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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 04:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If BJ wants a shot at the NBA, and he has the build and athleticism to possibly get a shot, he better not have to play the 4 other than a few minutes here and there.

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BJ isn't playing in the NBA, but the ability to play as a 4 would only help his ability. Many people still assume the "4" is a low post player.

Forget the low post on offense for a second. JJ plays man to man defense almost exclusively. BJ cannot play the 4 in that scheme. He can neither score in the low post nor defend the low post.

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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 12:19 PM)757ODU Wrote:  I guess I wasn't some fan just freaking out...Giles, you need to learn pretty quickly who has the information worth listening to.

Justanodufan is correct. For those of you thinking that Jones is going to be fired...you are wasting your breath. If anything, he is going to get a contract extension. Do I want him gone??? Absolutely. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen. Jeff isn't going anywhere unless the Mitchum family wants him gone.

Quick, someone mail the Mitchum's an envelope full of poop and write Jeff Jones name on it!
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 01:04 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Would you deny that the best mid majors typically are senior laden teams that have kept a core group together for a long time?

Would you deny that JJ has been here going on 6 years and that we have yet to achieve the above?


I haven't analzyed this to be able to tell. In the last 2 years, the game has completely changed and its seems almost impossible to have a team full of good 4 year players at the mid major level.

That is just BS. The good ones do it.

But it's getting harder now. Everyone is dealing with transfers; the good teams are the ones that can get better players coming in than out. No judgement; that's just the way the game is played these days.

That is just not true at the top mid majors. They building a culture, recruiting players that fit that culture, winning a bunch of games, winning games in the tournament, and because of the program and culture that they have built, and because they identify kids who will thrive in that culture, they are not losing players the second they don't get enough minutes or think they can do better elsewhere.

What is JJ's culture? What is it that kids are buying into? What makes them proud of being an ODU basketball player? What type of tradition are the older players handing down to the younger players? You can't just run a basketball clinic and win anymore. You need a brand, you need a culture, you need something for your players to buy into that makes them feel like they are part of something special.

Bingo. There is nothing. Our entire culture under jones is being an also ran and a total inability to show up for big games. This is not even up for debate.

He has zero engagement with the fans and even less engagement with students. He has the personality of soaking wet butter bread except of course when he's screaming at our most talented player to the point he transfers.

But hey, we were really lucky to get him from American, I'm sure TONS of teams were beating down his door lol. 10-20 in the patriot league really starts a bidding war!
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 07:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If BJ wants a shot at the NBA, and he has the build and athleticism to possibly get a shot, he better not have to play the 4 other than a few minutes here and there.

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BJ isn't playing in the NBA, but the ability to play as a 4 would only help his ability. Many people still assume the "4" is a low post player.

Forget the low post on offense for a second. JJ plays man to man defense almost exclusively. BJ cannot play the 4 in that scheme. He can neither score in the low post nor defend the low post.

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He doesn't have to score in the low post to play the "4." Post ups are some of the worst shots in basketball and im fine if JJ eliminates them almost entirely except for rare instances. He also needs to scale back on long jump shots.

What "4s" would he have had nightmares for? Johnson (who killed Porter/Stith), King? (2 inches taller and skinnier)....anyone else?
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:26 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 12:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I haven't analzyed this to be able to tell. In the last 2 years, the game has completely changed and its seems almost impossible to have a team full of good 4 year players at the mid major level.

That is just BS. The good ones do it.

But it's getting harder now. Everyone is dealing with transfers; the good teams are the ones that can get better players coming in than out. No judgement; that's just the way the game is played these days.

...and this is something Jeff Jones has failed to do.

No one said it was easy. That's why the job pays 6 figures. It's one of those jobs where you are judged by results, not effort.

I wouldn't say this is true. We've gotten both Stiths, Porter, Haynes, Freeman, etc. in and have lost Talley, Porter, Mosely...? Im trying to think of any others of signficance that we have lost that come close to the ones that have been brought in.

The stith's only came because we hired their dad. Freeman was already coming. Porter came and left again because of JJ. So it's literally just Haynes who almost transferred last year as well. Oh and kithcart who will be all caa, just ask tmac lol.

Give me a break.
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 03:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 03:39 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 03:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 02:00 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I wouldn't say this is true. We've gotten both Stiths, Porter, Haynes, Freeman, etc. in and have lost Talley, Porter, Mosely...? Im trying to think of any others of signficance that we have lost that come close to the ones that have been brought in.

Point taken. The players bought in (sans Freeman and maybe Porter) aren't world-beaters by any stretch of the imagination, it's just our freshman recruiting has been so awful that anyone replacing them might look good.

The main point is that JJ can't recruit and keep players consistent enough to get us back to the NCAAs. Heading into JJ's 6th season, we may actually get a 4 year player in Caver (God forbid he leaves).

MTSU has had a few players transfer out over the years. Can anyone name them without Google? See the difference? Players like Upshaw and Potts stayed, plus they got superior talent transferring in, not out.

So it's not just the "dealing with transfers", which everyone does. JJ has a record at ODU of recruiting failures (both transfers as well as freshmen). So far, Caver is the only freshman recruit that has proven to be a hit.

Now many leave for different reasons, but having the number come in and out that we have without having a 4 year player is beyond ridiculous. Just off the top of my head, during JJ's tenure.

Ambrose Mosely (BT Recruit - Dismissed, get an NCAA bid with UNCW as a starter.)
Keenan Palmore (BT Recruit - Transfer Out)
Austin Colbert (4* Transfer in, Transfer Out to Hampton. Never played.)
Javonte Douglas (Transfer In, Dismissed)
Zoran Talley (JJ's First Freshman Recruit, Dismissed, goes to Big 10)
Peyten Pervier (Transfer In, Dismissed)
Travis Fields (Transfer Out, gets and NCAA Bid with Radford)
Trey Porter (Transfer In, Transfer Out, likely to Big 10)
Michael Hueitt, Jr. (Transfer Out)

There are probably more, but you can see the problem (Did Kah graduate, or just disappear? Who knows?). Every team loses players for lack of playing time, etc. But there are a lot of dismissals, so either JJ is too strict (as some have suggested, though I'm not buying it), or JJ and staff are poor judges of character. I don't know the deal with Michael Hueitt (some has suggested lack of work ethic), but I have a hard time fathoming how there is no place on JJ's squad for a 47% 3 point shooter (especially since we are averaging around 50 ppg in our CUSA Tournament losses.

There are a lot of misses in JJ's recruiting, and very few hits so far, and those misses are magnified every time we lose a Porter or a Hueitt (something MTSU doesn't seem to do).

That needs to change.

Edit: Batten. Another one.

Again, I have no problem with the recruiting criticism. I think it started out bad and has gotten much better in the last 3 years. There is only 1 possible guy that could have played 4 years as a freshman and graduated, that doesn't seem like a great point to harp on.

Jones clearly went to the transfer/JUCO well from the start to try to win in a quick timeframe (which worked, but not to the level of an NCAA tourney team, but close). Some of them worked out (Freeman, Arledge, Haynes, Porter, Stith(2)), some did not (Pervier, Kah, Douglas, Colbert). Batten graduated and left; (and Palmore left) not unexpected given a change in coaches. Mosely/Talley were dismissed (only Talley was JJs recruit). Fields was a walk on that left, no real issue there.

The fact of the matter is there is going to be significant turnover nowadays. It is almost impossible to avoid it under the current rules. There aren't any teams that can survive the way Blaine developed players over a number of years. Look at schools like Robert Morris that bring on nowbodies, turn them into starts, and watch them transfer as soon as the player can. There are probably some teams that can consistently keep players, but I don't think that number is very high. The turnover is certainly not ideal, but Jones is going to be judged on how he reacts to the current atmosphere in college baskets. If he can replace Porter, the team will be really good; if he doesn't, then he may be on the hotseat. Him and the staff certainly understand the issues.

He really needs to replace both Porter and Stith up front. Aaron Carver is a nice kid and all, but if he's starting, we're sunk.

Ideally, they would replace both. I do think BJ could give a lot of minutes at the "4" next year if need be.

And this is why no one should take you seriously as a knowledgeable fan.

If BJ gets a lot of minutes as a 4, we will struggle to get to 20 wins even against another pathetic schedule.
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 07:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:51 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If BJ wants a shot at the NBA, and he has the build and athleticism to possibly get a shot, he better not have to play the 4 other than a few minutes here and there.

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BJ isn't playing in the NBA, but the ability to play as a 4 would only help his ability. Many people still assume the "4" is a low post player.

Forget the low post on offense for a second. JJ plays man to man defense almost exclusively. BJ cannot play the 4 in that scheme. He can neither score in the low post nor defend the low post.

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But he can sort of shoot 3's sometimes!!!
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(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!
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(04-09-2018 09:07 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!

And I find you to be consistently one of the least informed posters on the board.

We all have our opinions.
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(04-09-2018 09:07 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!


JJMonarch is the best damn fan on these message boards. I don’t care who you are or what you say. This man donates his money and time to the monarch basketball program rain or shine. We could all learn a thing or two from him about being a real fan. Nobody is more frustrated than him the team hasn’t been to the NCAAs, but he continues to show his support. It’s unwavering. He’s a great ambassador of the program and the university. Im not sure why he wastes his time on here, honestly.
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(04-09-2018 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Johnson hurt ODU from the outside much worse than inside because he had a slow big guy trying to guard him on the perimeter. Same with Nick King. But, when the put the smaller, more athletic Carver (prolly 6-5 220) in; both had much more difficulties scoring. Besides, there are many very good post up players in college basketball and even less of them play "power forward." The ones that can do both are great players that likely aren't playing too many games vs. CUSA schools.

You don't have to shoot a bunch of 3s to play BJ (or others) at the 4. It spreads out the court for other things as well. And a player that only shoots 3 wasn't one of the best players on the team as a true freshman.

"One of the best players on the team as a true freshman" (your comment), and "his best young 3 point shooter" (my comment) are not one and the same thing Giles. I didn't even remotely make the point that you are mysteriously replying to.

Justin Johnson just became a significant 3 point shooter this season. He was also a very good player in the years prior to this one. During Johnson's Sophomore and Junior years he was mostly guarded by one of ODU's all time best defenders at the 4 position (Denzel Taylor), who also happens to match up physically better with Johnson than BJ ever could. Over the prior 2 seasons Johnson scored a total of 65 points against ODU over 5 games. Only 12 of those points were scored on 3 point shots - less than (1) 3 pointer per game. If he could score that many against Denzel inside then I'm sure he would have fared much better with BJ guarding him as the opposing 4, and that was my original point about BJ guarding bigger, stronger 4's like Johnson inside. Can't believe that you would feel differently about that hypothetical match-up. Do you honestly think BJ could cover a man like Johnson inside as well or better than Denzel?

You so desperately want Jones to turn ODU into Villanova. Guess what! So does everyone else. Unfortunately, that old saying about having to dance with the girl you brought with you comes to mind. From observation, Jeff is more of a slow dance kind of guy. Villanova is more rock and roll. Jeff will be sitting the dance out till the next slow song starts because that is who he is. He needs a dance partner (players) that dance to his music, not Villanova's.

EDIT: Another thing ... A 4 player that can adequately defend another good sized 4 player inside doesn't have to be "a slow big guy". I know that description fits your argument best, but that's all it does. There is a wide group of players in between the two groups that you seem to want to limit things to with Group (A) being to play a natural small forward (a 3) at the 4 position because he can shoot 3's better, and Group (B) being a "slow big guy" at the 4 position that plays solely inside offensively. Think more of guys like Valdas, Keyon Carter, Arnaud Dahi, etc. as being the kind of guys that ODU wants as a 4 player, at least while Jeff is coaching. I'm optimistic that the freshman coming in from GA might be a good fit at the 4 if he can get learn the system soon enough to play for Jeff this season. Who knows?
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(04-09-2018 10:09 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!


JJMonarch is the best damn fan on these message boards. I don’t care who you are or what you say. This man donates his money and time to the monarch basketball program rain or shine. We could all learn a thing or two from him about being a real fan. Nobody is more frustrated than him the team hasn’t been to the NCAAs, but he continues to show his support. It’s unwavering. He’s a great ambassador of the program and the university. Im not sure why he wastes his time on here, honestly.
First nobody attacked JJ Monarch, to the contrary he injected himself into this discussion. Second, if those fans who are so involved would voice there displeasure that the program is nearing a decade without making the tournament nearly as vehemently as they voice their displeasure with people on a message board questioning the direction of the basketball program, we might finally get a coach who can get us there. Not sure why blind support is considered a virtue. I support the basketball team, and I support the university. That does not mean that I should blindly support the poor leadership that is running the ship that I care so much for aground.

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(04-09-2018 10:09 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!


JJMonarch is the best damn fan on these message boards. I don’t care who you are or what you say. This man donates his money and time to the monarch basketball program rain or shine. We could all learn a thing or two from him about being a real fan. Nobody is more frustrated than him the team hasn’t been to the NCAAs, but he continues to show his support. It’s unwavering. He’s a great ambassador of the program and the university. Im not sure why he wastes his time on here, honestly.

I'm not sure why he'd piss his money away by giving it to wood selig quite honestly.

Some people just don't know any better I guess.
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RE: Michael Hueitt Jr. to transfer from ODU
(04-09-2018 10:52 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 07:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Johnson hurt ODU from the outside much worse than inside because he had a slow big guy trying to guard him on the perimeter. Same with Nick King. But, when the put the smaller, more athletic Carver (prolly 6-5 220) in; both had much more difficulties scoring. Besides, there are many very good post up players in college basketball and even less of them play "power forward." The ones that can do both are great players that likely aren't playing too many games vs. CUSA schools.

You don't have to shoot a bunch of 3s to play BJ (or others) at the 4. It spreads out the court for other things as well. And a player that only shoots 3 wasn't one of the best players on the team as a true freshman.

"One of the best players on the team as a true freshman" (your comment), and "his best young 3 point shooter" (my comment) are not one and the same thing Giles. I didn't even remotely make the point that you are mysteriously replying to.

Justin Johnson just became a significant 3 point shooter this season. He was also a very good player in the years prior to this one. During Johnson's Sophomore and Junior years he was mostly guarded by one of ODU's all time best defenders at the 4 position (Denzel Taylor), who also happens to match up physically better with Johnson than BJ ever could. Over the prior 2 seasons Johnson scored a total of 65 points against ODU over 5 games. Only 12 of those points were scored on 3 point shots - less than (1) 3 pointer per game. If he could score that many against Denzel inside then I'm sure he would have fared much better with BJ guarding him as the opposing 4, and that was my original point about BJ guarding bigger, stronger 4's like Johnson inside. Can't believe that you would feel differently about that hypothetical match-up. Do you honestly think BJ could cover a man like Johnson inside as well or better than Denzel?

You so desperately want Jones to turn ODU into Villanova. Guess what! So does everyone else. Unfortunately, that old saying about having to dance with the girl you brought with you comes to mind. From observation, Jeff is more of a slow dance kind of guy. Villanova is more rock and roll. Jeff will be sitting the dance out till the next slow song starts because that is who he is. He needs a dance partner (players) that dance to his music, not Villanova's.

EDIT: Another thing ... A 4 player that can adequately defend another good sized 4 player inside doesn't have to be "a slow big guy". I know that description fits your argument best, but that's all it does. There is a wide group of players in between the two groups that you seem to want to limit things to with Group (A) being to play a natural small forward (a 3) at the 4 position because he can shoot 3's better, and Group (B) being a "slow big guy" at the 4 position that plays solely inside offensively. Think more of guys like Valdas, Keyon Carter, Arnaud Dahi, etc. as being the kind of guys that ODU wants as a 4 player, at least while Jeff is coaching. I'm optimistic that the freshman coming in from GA might be a good fit at the 4 if he can get learn the system soon enough to play for Jeff this season. Who knows?

He just doesn't get it. Sure, it's worked before elsewhere. With much better players, it could work here. We do not have a good enough roster to play that system and we do not have a good enough coach to win and make the NCAA with that system.

End of story.
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(04-09-2018 11:01 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 10:09 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:11 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:07 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sad thing is that all too many fans (probably not the ones on this board) would call for Wood's head if beer prices in the Big Blue Room went up or they cut the amount of time that the room is available, but couldn't care less if the team ever wins a conference title.

That's a pretty rotten statement to make. Many of our most loyal fans and donors go into the Big Blue Room or the VIP lounge. Most of those fans, if not all, began following the team when the team was enjoying a high rate of success whether it goes back to the 70's, 80's 90's etc. . To infer these fans only care to go to the game to socialize is wrong. It's also wrong to think just because someone chooses not to get caught up in the "hate Jeff Jones" crap that you seem to enjoy spewing, that all these Big Blue attendees are just happy to have a team and a place to go. I don't know you but I can guarantee you I know a lot of those Big Blue Room attendees and the ones I know are as passionate as any other part of our fan base we have. So, you have a right to complain about Jones or any coach we have but it's wrong to try to group some of our most loyal fans into a box because they are not jumping on this board to praise your posts.

Give 'em Hell, Jerry! I agree fully with you. I think the 8-12 people who post hate constantly and repetitively the same thing ad nausem must have no sunshine in their lives!


JJMonarch is the best damn fan on these message boards. I don’t care who you are or what you say. This man donates his money and time to the monarch basketball program rain or shine. We could all learn a thing or two from him about being a real fan. Nobody is more frustrated than him the team hasn’t been to the NCAAs, but he continues to show his support. It’s unwavering. He’s a great ambassador of the program and the university. Im not sure why he wastes his time on here, honestly.
First nobody attacked JJ Monarch, to the contrary he injected himself into this discussion. Second, if those fans who are so involved would voice there displeasure that the program is nearing a decade without making the tournament nearly as vehemently as they voice their displeasure with people on a message board questioning the direction of the basketball program, we might finally get a coach who can get us there. Not sure why blind support is considered a virtue. I support the basketball team, and I support the university. That does not mean that I should blindly support the poor leadership that is running the ship that I care so much for aground.

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Who says we don't voice our displeasure? I choose to not do it hear because frankly I get sick of hearing it. A couple of people on this board try to turn every subject into "let's fire Jeff Jones" . If I wanted to constantly read negative talk about our program I would just go over to the VCU board and start posting about ODU. That would produce about the same results that I get here. And you know what? You did attack me MonarchBlue and you attacked my friends when you make a broad statement that "all to many people" would rather keep the cost of alcohol down as opposed to having a good team. I don't appreciate that remark because it's not true. It's your way of getting in a dig on those here that don't agree with you. You attack people so much you don't even realize it. Thank you Frances and Prideoflion for agreeing with me.
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There are a ton of people that are complaining about the coaches, athletic director, and President in person. The ones that choose to do that are making way more of a difference than the ones that are constantly posting "Fire JJ" rants on a message board.
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I've never been sure what all the postseason '18 fuss is about. If JJ gets us to the NCAA this coming season, we should all be happy. He keeps the job and maybe it's the start of something good. If he doesn't and is let go then we should all be happy because we get a fresh start. It's one more year and if it turns out badly, not that difficult to overcome.
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(04-10-2018 08:02 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I've never been sure what all the postseason '18 fuss is about. If JJ gets us to the NCAA this coming season, we should all be happy. He keeps the job and maybe it's the start of something good. If he doesn't and is let go then we should all be happy because we get a fresh start. It's one more year and if it turns out badly, not that difficult to overcome.

Maybe you mean postseason '19. There is no postseason '18, which is what the fuss is all about. Seeing as we lose our only two legitimate post players, postseason '19 looks pretty grim as well.

But yes, if JJ gets us to the NCAA this coming season, I'll be thrilled. I'm just not sure what you see with the current roster that gives us that hope.
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What I meant, and said badly, I don't get the continued uproar for not making the tourneys after last season. I think we all agree this is it, the last season for him to do it or not. If JJ gets us to the NCAA this coming season, we should all be happy. He keeps the job and maybe it's the start of something good. If he doesn't and is let go then we should all be happy because we get a fresh start. Yes, some think he should be gone now. I don't think that's practical at this point.

I said nothing about having hope because I don't know the eventual makeup of this roster. I'm taking a wait and see. It's foolish to to me to make a prediction at this point without knowing who's here to play.
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(04-10-2018 08:17 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  What I meant, and said badly, I don't get the continued uproar for not making the tourneys after last season. I think we all agree this is it, the last season for him to do it or not. If JJ gets us to the NCAA this coming season, we should all be happy. He keeps the job and maybe it's the start of something good. If he doesn't and is let go then we should all be happy because we get a fresh start. Yes, some think he should be gone now. I don't think that's practical at this point.

I said nothing about having hope because I don't know the eventual makeup of this roster. I'm taking a wait and see. It's foolish to to me to make a prediction at this point without knowing who's here to play.

Gotcha.

JJ has a lot of work to do in the next few weeks. Here's hoping he gets it done.
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