Please. The same fans would still be complaining in every thread on this message board no matter who we schedule in FCS. They’ll still be complaining if we had a G5 schedule too.

Don’t kid yourself trying to say otherwise.

(04-08-2018 12:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 10:04 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 09:27 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I haven’t read the article but will. If it was me scheduling, I would hav3 taken the Uconn game even if the money was light. That’s a game we won win and would improve our playoff stock.

I think it would be wise to do if we had another high paying gig during the season. Playing UConn for $250K and UMD game for $450K seems like it would be acceptable for our fans since UMD is in our backyard.

This whole notion of needing a pay off from an FBS school is just plain silly to me. If we are averaging close to 24k per game, that should be sufficient to warrant not having to schedule an FBS for a $300k pay out. If we can’t make that on a home game, then the finance folks at JMU need to take a look at why.

The CAA isn’t what it use to be. There are many easy conference games now where there did not use to be. JMU needs to reconsider it’s scheduling. Playing crappy schools and winning 80-0 is not entertainment.

On NDSU. We don’t need to schedule them in the regular season. For the foreseeable future, we likely will play them in the championship much like Rowan and Mt. Union did for many years.

The best part of JMUs schedule these days is the playoffs and maybe two CAA games each year.

You and I are definitely on the same page with this. We don't always know which three CAA schools are going to be cupcakes, but there are always three (sometimes four). Usually URI is one of them then two others end up being whipping boys for the Dukes. No reason to schedule more for OOC games. I'm not saying OOC needs to be "NDSU" good, but at least someone who makes the playoffs every few years.

(04-09-2018 12:02 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 12:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 10:04 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 09:27 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I haven’t read the article but will. If it was me scheduling, I would hav3 taken the Uconn game even if the money was light. That’s a game we won win and would improve our playoff stock.

I think it would be wise to do if we had another high paying gig during the season. Playing UConn for $250K and UMD game for $450K seems like it would be acceptable for our fans since UMD is in our backyard.

This whole notion of needing a pay off from an FBS school is just plain silly to me. If we are averaging close to 24k per game, that should be sufficient to warrant not having to schedule an FBS for a $300k pay out. If we can’t make that on a home game, then the finance folks at JMU need to take a look at why.

The CAA isn’t what it use to be. There are many easy conference games now where there did not use to be. JMU needs to reconsider it’s scheduling. Playing crappy schools and winning 80-0 is not entertainment.

On NDSU. We don’t need to schedule them in the regular season. For the foreseeable future, we likely will play them in the championship much like Rowan and Mt. Union did for many years.

The best part of JMUs schedule these days is the playoffs and maybe two CAA games each year.

You and I are definitely on the same page with this. We don't always know which three CAA schools are going to be cupcakes, but there are always three (sometimes four). Usually URI is one of them then two others end up being whipping boys for the Dukes. No reason to schedule more for OOC games. I'm not saying OOC needs to be "NDSU" good, but at least someone who makes the playoffs every few years.

Finishing in the top 3 of the CAA will get us to the playoffs. The notion that OOC scheduling is designed to do that is also plain silly. OOC scheduling should be done to get fans to come to games. The 1A schedule is often pretty boring in early September. Bring in schools we want to see.

I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

(04-08-2018 07:33 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Let’s compare 3 teams:
-# of home games
-home OOC opponents each season going back the last 5 seasons including this year:

Team A
2014: 6 (Incarnate Word, Montana)
2015: 6 (Weber St, N Dakota)
2016: 6 (CSU on ESPN, EWU)
2017: 6 (Miss. Valley St, Robert Morris)
2018: 7 (Cal Poly, N Alabama, UD)

Team B
2014: 6 (Div 2 CMU, S Dakota) (12 game season)
2015: 6 (NDSU, Cal Poly OOC)
2016: 6 (StFU, Miss Valley St)
2017: 6 (Valpo, Savannah St)
2018: 6 (UNI, Drake)

Team C
2014: 5 (StFU) (12 game season)
2015: 6 (Morehead, Lehigh)
2016: 6 (Morehead, CCSU)
2017: 6 (ETSU, NSU)
2018: 5 (Robert Morris)

Think it’s pretty obvious that team A is doing the best job of scheduling home OOC, Team B is doing the 2nd best, and Team C is a distant 3rd..

And it’s pretty obvious who teams A, B, and C are..

Team A (NDSU)
2014: #2 Playoff Seed
2015: #3 Playoff Seed
2016: #1 Playoff Seed
2017: #2 Playoff Seed
2018: TBD

Team B (MONTANA)
2014: Playoff Host
2015: Playoff Host
2016: -------
2017: -------
2018: TBD

Team C (DUUUUUKES)
2014: Playoff Host
2015: #5 playoff seed
2016: #4 playoff seed
2017: #1 playoff seed
2018: TBD

August/September football < November/December football.

“My job is to get us in the playoffs and to schedule accordingly.” -Kevin White, Associate Athletic Director for sports programs (who handles putting together the school’s non-conference football slate).

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Finishing in the top 3 of the CAA will get us to the playoffs. The notion that OOC scheduling is designed to do that is also plain silly. OOC scheduling should be done to get fans to come to games. The 1A schedule is often pretty boring in early September. Bring in schools we want to see.

I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

Finishing top 3 in the CAA gets you into the playoffs... playing Thanksgiving weekend... in front of 13,000 fans... in a spot that JMU has shown is tough to win in consistently.

Finishing undefeated in OOC (regardless of level of play of your opponents) gives you a chance at a seed and a bye week.

You scheduled to make the playoffs. We all know this to be true and I am happy to hear Kevin White admit it.

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

I agree that the UTC scheduling was good but they missed the 2017 playoffs and who knows what state they'll be in by 2019 and 2020. In 2016, they lost in the 2nd round.

I remember them being a perpetual SoCon doormat until App State and GSU both left and then they were finally able to collect a few more conference wins once it was more watered down.

A team could be great when you schedule them and crap when you get around to playing them, and vice versa. There's a decent chance they'll be another cupcake by the time they show up to Harrisonburg in 2020.

(04-09-2018 07:55 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Finishing in the top 3 of the CAA will get us to the playoffs. The notion that OOC scheduling is designed to do that is also plain silly. OOC scheduling should be done to get fans to come to games. The 1A schedule is often pretty boring in early September. Bring in schools we want to see.

I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

Finishing top 3 in the CAA gets you into the playoffs... playing Thanksgiving weekend... in front of 13,000 fans... in a spot that JMU has shown is tough to win in consistently.

Finishing undefeated in OOC (regardless of level of play of your opponents) gives you a chance at a seed and a bye week.

You scheduled to make the playoffs. We all know this to be true and I am happy to hear Kevin White admit it.

I am as well. The same fans complaining about scheduling will just change their tune to complaining about 7-4 and 6-5 seasons without playoff appearances instead. The "hey at least we got to play NDSU and Montana in early september" line won't still be used by Thanksgiving time.

Some interesting regular season game payments:

• ODU will be paid $1.32 million to play Liberty in 2018
• Georgia Southern was paid $1.3m to play Auburn on 9/2/17
• Appalachian State was paid $1.25m to play Georgia on 9/2/17

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

(04-07-2018 04:12 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  We should never schedule a ndsu road game without a return trip to BFS.

No way, no how. Home and home, or see you in the playoffs.

NDSU would have to play at BFS first...I don't trust them to play the return game if JMU goes to NDSU first.

We complain about our budget, yet Liberty could be one of the most under-productive athletic programs in the country. For such a high amount spent, you should expect a lot of success. They are seriously under-performing.
The fact that they have to PAY to bring ODU to play them is hilarious. And over 1 million dollars too! That screams desperation. But they're FBS so I guess they're better than us now haha.

I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

Hartt and Dukeman think money grows on trees at JMU. MONEY EVERYWHERE!!!

i can't believe anyone would entertain the thought of playing at NDSU without a return game.

500k is not program changing money. Not when we can get basically that from any number of FBS programs.

inferior programs take on unbalanced series, be it a 1 for 0 or 2 for 1.

we are not inferior to anyone in FCS. Therefore, we do not need to schedule any 1>0 type deals. Certainly not with the Bizzzzzzon.

let's see them come to BFS. If they won't do that, why should we go there? that's insane.

(04-09-2018 07:55 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Finishing in the top 3 of the CAA will get us to the playoffs. The notion that OOC scheduling is designed to do that is also plain silly. OOC scheduling should be done to get fans to come to games. The 1A schedule is often pretty boring in early September. Bring in schools we want to see.

I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

Finishing top 3 in the CAA gets you into the playoffs... playing Thanksgiving weekend... in front of 13,000 fans... in a spot that JMU has shown is tough to win in consistently.

Finishing undefeated in OOC (regardless of level of play of your opponents) gives you a chance at a seed and a bye week.

You scheduled to make the playoffs. We all know this to be true and I am happy to hear Kevin White admit it.

Amen....I agree was pleased for Kevin White to state the reason for how JMU schedules.

Not sure why it is so hard for folks to comprehend. You are setup in a much better spot to make a deep playoff run when you are a seeded team , the higher the better. It seems to me JMU has a good formula with their scheduling to do just that. And based on consistently being top 5 in attendance numbers among FCS schools, this scheduling philosophy is not hurting JMU ticket sales.

Now if someone chooses to waste their tickets and not go, that is a personal decision.....but JMU's scheduling philosophy is to place JMU in the best position for a playoff berth, NOT a personal wish list of matchups. Also for all that complain about NEC, Patriot, or Pioneer league opponents, when that contract is signed you never know you could be playing a playoff team.

This same fans that always gripe about the scheduling would also be the first ones to gripe about a home thanksgiving weekend game and how they cannot attend OR how the JMU admin dropped the ball on not getting a home playoff game when not seeded with the closed bid process for hosting.

(04-09-2018 11:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

I wish the DNR would do a piece on what we were making ($-wise) when filling the old stadium vs what we make filling the new stadium. I realize we now have the need for more manpower and have larger overhead, but are also now having larger crowds showing up to spend money.

I don't know for certain, but get the feeling from stories I've read in the past, that we are not maximizing revenue per home game. Maybe we need to go back to students running the concessions and the Elks Lodge members handling the ushering.

(04-09-2018 02:51 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

I wish the DNR would do a piece on what we were making ($-wise) when filling the old stadium vs what we make filling the new stadium. I realize we now have the need for more manpower and have larger overhead, but are also now having larger crowds showing up to spend money.

I don't know for certain, but get the feeling from stories I've read in the past, that we are not maximizing revenue per home game. Maybe we need to go back to students running the concessions and the Elks Lodge members handling the ushering.

pretty sure Duke Club revenue has more than doubled since the new stadium has opened.

that is where the real money comes from. not from gameday operations. even if penny pinching.

(04-09-2018 02:57 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 02:51 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

I wish the DNR would do a piece on what we were making ($-wise) when filling the old stadium vs what we make filling the new stadium. I realize we now have the need for more manpower and have larger overhead, but are also now having larger crowds showing up to spend money.

I don't know for certain, but get the feeling from stories I've read in the past, that we are not maximizing revenue per home game. Maybe we need to go back to students running the concessions and the Elks Lodge members handling the ushering.

pretty sure Duke Club revenue has more than doubled since the new stadium has opened.

that is where the real money comes from. not from gameday operations. even if penny pinching.

I realize, and am pleased, that the Duke Club $ has doubled since the stadium renovation. I'm more interested in simple home game day profit. The Duke Club $ will already be in the bank whether we play 5 or 6 home games. I'm curious whether playing the home game, ( of a home and home series w/ a high profile FCS team) could generate the same profit as playing an average payout FBS game. Do we reach a point of diminishing returns with a 7th home game? Would we consider raising the season tix prices to accommodate an extra home game?

(04-09-2018 11:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

Yep. JMU should never have only 5 home games in a season. NDSU (a performance peer) schedules at least 6 home games every year. So does Montana (an attendance peer). And they both only do home and home with other quality I-AA programs, not programs like Norfolk St. NDSU & Montana do both by not scheduling a I-A every season.

(04-09-2018 03:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 02:57 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 02:51 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:43 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  I don't care about OOC cupcakes so long as JMU schedules 6 home games a year. The income of a FBS game isn't really any big deal when compared to the income from a home game, and JMU needs to maximize its stadium and home-field advantage. NDSU has scheduled 6 home games pretty consistently. Montana and Delaware did it too, when they were at the top.

I wish the DNR would do a piece on what we were making ($-wise) when filling the old stadium vs what we make filling the new stadium. I realize we now have the need for more manpower and have larger overhead, but are also now having larger crowds showing up to spend money.

I don't know for certain, but get the feeling from stories I've read in the past, that we are not maximizing revenue per home game. Maybe we need to go back to students running the concessions and the Elks Lodge members handling the ushering.

pretty sure Duke Club revenue has more than doubled since the new stadium has opened.

that is where the real money comes from. not from gameday operations. even if penny pinching.

I realize, and am pleased, that the Duke Club $ has doubled since the stadium renovation. I'm more interested in simple home game day profit. The Duke Club $ will already be in the bank whether we play 5 or 6 home games. I'm curious whether playing the home game, ( of a home and home series w/ a high profile FCS team) could generate the same profit as playing an average payout FBS game. Do we reach a point of diminishing returns with a 7th home game? Would we consider raising the season tix prices to accommodate an extra home game?

Me too. I think the numbers would be close (as long as JMU is at the FCS level), say $200-250k for the home game vs. $400k for the FBS game.
It's a matter of taste I suppose, but I'd rather play a top FCS team at BFS than a FBS game.

(04-09-2018 12:46 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 07:55 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Finishing in the top 3 of the CAA will get us to the playoffs. The notion that OOC scheduling is designed to do that is also plain silly. OOC scheduling should be done to get fans to come to games. The 1A schedule is often pretty boring in early September. Bring in schools we want to see.

I like the Chattanooga game. Give me more of this. FCS playoff teams. Not NDSU but So Con and maybe Youngstown or another MVC school.

Finishing top 3 in the CAA gets you into the playoffs... playing Thanksgiving weekend... in front of 13,000 fans... in a spot that JMU has shown is tough to win in consistently.

Finishing undefeated in OOC (regardless of level of play of your opponents) gives you a chance at a seed and a bye week.

You scheduled to make the playoffs. We all know this to be true and I am happy to hear Kevin White admit it.

Amen....I agree was pleased for Kevin White to state the reason for how JMU schedules.

Not sure why it is so hard for folks to comprehend. You are setup in a much better spot to make a deep playoff run when you are a seeded team , the higher the better. It seems to me JMU has a good formula with their scheduling to do just that. And based on consistently being top 5 in attendance numbers among FCS schools, this scheduling philosophy is not hurting JMU ticket sales.

Now if someone chooses to waste their tickets and not go, that is a personal decision.....but JMU's scheduling philosophy is to place JMU in the best position for a playoff berth, NOT a personal wish list of matchups. Also for all that complain about NEC, Patriot, or Pioneer league opponents, when that contract is signed you never know you could be playing a playoff team.

This same fans that always gripe about the scheduling would also be the first ones to gripe about a home thanksgiving weekend game and how they cannot attend OR how the JMU admin dropped the ball on not getting a home playoff game when not seeded with the closed bid process for hosting.

The problem is a home and home with NSU (and to a lesser extent Lehigh) both of which led to 5 home game seasons. JMU has had only 5 home games 3 times since Bridegforth was expanded (2011, 2014, 2018, one of those a 12 game season to boot) when you see other top I-AA programs that rarely if ever have only 5 home games. If NSU wouldn't do a one and done or 2 for 1, JMU could have just found another NEC/MEAC/Patriot/Pioneer cupcake that would have. And charging full season ticket price for 5/6th of a product.