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(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Problem is, that same scenario has happened every year he's been here.

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Come up with a statistic that says Jones isn't a good coach and hope he agrees with the metrics.

(05-31-2018 03:32 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Come up with a statistic that says Jones isn't a good coach and hope he agrees with the metrics.

"good" is a relative term . I would say that no Top 50 wins in, what, 4 years? and no NCAA bids is a pretty reliable stat so far.

He's not "good" enough to beat W&M or VCU.

But he is "good" enough to pound UMES, Bowling Green, and Charlotte.

We don't want a "good" coach. We want a better coach, one that meets expectations of reasonable fans.

Jones may be a "good" coach, just not "good" enough thus far.

(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Very well said

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Agreed - he is not on the hot seat. It’s debatable whether he should be, but he is most certainly not on the hot seat. I had hoped for a better tenure, but I will say Jones didn’t miss all those FTs and threes against WKU in the CUSA tournament - just like he didn’t hit Freeman’s “shot.”

(05-31-2018 06:31 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Jones didn’t miss all those FTs and threes against WKU in the CUSA tournament - just like he didn’t hit Freeman’s “shot.”

He did, however, tout himself as the guy who knew how to get us back into contention -- complete with weird introductory ads showing him emerging from a smoky silhouette saying "let's get it started."

I have enjoyed every season that JJ has coached for us. But every one of them has ended with me thinking that we coulda/shoulda done better. I am already looking forward to next season, especially if we land another promising journeyman big. But I am fully expecting it to end again in coulda/shoulda fashion.

That's good enough for me. I'm old and easily entertained. But I fully understand why it is not good enough for others.

(05-31-2018 06:58 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:31 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Jones didn’t miss all those FTs and threes against WKU in the CUSA tournament - just like he didn’t hit Freeman’s “shot.”

He did, however, tout himself as the guy who knew how to get us back into contention -- complete with weird introductory ads showing him emerging from a smoky silhouette saying "let's get it started."

I have enjoyed every season that JJ has coached for us. But every one of them has ended with me thinking that we coulda/shoulda done better. I am already looking forward to next season, especially if we land another promising journeyman big. But I am fully expecting it to end again in coulda/shoulda fashion.

That's good enough for me. I'm old and easily entertained. But I fully understand why it is not good enough for others.

Just like Razor has stated. He's good enough to not get fired.

(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

If you think recruits are actually buying that sh.t with zero NCAA births then then honestly wouldn’t be intelligent enough to qualify at odu lol.

(05-31-2018 08:46 AM)monarx Wrote:  I think its fine for an attempt at improving public perception. I just hope the staff and admin aren't sitting back believing that hype and thinking "dang, we're doing a great job", because all of us in the know realize thats not the case... yet.

Precisely correct.

If this is the “best we’ve got”, that’s even sadder than the message we are trying to pass off of being equal to NCAA tourney teams that have been to final 4’s based off of absurd win totals.

Its like comparing a pitcher who won 10 games for the Yankees with a 5 era to a pitcher who won 10 games with the marlins with a 3 era.

Without more meaningful context those numbers mean nothing.

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Which is why Jones was not fired.

He will however be fired after this year when we have a much worse record against a slightly better schedule and with no front court whatsoever.

That will be enough for meaningful, positive change in this stagnant decaying athletic department. Hopefully at the upper levels too (WOOD, I’M LOOKING AT YOU).

(05-31-2018 07:19 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:58 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:31 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Jones didn’t miss all those FTs and threes against WKU in the CUSA tournament - just like he didn’t hit Freeman’s “shot.”

He did, however, tout himself as the guy who knew how to get us back into contention -- complete with weird introductory ads showing him emerging from a smoky silhouette saying "let's get it started."

I have enjoyed every season that JJ has coached for us. But every one of them has ended with me thinking that we coulda/shoulda done better. I am already looking forward to next season, especially if we land another promising journeyman big. But I am fully expecting it to end again in coulda/shoulda fashion.

That's good enough for me. I'm old and easily entertained. But I fully understand why it is not good enough for others.

Just like Razor has stated. He's good enough to not get fired.

Worst nightmare has been realized and it’s sad that some of our “fanbase” cannot seem to figure out how dangerous this is.

He’s basically Tony shaver.

(05-31-2018 06:58 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:31 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Jones didn’t miss all those FTs and threes against WKU in the CUSA tournament - just like he didn’t hit Freeman’s “shot.”

He did, however, tout himself as the guy who knew how to get us back into contention -- complete with weird introductory ads showing him emerging from a smoky silhouette saying "let's get it started."

I have enjoyed every season that JJ has coached for us. But every one of them has ended with me thinking that we coulda/shoulda done better. I am already looking forward to next season, especially if we land another promising journeyman big. But I am fully expecting it to end again in coulda/shoulda fashion.

That's good enough for me. I'm old and easily entertained. But I fully understand why it is not good enough for others.

Sums up how I feel as well. I really just want to beat vcu every year.

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Tough question. The thing is Jones has been here 5 years and 2 of them have been among the top 5-10 seasons we’ve had in the lst 3 decades.

If you told me we would find a coach that consistently got into the NCAAS, then cool, but what are the odds of that happening?

We’ve been pretty good over the past 4 years. No tourney sucks, but that isnt the only criteria I judge on. Obciously, if its clear we have little shot of a tourney with a particular coach, its time to move on, but we’ve had 1 recruiting cycle with Jones and we’ve somewhat addressed concerns over playing style. If you read almost any commentary outside of this board, it is positive about Jones.

The biggest question is how do the players feel about Jones. It was very telling to see Nick B defend Jones on ODU’s bball twitter against an antagonist. If the majority of the players support him (and I don’t know the answer to the question), then he has my support. And, if not, they he doesn’t. It’s about the players. And I don’t care what porter thinks, but would love to know how Freeman, Caver, Stiths, Ross, Bacote, Arledge (true Monarchs) feel.

(05-31-2018 08:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Tough question. The thing is Jones has been here 5 years and 2 of them have been among the top 5-10 seasons we’ve had in the lst 3 decades.

If you told me we would find a coach that consistently got into the NCAAS, then cool, but what are the odds of that happening?

We’ve been pretty good over the past 4 years. No tourney sucks, but that isnt the only criteria I judge on. Obciously, if its clear we have little shot of a tourney with a particular coach, its time to move on, but we’ve had 1 recruiting cycle with Jones and we’ve somewhat addressed concerns over playing style. If you read almost any commentary outside of this board, it is positive about Jones.

Agreed - there is an insignificant minority on this site calling for his head. And the unfortunate thing is that minority has made this site less about comradery as Monarch Nation and more about trying to p in your beer.

(05-31-2018 08:40 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Tough question. The thing is Jones has been here 5 years and 2 of them have been among the top 5-10 seasons we’ve had in the lst 3 decades.

If you told me we would find a coach that consistently got into the NCAAS, then cool, but what are the odds of that happening?

We’ve been pretty good over the past 4 years. No tourney sucks, but that isnt the only criteria I judge on. Obciously, if its clear we have little shot of a tourney with a particular coach, its time to move on, but we’ve had 1 recruiting cycle with Jones and we’ve somewhat addressed concerns over playing style. If you read almost any commentary outside of this board, it is positive about Jones.

Agreed - there is an insignificant minority on this site calling for his head. And the unfortunate thing is that minority has made this site less about comradery as Monarch Nation and more about trying to p in your beer.

^ Nailed it

(05-31-2018 08:47 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:40 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Tough question. The thing is Jones has been here 5 years and 2 of them have been among the top 5-10 seasons we’ve had in the lst 3 decades.

If you told me we would find a coach that consistently got into the NCAAS, then cool, but what are the odds of that happening?

We’ve been pretty good over the past 4 years. No tourney sucks, but that isnt the only criteria I judge on. Obciously, if its clear we have little shot of a tourney with a particular coach, its time to move on, but we’ve had 1 recruiting cycle with Jones and we’ve somewhat addressed concerns over playing style. If you read almost any commentary outside of this board, it is positive about Jones.

Agreed - there is an insignificant minority on this site calling for his head. And the unfortunate thing is that minority has made this site less about comradery as Monarch Nation and more about trying to p in your beer.

^ Nailed it

No, he didn’t. If it’s an insignificant minority than our fanbase is even dumber than I thought.

Maybe we don’t deserve better than Jeff jones.

Keep drinking that kool aid........is Jeff related to Jim? Lol

(05-31-2018 08:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:29 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?

Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to agree with us that Jones needs to go? Assuming no violations, etc. How many years would you be willing to go with 25 wins and no NCAAT if you were in charge?

Tough question. The thing is Jones has been here 5 years and 2 of them have been among the top 5-10 seasons we’ve had in the lst 3 decades.

If you told me we would find a coach that consistently got into the NCAAS, then cool, but what are the odds of that happening?

We’ve been pretty good over the past 4 years. No tourney sucks, but that isnt the only criteria I judge on. Obciously, if its clear we have little shot of a tourney with a particular coach, its time to move on, but we’ve had 1 recruiting cycle with Jones and we’ve somewhat addressed concerns over playing style. If you read almost any commentary outside of this board, it is positive about Jones.

So again, how long is long enough? 7 years? 8?

This isn’t the 20th century, if you aren’t improving and moving forward and creating momentum then you are sunk.

It’s going into year 6, we have lost our 2 starting bigs and SG and have replaced them with a oft injured question mark and 2 freshmen in year 6.

I expect a big regression next year, in year 6, which is not something a program with no NCAA births in the last 8 years can tolerate.

I get that you don’t want to make tough decisions, it’s very 2018 of you, but that’s about the only aspect of your thought process that has evolved to the modern age.

No NCAA birth in 6 years and a regression from year 5 to year 6 means it’s time to clean house.

And 2 of the top 5-10 years in the last 30 years? What a complete joke. This is why people stopped taking you seriously.

Maybe top 9-10 and even that would just be going by wins or losses only which we’ve already proven is asinine.

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

It's all about the tournament. How long do we allow racking up wins against cupcakes to be the benchmark for success?

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