(05-27-2018 11:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 09:46 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 09:27 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Every time she puts herself in the news, Trump gets a 5-point bump in the polls.

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Sometimes I honestly wonder whether we're not all being played like puppets, being torn between a masterfully choreographed Clinton-Trump nightmare. It ultimately did not much matter as between the two of them which one prevailed, so long as they could continue to present themselves as an awful choice between two bad choices.

Since I personally find Hillary's screeching so much worse than Trump's incoherence, I guess the lesser evil prevailed. But it's nothing really to celebrate.

By most every indicator out there, Trump's doing an outstanding job. That you find him incoherent is your problem, not the country's.

the measurable metrics are off the chain in the positive category.....

some folks just enjoy rolling about like a piggy....

I've never understood it.....however, more power too dem......

I simply want dems to keep flopping in the slop....

until their party begins to address economics in a rational fashion, they only deserve 'stinky ire' via line 4.....

I refer you to the second-from-bottom quote in your signature. When President Trump stops acting as a dipshite, I'll stop considering him one.

We as a nation are unquestionably better off today than we were 16 months ago. Is that due to the self-proclaimed brilliance of DJT, or just a natural outcome of our nation finally being able to economically breathe now that we are free of the bureaucratic and economic idiocy of the Obama administration?

President Trump certainly gets credit for erasing the Godawful Obama legacy. But I will not wear the MAGA hat until he shows us something more than merely arrogant and random discord.

(05-27-2018 12:44 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 11:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 09:46 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 09:27 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Every time she puts herself in the news, Trump gets a 5-point bump in the polls.

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Sometimes I honestly wonder whether we're not all being played like puppets, being torn between a masterfully choreographed Clinton-Trump nightmare. It ultimately did not much matter as between the two of them which one prevailed, so long as they could continue to present themselves as an awful choice between two bad choices.

Since I personally find Hillary's screeching so much worse than Trump's incoherence, I guess the lesser evil prevailed. But it's nothing really to celebrate.

By most every indicator out there, Trump's doing an outstanding job. That you find him incoherent is your problem, not the country's.

the measurable metrics are off the chain in the positive category.....

some folks just enjoy rolling about like a piggy....

I've never understood it.....however, more power too dem......

I simply want dems to keep flopping in the slop....

until their party begins to address economics in a rational fashion, they only deserve 'stinky ire' via line 4.....

I refer you to the second-from-bottom quote in your signature. When President Trump stops acting as a dipshite, I'll stop considering him one.

We as a nation are unquestionably better off today than we were 16 months ago. Is that due to the self-proclaimed brilliance of DJT, or just a natural outcome of our nation finally being able to economically breathe now that we are free of the bureaucratic and economic idiocy of the Obama administration?

President Trump certainly gets credit for erasing the Godawful Obama legacy. But I will not wear the MAGA hat until he shows us something more than merely arrogant and random discord.

that applies with the following exclusion.....you don't have to enjoy or like one's personality to recognize value....therefore, line 4 in sig does NOT apply....

to view in a visual vacuum is where line 4 applies all day long....

#resultsonlymatter

#USD

#protectcommerce

#MAGA

focusing on personality is for wimps and chumps.....

(05-27-2018 12:44 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  We as a nation are unquestionably better off today than we were 16 months ago. Is that due to the self-proclaimed brilliance of DJT, or just a natural outcome of our nation finally being able to economically breathe now that we are free of the bureaucratic and economic idiocy of the Obama administration?

President Trump certainly gets credit for erasing the Godawful Obama legacy. But I will not wear the MAGA hat until he shows us something more than merely arrogant and random discord.

Bolded part, so what's your *****? He's arrogant and a narcissist? Why does that matter? Would you prefer a Trudeau? I don't get it. Discord? Maybe that's his style? I don't care about style, I care about results and on that front the man is delivering, every day.

Most any politician who makes it to the office of president of the most power nation on earth ends up being arrogant and narcissist to some extent. And these aren't "normal" times for this president, are they? Does anyone think his enemies will play nice if he's nice to them? I think he's shown amazing restraint for the power he actually holds in his tiny hands.

America elected the perfect president for the times. I didn't think the country would do it, but it did. God bless Donald J. Trump.

(05-27-2018 12:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  focusing on personality is for wimps and chumps.....

I voted for (and generously donated to) Mitt Romney in 2012. Personality is clearly well down my list on important attributes.

The only coherent theme to President Trump is an obsessive focus upon himself. His success to date is due solely to the fortuity of his compulsive need to be other-than-Obama -- which has enabled our great nation to start to get back up on its feet. That credit goes to our country. Not (at least not yet) to President Trump.

Unfortunately, like Obama, President Trump and his Amen chorus think that this recent revival springs from his own infallibility. Also like Obama, President Trump will have nothing other than finger-pointing, excuses and distraction to offer when things turn against him.

Wimp and a chump I may be. But I am not willfully blind.

TechRocks, my reply to stinky applies as well to your latest.

We are better off under President Trump. But that's much more a credit to our nation than it is to him.

Unfair? Perhaps. But until he shows me that he knows something more than just tooting his own horn, I'll withhold the applause.

(05-27-2018 01:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  TechRocks, my reply to stinky applies as well to your latest.

We are better off under President Trump. But that's much more a credit to our nation than it is to him.

Unfair? Perhaps. But until he shows me that he knows something more than just tooting his own horn, I'll withhold the applause.

what we're both saying in 'our way', is what more do you want from the pulpit....

why does the id/yin/yang matter in a results driven situation (rhetorical)

A: it doesn't

what matters is having someone at the helm that can drive results......

jfc and hfs at the stupid shite people focus upon.....

(05-27-2018 01:44 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 12:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  focusing on personality is for wimps and chumps.....

I voted for (and generously donated to) Mitt Romney in 2012. Personality is clearly well down my list on important attributes.

The only coherent theme to President Trump is an obsessive focus upon himself. His success to date is due solely to the fortuity of his compulsive need to be other-than-Obama -- which has enabled our great nation to start to get back up on its feet. That credit goes to our country. Not (at least not yet) to President Trump.

Unfortunately, like Obama, President Trump and his Amen chorus think that this recent revival springs from his own infallibility. Also like Obama, President Trump will have nothing other than finger-pointing, excuses and distraction to offer when things turn against him.

Wimp and a chump I may be. But I am not willfully blind.

fair enough.....

how he's backed the folks that have been working their entire lives w/o sucking on gov't teat is his biggest threat to the dims and greatest asset to the rest....

this is the value that is misrepresented by the msm.....

I've backed him from day 1 and criticized when req'd....

I've explained (to ad nauseam) why this was the critical element and why hill-lair-liar/bern was the tectonic bubonic plague of the chronic after 8 years of ZERO....

(05-27-2018 01:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  TechRocks, my reply to stinky applies as well to your latest.

We are better off under President Trump. But that's much more a credit to our nation than it is to him.

Unfair? Perhaps. But until he shows me that he knows something more than just tooting his own horn, I'll withhold the applause.

Tooting his own horn didn't get a solid conservative appointed to the Supreme Court.

Tooting his own horn didn't start a move towards bringing meaningful jobs back to the Rust Belt.

Tooting his own horn didn't get N. Korea to the negotiating table.

The US economy hasn't responded to him tooting his own horn.

Tooting his own horn hasn't reduced the number of regulations small businesses face.

Tooting his own horn hasn't reduced business and individual tax burdens.

I think you see where I'm going with this.

Again, after watching 8 years of style over substance and international apology tours, I don't give a rat's ass how abrasive the man is. He's president. Friends and foes alike might as well get used to it because he ain't gonna change and he'll most likely be elected to a second term. At this point, I certainly hope so.

While you're entitled to your opinion, I'm still not seeing why you're whining. Sorry.

Without the electoral college liberals could win every Presidential election just by get out the vote efforts in the 10 largest metro areas. The rural parts of the country would be all but ignored. Yes Hillary won the popular vote but that margin was provided mostly by the LA and San Francisco metro's with a little extra help from NYC. All those years ago the founding fathers knew what they were doing by making the government a representative republic using the electoral college to be certain the presidential election was a nation wide event.

(05-26-2018 11:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Sure, California, New York, and a handful of other NE states should decide the presidental election each year. Certainly what our founding fathers had in mind.

The people of the U.S. should decide the presidential election each year. That's what HRC rightly points out is not happening.

"Think you're tired of hearing the excuses? Try living with it every day. I'm about to shoot myself in the head if I hear one more reason..."

(05-27-2018 02:45 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 11:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Sure, California, New York, and a handful of other NE states should decide the presidental election each year. Certainly what our founding fathers had in mind.

The people of the U.S. should decide the presidential election each year. That's what HRC rightly points out is not happening.

BOTH you and HRC are completely IGNORANT of the way our founding fathers set up our government. It is a representative republic NOT a democracy and it was set up like that intentionally. It is NOT out of date, it functions as intended. If HRC wanted to win in 2017 she shouldn't have taken the month of August off, she also should have spent time in the "heartland" Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, instead of largely ignoring them. The great thing about a representative republic as the US is set up, it's still a national campaign except for the looney left cost and the libtard north-east.

(05-27-2018 02:45 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 11:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Sure, California, New York, and a handful of other NE states should decide the presidental election each year. Certainly what our founding fathers had in mind.

The people of the U.S. should decide the presidential election each year. That's what HRC rightly points out is not happening.

Agree. This is not the United cities of New York Chicago and L A.

The founding fathers loved America. Democrats hate America.

Hillary is a haint.

Stink and Tech, you both are smart and levelheaded posters. Your common misconception, in my view, is attributing to President Trump credit for strengths and achievements that are fundamentally inherent in America.

Are there exceptions? Sure. Full credit goes to President Trump for the Gorsuch nomination. He promised to nominate conservative, Constitutionalist judges, and he's kept that promise. Equally full credit to this president for dispelling the "you didn't build that" nonsense of the Obama cult.

But giving him credit over events that are entirely due to who we are as a nation is wrong. And it falls into the same messiah complex that has infected the left over the past decade.

(05-27-2018 03:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Stink and Tech, you both are smart and levelheaded posters. Your common misconception, in my view, is attributing to President Trump credit for strengths and achievements that are fundamentally inherent in America.

Are there exceptions? Sure. Full credit goes to President Trump for the Gorsuch nomination. He promised to nominate conservative, Constitutionalist judges, and he's kept that promise. Equally full credit to this president for dispelling the "you didn't build that" nonsense of the Obama cult.

But giving him credit over events that are entirely due to who we are as a nation is wrong. And it falls into the same messiah complex that has infected the left over the past decade.

Fine. Then correct my list by telling me which of the things I highlighted have nothing to do with Trump's policies as president.

You don't have to be a political genius to know why Crooked Hillary has no love for the Electoral College vote.

(05-27-2018 03:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Stink and Tech, you both are smart and levelheaded posters. Your common misconception, in my view, is attributing to President Trump credit for strengths and achievements that are fundamentally inherent in America.

Are there exceptions? Sure. Full credit goes to President Trump for the Gorsuch nomination. He promised to nominate conservative, Constitutionalist judges, and he's kept that promise. Equally full credit to this president for dispelling the "you didn't build that" nonsense of the Obama cult.

But giving him credit over events that are entirely due to who we are as a nation is wrong. And it falls into the same messiah complex that has infected the left over the past decade.

When we've had people trying to transform our country into a globalist socialist nightmare, just doing what we should do as a nation is awesome.

The obamastanians lowered the bar that much, hence maga

(05-27-2018 03:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 03:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Stink and Tech, you both are smart and levelheaded posters. Your common misconception, in my view, is attributing to President Trump credit for strengths and achievements that are fundamentally inherent in America.

Are there exceptions? Sure. Full credit goes to President Trump for the Gorsuch nomination. He promised to nominate conservative, Constitutionalist judges, and he's kept that promise. Equally full credit to this president for dispelling the "you didn't build that" nonsense of the Obama cult.

But giving him credit over events that are entirely due to who we are as a nation is wrong. And it falls into the same messiah complex that has infected the left over the past decade.

When we've had people trying to transform our country into a globalist socialist nightmare, just doing what we should do as a nation is awesome.

The obamastanians lowered the bar that much, hence maga

Prior to 2008, being proud of America, showing respect to our flag, and supporting our veterans, law enforcement officers, the rule of law, freedom of speech, religious liberty, the constitution, etc., etc., was not called fascism by those on the left.

19/50 does not mean you win.

(05-27-2018 03:37 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 03:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Stink and Tech, you both are smart and levelheaded posters. Your common misconception, in my view, is attributing to President Trump credit for strengths and achievements that are fundamentally inherent in America.

Are there exceptions? Sure. Full credit goes to President Trump for the Gorsuch nomination. He promised to nominate conservative, Constitutionalist judges, and he's kept that promise. Equally full credit to this president for dispelling the "you didn't build that" nonsense of the Obama cult.

But giving him credit over events that are entirely due to who we are as a nation is wrong. And it falls into the same messiah complex that has infected the left over the past decade.

Fine. Then correct my list by telling me which of the things I highlighted have nothing to do with Trump's policies as president.

1. Jobs back to the rust belt. Correlation does not equal causation. That is primarily a function of the tax cuts, which every one of the other Republican candidates would have achieved -- and probably sooner.

2. North Korea is not yet "at the negotiating table". That may yet happen. And if it does President Trump will claim all the credit. Will he deserve it? I don't know. Name-calling ("Little Rocket Man") seems like a pretty weak basis for running diplomacy. But I'm really not qualified to say. Are you?

3. U.S. economy. Same as the first response. Also, we'd be doing even better had President Trimp managed to dismantle Obamacare -- something that I believe a more adept president (Walker? Cruz? Rubio?) would have been able to deliver.

4. Reduction of regulations. C'mon. Even the pothead Johnson would have managed that.

5. Taxes. Same as number one.

Please don't overstate my position. I did not say that these things had nothing at all to do with Trump. He's the president, and it's his administration that did them. I am only saying that these developments are not Trump-only. And, given the unnecessary turmoil that constantly surrounds him, it is my opinion that others would have done them better and sooner.