(04-12-2018 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And god forbid they raise ticket prices b/c this board would absolutely blow-up.

They probably should time that with at least a 6-game home schedule!

No matter how you try to justify numbers, JMU is not making $400k+ on a single OCC home game in the next three seasons. Counting EVERYTHING (tickets, parking, novelty sales, concessions ran with fee labor, etc.) you don't even get that much in REVENUE per game.

2014 season: 5 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average $391k in revenue per game, $197k in gameday expenses, $194 profit
2015 season: 6 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average of $364k in revenue per game, $193k in gameday expenses, $171k profit
2016 season: 6 regular season games, 2 playoff games = average of $352k in revenue per game, $190k in gameday expenses, $162k profit

Playoff games bring in less revenue. Parents weekend and Homecoming games bring in more revenue and more expense. Early season OCC probably sit in the middle. Let’s use the average of the last three years and say $175k in profit per home game (excluding the fact that this is higher than the past 2 years).

Play the three possible scenarios played out over the next 4 years.
(1) Go to a FBS each year. Using the next 3 scheduled and last year (ECU) as the amounts, that is average of $445 per season in guarantees (excluding the fact that it is averaging $490 going forward). Take away $50k for travel and that $395k in the pocket per game. 4 year total = $1,480k profit

(2) Go home and home with a strong FCS team. Bring in $175k profit every other year so $350 total and paying travel for two of the years ($50k each year). 4 year total = $250k profit.

(3) Schedule a cupcake every year. $175k profit each year minus whatever we pay the scrubs ($50k?). 4 year total = $500k in profit

(04-12-2018 02:02 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  No matter how you try to justify numbers, JMU is not making $400k+ on a single OCC home game in the next three seasons. Counting EVERYTHING (tickets, parking, novelty sales, concessions ran with fee labor, etc.) you don't even get that much in REVENUE per game.

2014 season: 5 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average $391k in revenue per game, $197k in gameday expenses, $194 profit
2015 season: 6 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average of $364k in revenue per game, $193k in gameday expenses, $171k profit
2016 season: 6 regular season games, 2 playoff games = average of $352k in revenue per game, $190k in gameday expenses, $162k profit

Playoff games bring in less revenue. Parents weekend and Homecoming games bring in more revenue and more expense. Early season OCC probably sit in the middle. Let’s use the average of the last three years and say $175k in profit per home game (excluding the fact that this is higher than the past 2 years).

Play the three possible scenarios played out over the next 4 years.
(1) Go to a FBS each year. Using the next 3 scheduled and last year (ECU) as the amounts, that is average of $445 per season in guarantees (excluding the fact that it is averaging $490 going forward). Take away $50k for travel and that $395k in the pocket per game. 4 year total = $1,480k profit

(2) Go home and home with a strong FCS team. Bring in $175k profit every other year so $350 total and paying travel for two of the years ($50k each year). 4 year total = $250k profit.

(3) Schedule a cupcake every year. $175k profit each year minus whatever we pay the scrubs ($50k?). 4 year total = $500k in profit

You're counting only $50k for travel? And you probably want to bring the band too for that amount. Who are you kidding?

6 home games should be the standard. Screw the FBS game if JMU can stay at home and build on our home field advantage. So long as JMU is FCS, there's no place like home.

Here's another thing the schedule critics will never point out. Outside of MAYBE (big maybe) NDSU, is there another FCS school in the country that will "Wow" fans enough to make sure they show up to it, especially if it isn't scheduled as the home opener?

The answer is no.

We can schedule Northern Iowa, Montana, McNeese State, the Citadel, etc. I promise you, our fans will give no less of a **** to show up to that game than if we were playing St. Francis, Robert Morris or Central Connecticut State. It may draw a couple hundred more people than a typical game in september would.

(04-12-2018 02:19 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 02:02 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  No matter how you try to justify numbers, JMU is not making $400k+ on a single OCC home game in the next three seasons. Counting EVERYTHING (tickets, parking, novelty sales, concessions ran with fee labor, etc.) you don't even get that much in REVENUE per game.

2014 season: 5 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average $391k in revenue per game, $197k in gameday expenses, $194 profit
2015 season: 6 regular season games, 1 playoff game = average of $364k in revenue per game, $193k in gameday expenses, $171k profit
2016 season: 6 regular season games, 2 playoff games = average of $352k in revenue per game, $190k in gameday expenses, $162k profit

Playoff games bring in less revenue. Parents weekend and Homecoming games bring in more revenue and more expense. Early season OCC probably sit in the middle. Let’s use the average of the last three years and say $175k in profit per home game (excluding the fact that this is higher than the past 2 years).

Play the three possible scenarios played out over the next 4 years.
(1) Go to a FBS each year. Using the next 3 scheduled and last year (ECU) as the amounts, that is average of $445 per season in guarantees (excluding the fact that it is averaging $490 going forward). Take away $50k for travel and that $395k in the pocket per game. 4 year total = $1,480k profit

(2) Go home and home with a strong FCS team. Bring in $175k profit every other year so $350 total and paying travel for two of the years ($50k each year). 4 year total = $250k profit.

(3) Schedule a cupcake every year. $175k profit each year minus whatever we pay the scrubs ($50k?). 4 year total = $500k in profit

You're counting only $50k for travel? And you probably want to bring the band too for that amount. Who are you kidding?

6 home games should be the standard. Screw the FBS game if JMU can stay at home and build on our home field advantage. So long as JMU is FCS, there's no place like home.

Who cares what it is? It is net $0 with all the other scenarios as we are either incurring it or paying it to the cupcake. Make it $1k for all I care, the story line doesn't change.

(04-12-2018 01:33 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And god forbid they raise ticket prices b/c this board would absolutely blow-up.

They probably should time that with at least a 6-game home schedule!

Yup, I agree in JMU's position they should almost always have 6 game home schedule.

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:08 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There are really only a few guidelines that I think JMU has to follow to find ourselves arguing if our schedule is an A- or B;
(1) Schedule 6 home games AND NEVER 5 in a 12 game season. If Kevin/JB's job is to get us into the playoffs, guess what helps? Home games.
(2) Don't schedule an away game in a 1-for-1 deal with a team you can beat by 50+ points. It is just embarrassing to even play that away game.
(3) Don't have 3 of the first 4 weeks away. At the least, it should definitely be a rarity and not recur every 5 years. And it certainly shouldn't be due to (2).
(4) Excluding the FBS payday, schedule at least one OOC teams that should finish at least.500 for the season. I understand this is tougher due to ups and downs of programs (I mean, a few loud ones on here screamed ETSU was a quality opponent), but we know what we are getting from CCSU/Robert Morris/Morehead.

I think one of the reasons JMU agreed to the home-home with NSU is JMU wanted to play a game in the 757-tidewater region and this season that is the only time we will be down that way with W&M at home. And let's face Williamsburg is not exact Norfolk-VaBeach either. I am sure JMU would absolutely LOVE to play a road FBS game at ODU....but ODU ain't gonna sign up for that. So what are then the available options to play a game in Tidewater?

-At minimum it should have been a 2 for 1 deal.
-The return should have been scheduled for 2019, a 12 game season, so could still have 6 games at home.
If NSU wouldn't agree to that a few years ago when this deal was made, then other cupcakes could have been easily found for 1 and dones. Thats really screwed up if the powers that be at JMU think playing a game @ NSU is better than having a 6th home game...

(04-12-2018 02:41 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Here's another thing the schedule critics will never point out. Outside of MAYBE (big maybe) NDSU, is there another FCS school in the country that will "Wow" fans enough to make sure they show up to it, especially if it isn't scheduled as the home opener?

The answer is no.

We can schedule Northern Iowa, Montana, McNeese State, the Citadel, etc. I promise you, our fans will give no less of a **** to show up to that game than if we were playing St. Francis, Robert Morris or Central Connecticut State. It may draw a couple hundred more people than a typical game in september would.

Agree 1000%, it would only be a small bump if that.
- Biggest crowds traditionally are:
- Home opener (opponent does not matter)
- Family weekend (opponent does not matter)
- Homecoming (opponent does not matter)

And based on Playoff attendance which has been 'OK' nothing to write home about FCS opponent does not really move the needle that much for the average fan.

(04-12-2018 02:56 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:08 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There are really only a few guidelines that I think JMU has to follow to find ourselves arguing if our schedule is an A- or B;
(1) Schedule 6 home games AND NEVER 5 in a 12 game season. If Kevin/JB's job is to get us into the playoffs, guess what helps? Home games.
(2) Don't schedule an away game in a 1-for-1 deal with a team you can beat by 50+ points. It is just embarrassing to even play that away game.
(3) Don't have 3 of the first 4 weeks away. At the least, it should definitely be a rarity and not recur every 5 years. And it certainly shouldn't be due to (2).
(4) Excluding the FBS payday, schedule at least one OOC teams that should finish at least.500 for the season. I understand this is tougher due to ups and downs of programs (I mean, a few loud ones on here screamed ETSU was a quality opponent), but we know what we are getting from CCSU/Robert Morris/Morehead.

I think one of the reasons JMU agreed to the home-home with NSU is JMU wanted to play a game in the 757-tidewater region and this season that is the only time we will be down that way with W&M at home. And let's face Williamsburg is not exact Norfolk-VaBeach either. I am sure JMU would absolutely LOVE to play a road FBS game at ODU....but ODU ain't gonna sign up for that. So what are then the available options to play a game in Tidewater?

-At minimum it should have been a 2 for 1 deal.
-The return should have been scheduled for 2019, a 12 game season, so could still have 6 games at home.
If NSU wouldn't agree to that a few years ago when this deal was made, then other cupcakes could have been easily found for 1 and dones. Thats really screwed up if the powers that be at JMU think playing a game @ NSU is better than having a 6th home game...

Why, who cares about a 2 for 1 deal with NSU.......the fan base will want to see a different opponent.....3 years of NSU too much.

(04-12-2018 03:02 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 02:56 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:08 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There are really only a few guidelines that I think JMU has to follow to find ourselves arguing if our schedule is an A- or B;
(1) Schedule 6 home games AND NEVER 5 in a 12 game season. If Kevin/JB's job is to get us into the playoffs, guess what helps? Home games.
(2) Don't schedule an away game in a 1-for-1 deal with a team you can beat by 50+ points. It is just embarrassing to even play that away game.
(3) Don't have 3 of the first 4 weeks away. At the least, it should definitely be a rarity and not recur every 5 years. And it certainly shouldn't be due to (2).
(4) Excluding the FBS payday, schedule at least one OOC teams that should finish at least.500 for the season. I understand this is tougher due to ups and downs of programs (I mean, a few loud ones on here screamed ETSU was a quality opponent), but we know what we are getting from CCSU/Robert Morris/Morehead.

I think one of the reasons JMU agreed to the home-home with NSU is JMU wanted to play a game in the 757-tidewater region and this season that is the only time we will be down that way with W&M at home. And let's face Williamsburg is not exact Norfolk-VaBeach either. I am sure JMU would absolutely LOVE to play a road FBS game at ODU....but ODU ain't gonna sign up for that. So what are then the available options to play a game in Tidewater?

-At minimum it should have been a 2 for 1 deal.
-The return should have been scheduled for 2019, a 12 game season, so could still have 6 games at home.
If NSU wouldn't agree to that a few years ago when this deal was made, then other cupcakes could have been easily found for 1 and dones. Thats really screwed up if the powers that be at JMU think playing a game @ NSU is better than having a 6th home game...

Why, who cares about a 2 for 1 deal with NSU.......the fan base will want to see a different opponent.....3 years of NSU too much.

Then it should have been a 1 and done, or the return game in 2019, or no deal. JMU shouldn't have only 5 home games in order to play a game at NSU..

(04-12-2018 03:08 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 03:02 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 02:56 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:58 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:08 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  There are really only a few guidelines that I think JMU has to follow to find ourselves arguing if our schedule is an A- or B;
(1) Schedule 6 home games AND NEVER 5 in a 12 game season. If Kevin/JB's job is to get us into the playoffs, guess what helps? Home games.
(2) Don't schedule an away game in a 1-for-1 deal with a team you can beat by 50+ points. It is just embarrassing to even play that away game.
(3) Don't have 3 of the first 4 weeks away. At the least, it should definitely be a rarity and not recur every 5 years. And it certainly shouldn't be due to (2).
(4) Excluding the FBS payday, schedule at least one OOC teams that should finish at least.500 for the season. I understand this is tougher due to ups and downs of programs (I mean, a few loud ones on here screamed ETSU was a quality opponent), but we know what we are getting from CCSU/Robert Morris/Morehead.

I think one of the reasons JMU agreed to the home-home with NSU is JMU wanted to play a game in the 757-tidewater region and this season that is the only time we will be down that way with W&M at home. And let's face Williamsburg is not exact Norfolk-VaBeach either. I am sure JMU would absolutely LOVE to play a road FBS game at ODU....but ODU ain't gonna sign up for that. So what are then the available options to play a game in Tidewater?

-At minimum it should have been a 2 for 1 deal.
-The return should have been scheduled for 2019, a 12 game season, so could still have 6 games at home.
If NSU wouldn't agree to that a few years ago when this deal was made, then other cupcakes could have been easily found for 1 and dones. Thats really screwed up if the powers that be at JMU think playing a game @ NSU is better than having a 6th home game...

Why, who cares about a 2 for 1 deal with NSU.......the fan base will want to see a different opponent.....3 years of NSU too much.

Then it should have been a 1 and done, or the return game in 2019, or no deal. JMU shouldn't have only 5 home games in order to play a game at NSU..

I think we all agree it should be an exception when JMU does not have 6 home games.

I am probably in the minority but 5 or 6 or 7 home games I could really care less b/c I like going to road games and go to several each year and attend about 8 regular season games per season. I can get to Norfolk in pretty much the same time as Harrisonburg so I don't care.....it is a new stadium that I have never been too, so I am actually kind of looking forward to a new venue. Road games are a different dynamic and so much fun IMO.

ShadyP, I agree, but I like traveling.

I think we’ll have 8 home games this upcoming season. That’ll do. :-)

(04-13-2018 07:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I think we’ll have 8 home games this upcoming season. That’ll do. :-)

I like the way you think.....and I think at least 7.

The OP has all home game kickoff times now added for 2018. Only two games are at 3:30, the traditional linear TV start time.

Oh, here we go. Linear TV crap. Can't it be left as traditional TV? Using two adjectives seems redundant. Yes, Jeff Bourne, it doesn't make you sound any more brilliant.

The NC State game is scheduled for 12pm on ESPNU. How nice of ESPN to find our game worthy enough to put on a linear channel. OP updated.

Richmond game is 3pm, Towson at 4pm

(05-18-2018 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote:  The NC State game is scheduled for 12pm on ESPNU. How nice of ESPN to find our game worthy enough to put on a linear channel. OP updated.

There you go again with the linear..

(05-18-2018 04:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 10:36 AM)Potomac Wrote:  The NC State game is scheduled for 12pm on ESPNU. How nice of ESPN to find our game worthy enough to put on a linear channel. OP updated.

There you go again with the linear..

Thank you, BDK.