenue distribution of $51 million from the Big Ten for the past fiscal year.
It is currently projected the Big Ten distributions will rise to $52 million for the next year . . ."
If Texas is already netting in that ballpark now, what's the incentive of leaving and giving up its own network?
"The Big Ten continues to roll in gigantic piles of money. Details on the Big Ten revenue distribution for the past year were uncovered from a budget spreadsheet from the Michigan Board of Regents, in which it was revealed Michigan received a revenue distribution of $51 million from the Big Ten for the past fiscal year.
It is currently projected the Big Ten distributions will rise to $52 million for the next year . . ."
If Texas is already netting in that ballpark now, what's the incentive of leaving and giving up its own network?
Good question. Just as when we discussed Big 12 expansion 2 years ago, Texas is unique and unpredictable. UT will do what they want to do, and not care about what its conferences peers think. I lived in Austin for 4 years starting in '97, UT fans are a different breed.
So $215M, and those #'s are a year old. So the $35M from the Big 12 is a small fraction, around 16%, of their total revenues.
Texas is tired of sharing equally conference TV revenues with programs like Iowa State and Kansas State and Baylor and Tech and West Virginia whose TV revenues would be around Memphis' level if Texas and Oklahoma weren't in the Big 12. I think they act on that when the Big 12 TV contract expires after the '24-'25 season.
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"The Big Ten continues to roll in gigantic piles of money. Details on the Big Ten revenue distribution for the past year were uncovered from a budget spreadsheet from the Michigan Board of Regents, in which it was revealed Michigan received a revenue distribution of $51 million from the Big Ten for the past fiscal year.
It is currently projected the Big Ten distributions will rise to $52 million for the next year . . ."
If Texas is already netting in that ballpark now, what's the incentive of leaving and giving up its own network?
Good question. Just as when we discussed Big 12 expansion 2 years ago, Texas is unique and unpredictable. UT will do what they want to do, and not care about what its conferences peers think. I lived in Austin for 4 years starting in '97, UT fans are a different breed.
So $215M, and those #'s are a year old. So the $35M from the Big 12 is a small fraction, around 16%, of their total revenues.
Texas is tired of sharing equally conference TV revenues with programs like Iowa State and Kansas State and Baylor and Tech and West Virginia whose TV revenues would be around Memphis' level if Texas and Oklahoma weren't in the Big 12. I think they act on that when the Big 12 TV contract expires after the '24-'25 season.
Agree but you know nothing is set in stone as well as I. If Texas decided today to move to B10 starting with 19-20 season, the TV contract would be renegotiated accordingly. And I have the maxium Directv package and the Longhorn network is not on my package as far as I can tell. I think it will go away when that contact expires.
After all, they are not a national brand like Notre Dame.
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THAT rumor again
