(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:08 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Also had a transfer that averaged 10ppg 4apg 2spg for Oregon. Obviously a big time add, known quantity. Van Fleet was a much higher touted recruit as well than any he has this year. 125th on Rivals. I think there is a lot more variance after you get past 150ish.

VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

Respectfully, your post is not an accurate interpretation of my post.

WSU lost the same number of conference games last year (4) as it did in the last four years in the MVC (Source). Either the teams in the AAC are more talented than the MVC teams or Marshall was out coached. I think the former is the cause.

I am not denigrating WSU, but drawing a logical conclusion based on the facts.

(06-14-2018 09:33 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

Respectfully, your post is not an accurate interpretation of my post.

WSU lost the same number of conference games last year (4) as it did in the last four years in the MVC (Source). Either the teams in the AAC are more talented than the MVC teams or Marshall was out coached. I think the former is the cause.

I am not denigrating WSU, but drawing a logical conclusion based on the facts.

IMO Marshall's coaching abilities will be tested this year. He lost his best players if i am not mistaken and is still expected to be in the top 4-in the league that has its 2 of its 3 powers coming back to life. Marshall didn't have to worry about that in the MVC. He got the best players every year for the most part. He coul out recruit his conference with ease...But in the AAC He will have to reload while other teams in AAC are reloading with equal or better players. I am interested on how he will handle it. Now in the future he will have to do that same thing with a Memphis that looks like Memphis and a UConn that looks like UConn battling for the same or better recruits. The road only gets harder for him it seems.

(06-14-2018 09:43 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:33 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

Respectfully, your post is not an accurate interpretation of my post.

WSU lost the same number of conference games last year (4) as it did in the last four years in the MVC (Source). Either the teams in the AAC are more talented than the MVC teams or Marshall was out coached. I think the former is the cause.

I am not denigrating WSU, but drawing a logical conclusion based on the facts.

IMO Marshall's coaching abilities will be tested this year. He lost his best players if i am not mistaken and is still expected to be in the top half of the league that has its 2 of its 3 powers coming back to life. Marshall didnt' have to worry about that in the MVC. He got the best players every year for the most part. He will have to reload while other teams in AAC are reloading with equal or better players. I am interested on how he will handle it. Now in the future will have to do that same thing with a Memphis that looks like Memphis and a UConn that looks like UConn battling for the same or better recruits. The road only gets harder for him it seems.

I agree. But we’ve always known that competing in this league would be much more difficult than competing in the MVC. It’s not just what the fans and university wanted, it’s what Marshall wanted too. I don’t think he’d be in favor of a challenge he didn’t feel up for. Time will tell.

(06-14-2018 01:17 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:  I hate that we only play Temple in Philly. Just like in 2015-16 when that same scheduling eff-up kept us from winning the AAC championship three straight years. But whatever, just roll the ball out and let’s play.

I really missed that game last year. The folks in Temple’s ticket office hook me up every year for the SMU game and then follow up with a phone call afterwards to make sure I had a good time. #noreseat

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:08 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Also had a transfer that averaged 10ppg 4apg 2spg for Oregon. Obviously a big time add, known quantity. Van Fleet was a much higher touted recruit as well than any he has this year. 125th on Rivals. I think there is a lot more variance after you get past 150ish.

VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

(06-15-2018 10:59 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

I expected 3 losses so not far off but the disappointment was in the lack of effort on the team's part in both their losses and even some wins. It looked like someone else's team that had never heard the word 'defense'. It was most noticable in the late part of the season so maybe they were tired out by the intensity.. shrugs It seemed more a 'vibe' coming offa them. Marshall knows what to expect now though and I expect this new team to look like Shockers even if young and doing a lot more losing.

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

(06-15-2018 11:35 AM)Windiwu Wrote:  I expected 3 losses so not far off but the disappointment was in the lack of effort on the team's part in both their losses and even some wins. It looked like someone else's team that had never heard the word 'defense'. It was most noticable in the late part of the season so maybe they were tired out by the intensity.. shrugs It seemed more a 'vibe' coming offa them. Marshall knows what to expect now though and I expect this new team to look like Shockers even if young and doing a lot more losing.

I didn't know you guys got Torres from JUCO's, he didn't show up on 247 and he sounds good enough that he changes my perception some especially if McDuffie comes back as strong as he was as a sophmore

So these are your likely starters with some freshman as the 5th starter and the rest of the freshman making up most of the rotation I guess. It didn't seem like any of the other bench warmers on last years team were good enough to pencil in.

C Echenique 6-10....(9ppg 6rpg in JUCO)
F McDuffie 6-8....8.5ppg 3.1rpg (15.1 PER)
G Haynes-Jones 6-0....5.3ppg (14.7 PER)
G Torres 6-3......(17ppg 8apg 43% three's in JUCO)

Still some big questions but Torres does look like an immediate factor and changes a lot.

(06-15-2018 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

247 is terrible with JUCO's and Transfers which are becoming a bigger and bigger part of today's recruiting landscape.

(06-15-2018 12:49 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 11:35 AM)Windiwu Wrote:  I expected 3 losses so not far off but the disappointment was in the lack of effort on the team's part in both their losses and even some wins. It looked like someone else's team that had never heard the word 'defense'. It was most noticable in the late part of the season so maybe they were tired out by the intensity.. shrugs It seemed more a 'vibe' coming offa them. Marshall knows what to expect now though and I expect this new team to look like Shockers even if young and doing a lot more losing.

I didn't know you guys got Torres from JUCO's, he didn't show up on 247 and he sounds good enough that he changes my perception some especially if McDuffie comes back as strong as he was as a sophmore

So these are your likely starters with some freshman as the 5th starter and the rest of the freshman making up most of the rotation I guess. It didn't seem like any of the other bench warmers on last years team were good enough to pencil in.

C Echenique 6-10....(9ppg 6rpg in JUCO)
F McDuffie 6-8....8.5ppg 3.1rpg (15.1 PER)
G Haynes-Jones 6-0....5.3ppg (14.7 PER)
G Torres 6-3......(17ppg 8apg 43% three's in JUCO)

Still some big questions but Torres does look like an immediate factor and changes a lot.

I'd expect Rod Brown to play a part, he redshirted this year. As far as other "bench warmers", that really only leaves Asbjorn Midtgaard. He's 7 foot and 280 lbs. So he's got a leg up in just sheer size. I think he will be a spot contributor this year.

(06-15-2018 01:09 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

247 is terrible with JUCO's and Transfers which are becoming a bigger and bigger part of today's recruiting landscape.

Agreed, 247 is great for HS kids. Anyone outside of HS (prep, JUCO, transfer) is really missed by them.

(06-15-2018 01:09 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

247 is terrible with JUCO's and Transfers which are becoming a bigger and bigger part of today's recruiting landscape.

I think JUCO talent and recruiting as a whole is the worst it's ever been. It's certainly not what it was 20 years ago with all the prep schools of today that divert the high end talent away form JUCO's and get them qualified.

Your point is fair but there really isn't a good site for either of them, especially that ranks transfers which are probably as important as the top 50 freshman at that point with actual proven big time talent moving every year. I know of no such site other than Verbal commits and they only just list the name and the schools they are moving from and too.

You have to search that information out on your own about transfers and as a whole the JUCO's of today aren't really worth tracking beyond a handful. I think you have to do that leg work yourself by looking at their stats and the quality of team they played for to get a feel of what you expect from them.

(06-15-2018 10:59 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Marshall is the xfactor. Any other team with the same roster and I would be much more willing to write them off at this point. He's such a great coach maybe he gets it done with the x&o's or has recruited diamonds in the rough. Certainly possible just still have to view it with some skepticism though IMO.

Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

What evidence of Shocker fan overconfidence at this time last year other than to read the posts? Undefeated, Conference champs, Final Four..... heck some Shockerdoodle had your bench beating teams that beat you.

That was last season. I do expect expectations to be tamped down a bit as much for the silly boasting last year as the lack of known producers this year.

(06-15-2018 02:13 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:59 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:58 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Agree, Marshall has proven to be the exception to the rule that talent level matters more than coaching ability. Nevertheless, as WSU discovered last season in the AAC, winning games is harder when faced with talented teams on a more regular basis.

We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

What evidence of Shocker fan overconfidence at this time last year other than to read the posts? Undefeated, Conference champs, Final Four..... heck some Shockerdoodle had your bench beating teams that beat you.

That was last season. I do expect expectations to be tamped down a bit as much for the silly boasting last year as the lack of known producers this year.

Ok so a poster or two picked WSU to win the NBA title.

Unfortunately for you, my point still stands.

(06-15-2018 01:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 01:09 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

247 is terrible with JUCO's and Transfers which are becoming a bigger and bigger part of today's recruiting landscape.

I think JUCO talent and recruiting as a whole is the worst it's ever been. It's certainly not what it was 20 years ago with all the prep schools of today that divert the high end talent away form JUCO's and get them qualified.

Your point is fair but there really isn't a good site for either of them, especially that ranks transfers which are probably as important as the top 50 freshman at that point with actual proven big time talent moving every year. I know of no such site other than Verbal commits and they only just list the name and the schools they are moving from and too.

You have to search that information out on your own about transfers and as a whole the JUCO's of today aren't really worth tracking beyond a handful. I think you have to do that leg work yourself by looking at their stats and the quality of team they played for to get a feel of what you expect from them.

At least rivals gives kids new pages. We have two guys who came from D1's then sat out of play while they attended Junior Colleges, and they don't even have profiles on 247. We two more who played in JUCO last season (one was a RS D1 transfer to JUCO) and another was a JUCO freshman and honorable mention NJCAA All American. Neither of those guys are on our profile either.

All in all, we'll have 4 JUCO's and a transfer (sitting out from WMU) and none are listed on 247. It looks like we don't even have a commitment this year. You would think that might catch someone's eye over on 247's recruiting info team.

Tulsa's newcomers:
RS SO: Chris Barnes 6-3 (from UTEP). Guard who played limited minutes for UTEP, partially due to injury. He's an unknown from over in Las Angeles. Just got done playing in the Drew League. Not much is known. Sat out last season.

RS SO: Zeke Moore 6-5 (from SLU). Wing who Avg'd 5 / 2 / 1 for SLU while playing 20 mpg and shooting .391 from 3. Sat out last season

RS SO: Peter Hewitt 6-10 (from UC-Dav). Redshirted at UC-Dav. Avg'd 10 ppg + 9 rbds @ Las Positas College in California.

SO: Simon Falokun 6-8. Avg'd 15 ppg + 10 rbds as a freshman @ Dawson CC. Honorable Mention NJCAA AA.

RS SO: Jeriah Horne 6-7 . Rivals #122 in HS. Transferred from Nebraska last season and sat out. He'll play this year. Saw limited minutes at Nebraska, but had decent shooting percentages.

(06-15-2018 02:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 01:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 01:09 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:38 PM)AndShock Wrote:  VanVleet is in all likelihood better than anyone we have coming in but it’s interesting that he picked us over Northern Illinois and Kent State. He had some teams come in late but those named were the teams involved when he made his decision. Now the majority of our signees are picking us over P5 schools. Now the question is are the recruiting services that good? Are P5 coaches following Marshall around?

The McDonald AA's have always been pretty obvious but I think basketball recruiting has made a jump in the last 5 years especially with the 100+ guys. 5 years ago it was pretty much rivals, ESPN, and scout as the big players with Rivals being the better at the time.

Today 247 is the major player and I think they do a better job and either of those ever did especially past the top 50 recruits and certainly update more than they ever did. With them and Verbal commits they also have a composite ranking that aggregates all the top sites I think and gives a better overall picture with more information and updates.

247 is terrible with JUCO's and Transfers which are becoming a bigger and bigger part of today's recruiting landscape.

I think JUCO talent and recruiting as a whole is the worst it's ever been. It's certainly not what it was 20 years ago with all the prep schools of today that divert the high end talent away form JUCO's and get them qualified.

Your point is fair but there really isn't a good site for either of them, especially that ranks transfers which are probably as important as the top 50 freshman at that point with actual proven big time talent moving every year. I know of no such site other than Verbal commits and they only just list the name and the schools they are moving from and too.

You have to search that information out on your own about transfers and as a whole the JUCO's of today aren't really worth tracking beyond a handful. I think you have to do that leg work yourself by looking at their stats and the quality of team they played for to get a feel of what you expect from them.

At least rivals gives kids new pages. We have two guys who came from D1's then sat out of play while they attended Junior Colleges, and they don't even have profiles on 247. We two more who played in JUCO last season (one was a RS D1 transfer to JUCO) and another was a JUCO freshman and honorable mention NJCAA All American. Neither of those guys are on our profile either.

All in all, we'll have 4 JUCO's and a transfer (sitting out from WMU) and none are listed on 247. It looks like we don't even have a commitment this year. You would think that might catch someone's eye over on 247's recruiting info team.

Tulsa's newcomers:
RS SO: Chris Barnes 6-3 (from UTEP). Guard who played limited minutes for UTEP, partially due to injury. He's an unknown from over in Las Angeles. Just got done playing in the Drew League. Not much is known. Sat out last season.

RS SO: Zeke Moore 6-5 (from SLU). Wing who Avg'd 5 / 2 / 1 for SLU while playing 20 mpg and shooting .391 from 3. Sat out last season

RS SO: Peter Hewitt 6-10 (from UC-Dav). Redshirted at UC-Dav. Avg'd 10 ppg + 9 rbds @ Las Positas College in California.

SO: Simon Falokun 6-8. Avg'd 15 ppg + 10 rbds as a freshman @ Dawson CC. Honorable Mention NJCAA AA.

RS SO: Jeriah Horne 6-7 . Rivals #122 in HS. Transferred from Nebraska last season and sat out. He'll play this year. Saw limited minutes at Nebraska, but had decent shooting percentages.

Thanks. I saw 24/7 did not show any Tulsa recruits and knew something was amiss.

(06-15-2018 02:17 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 02:13 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:59 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:08 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  We went 14-4 with 3 of our 4 losses coming by 1, 2, and 5 points. I'd say that's pretty good for being newbies in the league.

Was it a step up from the Valley? Of course. No question. But you're making it seem like we went .500 in the league or something.

It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

What evidence of Shocker fan overconfidence at this time last year other than to read the posts? Undefeated, Conference champs, Final Four..... heck some Shockerdoodle had your bench beating teams that beat you.

That was last season. I do expect expectations to be tamped down a bit as much for the silly boasting last year as the lack of known producers this year.

Ok so a poster or two picked WSU to win the NBA title.

Unfortunately for you, my point still stands.

LOL. Understatement of the month. You jokers were insufferable. But I’ll give you guys some credit for admitting it. Memphis gonna take that category this year.

(06-15-2018 05:11 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 02:17 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 02:13 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:59 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:34 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  It surely fell far below the expectations of most WSU folks posting here....
But probably in line with expectations of other school’s fans here.

From 14-4? I doubt it. But if you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to see it.

What evidence of Shocker fan overconfidence at this time last year other than to read the posts? Undefeated, Conference champs, Final Four..... heck some Shockerdoodle had your bench beating teams that beat you.

That was last season. I do expect expectations to be tamped down a bit as much for the silly boasting last year as the lack of known producers this year.

Ok so a poster or two picked WSU to win the NBA title.

Unfortunately for you, my point still stands.

LOL. Understatement of the month. You jokers were insufferable. But I’ll give you guys some credit for admitting it. Memphis gonna take that category this year.

Say wut? Excitement about turning recruiting around from Tubby to Penny doesn't mean we think we're going to go 18-0, like some Wichita fans said last season.

I fully expect UCONN to go 18-0 and win the NBA East this season. We're probably 2 or so years out from beating the Warriors tho...