(04-06-2018 08:45 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The MAC's stability is primarily a function of the number of FBS schools nearby.

The MAC was an Ohio based mid major basketball conference much like the old CAA of the 80's and 90's until the reclassification started in the 70's.

Reclassification watched NIU/EMU/CMU/Ball move up to join an Ohio based conference which eventually became FBS by the early 80's.

The championship game rule and a push to get a national TV package led to the temporary or perm addition of Akron, Marshall, Buffalo, UCF, Temple, UMass. This process culminated in the MAC's signing of a 10 year/100 million dollar TV contract with ESPN after UMass got the boot.

In recent years you are seeing a lot more investment in basketball in the MAC. Higher coaching salaries (now x2 times the MVC average) new basketball facilities going up. Hoops in the MAC is now measured against the G5 like in FB and not the Horizon/Summit/MVC regional leagues anymore.

(04-06-2018 09:50 AM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:45 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The MAC's stability is primarily a function of the number of FBS schools nearby.

Don't like what is going on? Where are you going? Who is like-minded and not in the MAC already that you can join with.

Consider Colorado State and Wyoming. They were in the Skyline/Mountain States together. Ditched it join the WAC, ditched it to join the MWC.

Memphis and Cincinnati? Overlapped shortly in the Mo Valley, charter members of the Metro, formed the Great Midwest, formed CUSA, then eventually landed in Big East/AAC. The number of regionally appropriate schools made that sort of churn possible.

The MAC just doesn't have that.

Agreed plus most of the schools are less than a days drive from one another. Look at the MAC East, you could drive to all of the schools easily for football season, the MAC West isn't much different outside Central to Ball State.

I can drive to 11 of 12 MAC schools and back in a day. That’s entirely why I love the MAC. You can even do Saturday DH’ers. Last year I did Akron/Toledo then drove 1/2 hour for NIU/BGSU in perfect weather. Those kinds of Saturdays are unforgettable.

Unfortunately the horrendous tv deal that lasts half the MAC schedule destroys the appeal of the conference.

(04-06-2018 09:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:45 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The MAC's stability is primarily a function of the number of FBS schools nearby.

The MAC was an Ohio based mid major basketball conference much like the old CAA of the 80's and 90's until the reclassification started in the 70's.

Reclassification watched NIU/EMU/CMU/Ball move up to join an Ohio based conference which eventually became FBS by the early 80's.

The championship game rule and a push to get a national TV package led to the temporary or perm addition of Akron, Marshall, Buffalo, UCF, Temple, UMass. This process culminated in the MAC's signing of a 10 year/100 million dollar TV contract with ESPN after UMass got the boot.

In recent years you are seeing a lot more investment in basketball in the MAC. Higher coaching salaries (now x2 times the MVC average) new basketball facilities going up. Hoops in the MAC is now measured against the G5 like in FB and not the Horizon/Summit/MVC regional leagues anymore.

Not true. I actually track mid major salaries in a spreadsheet and unless my numbers are outdated/inaccurate that isn’t the case at all.

MAC
Buffalo $600k
Ohio $625k
Akron $650k
Kent State $500k
Miami $360k
Toledo $650k
Bowling Green $450k
E Michigan $306k
C Michigan $400k
W Michigan $545k
Ball St $345k
N Illinois $316k

MVC
Valparaiso $378k
Indiana St $296k
Evansville $250k
Loyola $420k
Bradley $700k
Illinois St $550k
S Illinois $360k
Drake $425k
N Iowa $910k
Missouri St $375k

If Porter Moser’s extension is announced for $920k, MVC’s average salary would be higher.

(04-06-2018 04:10 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:32 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 12:53 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 12:04 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  It is in many senses. You would have to have an outstanding season to find a bowl since there isn't any agreements like there is with a conference. You or BYU for that matter, or Army, can not play for the NY6 bowl since it requires a conference champion. Getting home games against any P5 isn't impossible, but definitely harder than it could be. My point is, while you may maintain or stay slightly head above water, the program itself is confined to basically playing with no reward, which in turn hurts recruiting, attendance, building blocks to improve facilities and overall health of the program etc etc, domino effect.

Yeah those are definitely downsides (though I wouldn't call them a death sentence), but from our perspective there isn't really anywhere to go but up. We need to worry about being bowl eligible before we worry about going to a bowl. I don't know why it'd be any easier getting a P5 home game as a member of the MAC as it is as an independent.

There's no question that the MAC's stability could have been great for development. One could make the argument that it might have led to more facility development, although Massachusetts is still attempting to build an IPF despite their independent status.

Then again, MAC teams have struggled with "coaching change collapse". https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

(04-06-2018 12:12 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I would have been fine with Massachusetts and James Madison in the MAC, all sports. But continuing at 13 was awkward. So the MAC made its decision, and Massachusetts made its decision, and here we are.

I do wish that MAC had worked out, adding James Madison would have been fun.

It's easier because you can build a resume a bit easier in a conference instead of scheduling 4-5 body bag games a year. Helps in recruiting, you can sale the chance at a NY6 bowl, or conference related bowls. One thing is connected to another in terms of success, which is why being in conference is better than being indy. You build the recruiting up, winning follows, with a good coach, establish a foothold to consistently being a player in said conference. P5's tend to schedule away games at G5's if they have earned their place in national recognition. How long do you think it took Marshall to get a real P5 to visit Huntington? 2005, Kansas State..Marshall moved back up to 1A status in 97, so it took 8 years of winning to get a series like that. Liberty may be the exception, I predict they may be successful being independent, lots of money to throw around, but they still face the same hurdles than any G5 indy faces in terms of bowls, NY6 etc.

I don't think UMass was credibly selling a New Year's bowl to any of their recruits, MAC or no MAC. I also don't think being in the MAC was going to help UMass get home and homes with Penn State anytime soon either. The scheduling is definitely more work as an indy, but a lot of the "you'll never become a nationally relevant brand!" talk kind of assumes an upside that wasn't there to begin with. I actually get why hearing that they have to join the MAC or CUSA or they'll be stuck having to schedule MAC and CUSA teams as an independent doesn't exactly scare UMass fans.

Lol most teams in the AAC cant get a home and home with Penn state lol ludicrous. And yes, being in a conference gives them access to NY6, western Michigan was just in it a few years ago, so why couldn't UMass have sold that to recruits. You clearly do not understand the effects of such things on recruiting. No one is fighting to acquire UMass, keep talking out your ass.

(04-04-2018 08:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:43 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:38 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  It's not as bad as we make it out to be.

I'm sure it's not but I'm also pretty sure as an ODU fan you would rather have regular conference games with JMU, App St, GA St, and GA Southern than the 4 Texas schools from C-USA.

It's too bad that the warts of the SBC--Coastal Carolina, ULM, UALR, UTA prevent a membership swap.

Warts?

Coastal has had one FBS season. They deserve a bigger sample size before being completely written off.

I'm just looking at stadium size and attendence. Right now they are lacking in both. This can be overlooked or forgiven if you are in a market like Miami, Charlotte or Atlanta but we are talking about Conway, SC. Maybe the Chanticleer's will have some success on the field and build a following but right now they are too much of an unproven intity for programs like MTSU, WKU, Marshall, and ODU to take a chance on as a new conference mate in a climate that favors 10 team leagues.

I suppose if all you're looking at is football, but I hear they've got a pretty fair baseball program, basketball and their Olympic Sports aren't to shabby either. Give em some time. Stadium will be in the low 20k range in a few years, not to mention pretty sharp looking. Besides, who wouldn't want to go to school 10 miles from Myrtle Beach? Thought the WKU folks said they were making the move to CUSA because of basketball.

http://www.goccusports.com/sports/m-foot...17aaa.html

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(04-07-2018 09:01 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 04:10 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:32 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 12:53 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 12:04 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  It is in many senses. You would have to have an outstanding season to find a bowl since there isn't any agreements like there is with a conference. You or BYU for that matter, or Army, can not play for the NY6 bowl since it requires a conference champion. Getting home games against any P5 isn't impossible, but definitely harder than it could be. My point is, while you may maintain or stay slightly head above water, the program itself is confined to basically playing with no reward, which in turn hurts recruiting, attendance, building blocks to improve facilities and overall health of the program etc etc, domino effect.

Yeah those are definitely downsides (though I wouldn't call them a death sentence), but from our perspective there isn't really anywhere to go but up. We need to worry about being bowl eligible before we worry about going to a bowl. I don't know why it'd be any easier getting a P5 home game as a member of the MAC as it is as an independent.

There's no question that the MAC's stability could have been great for development. One could make the argument that it might have led to more facility development, although Massachusetts is still attempting to build an IPF despite their independent status.

Then again, MAC teams have struggled with "coaching change collapse". https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

(04-06-2018 12:12 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I would have been fine with Massachusetts and James Madison in the MAC, all sports. But continuing at 13 was awkward. So the MAC made its decision, and Massachusetts made its decision, and here we are.

I do wish that MAC had worked out, adding James Madison would have been fun.

It's easier because you can build a resume a bit easier in a conference instead of scheduling 4-5 body bag games a year. Helps in recruiting, you can sale the chance at a NY6 bowl, or conference related bowls. One thing is connected to another in terms of success, which is why being in conference is better than being indy. You build the recruiting up, winning follows, with a good coach, establish a foothold to consistently being a player in said conference. P5's tend to schedule away games at G5's if they have earned their place in national recognition. How long do you think it took Marshall to get a real P5 to visit Huntington? 2005, Kansas State..Marshall moved back up to 1A status in 97, so it took 8 years of winning to get a series like that. Liberty may be the exception, I predict they may be successful being independent, lots of money to throw around, but they still face the same hurdles than any G5 indy faces in terms of bowls, NY6 etc.

I don't think UMass was credibly selling a New Year's bowl to any of their recruits, MAC or no MAC. I also don't think being in the MAC was going to help UMass get home and homes with Penn State anytime soon either. The scheduling is definitely more work as an indy, but a lot of the "you'll never become a nationally relevant brand!" talk kind of assumes an upside that wasn't there to begin with. I actually get why hearing that they have to join the MAC or CUSA or they'll be stuck having to schedule MAC and CUSA teams as an independent doesn't exactly scare UMass fans.

Lol most teams in the AAC cant get a home and home with Penn state lol ludicrous. And yes, being in a conference gives them access to NY6, western Michigan was just in it a few years ago, so why couldn't UMass have sold that to recruits. You clearly do not understand the effects of such things on recruiting. No one is fighting to acquire UMass, keep talking out your ass.

Granted your in a conference, but no is fighting to get Maashall. Unfortunately it's not the only thing we have in common. Dame Nascar Bob Marcum, who set both universities back at least a decade. In 1998 when both the MAC and CUSA sent inquires to UMass, Bob had no stones and just road the BB dollars till they were gone. Then insult to injury, hired Lappas on his way out the door.

Hopefully things will turn around in the main revenue sports of Football, BB and hockey. Hockey looks like it's turned the corner and some can say the same about football with the last 6 games, BUT. But if we get blown out by Boston College on Sept 1, it will so bad that I'll not post for days and the effects will damage building attendance. The team is obviously resilient as we started 0-6 and finished strong. BB we'll have to see.

We have one home game in September and finish the month on the road at Ohio. Go MAC, except for Sept 29th.

(04-07-2018 09:48 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 09:01 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 04:10 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:32 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 12:53 PM)McKinney Wrote:  Yeah those are definitely downsides (though I wouldn't call them a death sentence), but from our perspective there isn't really anywhere to go but up. We need to worry about being bowl eligible before we worry about going to a bowl. I don't know why it'd be any easier getting a P5 home game as a member of the MAC as it is as an independent.

There's no question that the MAC's stability could have been great for development. One could make the argument that it might have led to more facility development, although Massachusetts is still attempting to build an IPF despite their independent status.

Then again, MAC teams have struggled with "coaching change collapse". https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster


I do wish that MAC had worked out, adding James Madison would have been fun.

It's easier because you can build a resume a bit easier in a conference instead of scheduling 4-5 body bag games a year. Helps in recruiting, you can sale the chance at a NY6 bowl, or conference related bowls. One thing is connected to another in terms of success, which is why being in conference is better than being indy. You build the recruiting up, winning follows, with a good coach, establish a foothold to consistently being a player in said conference. P5's tend to schedule away games at G5's if they have earned their place in national recognition. How long do you think it took Marshall to get a real P5 to visit Huntington? 2005, Kansas State..Marshall moved back up to 1A status in 97, so it took 8 years of winning to get a series like that. Liberty may be the exception, I predict they may be successful being independent, lots of money to throw around, but they still face the same hurdles than any G5 indy faces in terms of bowls, NY6 etc.

I don't think UMass was credibly selling a New Year's bowl to any of their recruits, MAC or no MAC. I also don't think being in the MAC was going to help UMass get home and homes with Penn State anytime soon either. The scheduling is definitely more work as an indy, but a lot of the "you'll never become a nationally relevant brand!" talk kind of assumes an upside that wasn't there to begin with. I actually get why hearing that they have to join the MAC or CUSA or they'll be stuck having to schedule MAC and CUSA teams as an independent doesn't exactly scare UMass fans.

Lol most teams in the AAC cant get a home and home with Penn state lol ludicrous. And yes, being in a conference gives them access to NY6, western Michigan was just in it a few years ago, so why couldn't UMass have sold that to recruits. You clearly do not understand the effects of such things on recruiting. No one is fighting to acquire UMass, keep talking out your ass.

Granted your in a conference, but no is fighting to get Maashall. Unfortunately it's not the only thing we have in common. Dame Nascar Bob Marcum, who set both universities back at least a decade. In 1998 when both the MAC and CUSA sent inquires to UMass, Bob had no stones and just road the BB dollars till they were gone. Then insult to injury, hired Lappas on his way out the door.

Hopefully things will turn around in the main revenue sports of Football, BB and hockey. Hockey looks like it's turned the corner and some can say the same about football with the last 6 games, BUT. But if we get blown out by Boston College on Sept 1, it will so bad that I'll not post for days and the effects will damage building attendance. The team is obviously resilient as we started 0-6 and finished strong. BB we'll have to see.

We have one home game in September and finish the month on the road at Ohio. Go MAC, except for Sept 29th.

Don't think I even insinuated anyone was fighting for Marshall.....out of the blue comment there. My point still stands about conference membership and the importance under the current structure. CUSA is not a fit for UMass, closest member woulda been Marshall and ODU, the MAC sorta was, the AAC isnt going to call. What's left? The Sunbelt? Worse fit than CUSA. As cool as basketball can be, football supports the athletic department in FBS. There are some exceptions, but they are very few. The best current fit was the MAC, they support the same sports UMass thrives in, like hockey for instance. I can honestly say it was probably not the best decision to turn the MAC down. They are respectable in bball, great in hockey, respectable in football. If the school wants to place all importance on being in the A10, well that doesn't seem to consider the other sports that may generate more revenue.

None of it matters now obviously. Never ever ever bring up Marcum, what a waste of space he was.

(04-07-2018 09:43 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:43 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:38 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm sure it's not but I'm also pretty sure as an ODU fan you would rather have regular conference games with JMU, App St, GA St, and GA Southern than the 4 Texas schools from C-USA.

It's too bad that the warts of the SBC--Coastal Carolina, ULM, UALR, UTA prevent a membership swap.

Warts?

Coastal has had one FBS season. They deserve a bigger sample size before being completely written off.

I'm just looking at stadium size and attendence. Right now they are lacking in both. This can be overlooked or forgiven if you are in a market like Miami, Charlotte or Atlanta but we are talking about Conway, SC. Maybe the Chanticleer's will have some success on the field and build a following but right now they are too much of an unproven intity for programs like MTSU, WKU, Marshall, and ODU to take a chance on as a new conference mate in a climate that favors 10 team leagues.

I suppose if all you're looking at is football, but I hear they've got a pretty fair baseball program, basketball and their Olympic Sports aren't to shabby either. Give em some time. Stadium will be in the low 20k range in a few years, not to mention pretty sharp looking. Besides, who wouldn't want to go to school 10 miles from Myrtle Beach? Thought the WKU folks said they were making the move to CUSA because of basketball.

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Football drives the boat doesnt it? You are actually agreeing with him and don't realize it. CCU needs time to establish a brand, support, attendance and facility improvements, just as you said. CUSA took a huge hit when it gambled on "project" additions. The belt is used to doing that, so there are two different thought processes going on that separates the two leagues. The old guard, or long time fbs schools of CUSA aren't in a hurry to be lumped in with more of what happened during last realignment

Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

HockeyEast is one of the best Hockey conferences in the nations. The A10 has been a multi-bid conference for a long time.

An extra buy game reduces the the dollar gap of not being in a conference. A conference championship and bowl alliance has it's advantages, definitely agree here.

To counter somewhat, we have a great university, campus and #1 dining in the country. Having a head coach, who was in the NFL for many years also helps.

Recruiting is the biggest concern being independent and agree here as well. This year was a little disappointing, but last year was very good.

By looking at our schedule, it seems like the plan is to be independent through 2022. Particularly like our 2019 and 2020 schedules.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...utemen.php

(03-23-2018 09:34 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I feel bad for the MAC. They are quite the outlier in the G5 discussions because they don't seem to have a 'rival' conference.
CUSA/Sunbelt fans diss each other as well as the MW/AAC.

The MAC has nobody and it seems like they don't exist.

Quit spreading nonsense, man

(04-07-2018 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

What is going to drive massive landscape changes in 2023 like we had in the 90's to about 2015 when there was a cambrian explosion of college sports on TV?

One thing I'm noticing is the bet CUSA put on UNT, FAU, FIU is starting to pay off from the FB perspective as they've begun to reach recruiting potential. Is that going to lessen pressure on a CUSA split?

Getting into CUSA I'd think would probably be the move to make for UMASS to help them with South Florida recruiting.

(04-07-2018 05:54 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

What is going to drive massive landscape changes in 2023 like we had in the 90's to about 2015 when there was a cambrian explosion of college sports on TV?

One thing I'm noticing is the bet CUSA put on UNT, FAU, FIU is starting to pay off from the FB perspective as they've begun to reach recruiting potential. Is that going to lessen pressure on a CUSA split?

Getting into CUSA I'd think would probably be the move to make for UMASS to help them with South Florida recruiting.

We recruit nation wide and do well in Florida. Our coached was at University of Miami (Florida) for two seasons. Our AD is on recorded saying that the SunBelt and CUSA do not make much sense. Forgot how it was qualified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Whipple

UMass needs to hang onto its A10 membership as long as possible until an AAC invite is in the bag. And that’s exactly what they’ll do.

(04-07-2018 07:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMass needs to hang onto its A10 membership as long as possible until an AAC invite is in the bag. And that’s exactly what they’ll do.

That sounds like that's the plan.

(04-07-2018 05:54 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

What is going to drive massive landscape changes in 2023 like we had in the 90's to about 2015 when there was a cambrian explosion of college sports on TV?

One thing I'm noticing is the bet CUSA put on UNT, FAU, FIU is starting to pay off from the FB perspective as they've begun to reach recruiting potential. Is that going to lessen pressure on a CUSA split?

Getting into CUSA I'd think would probably be the move to make for UMASS to help them with South Florida recruiting.

Best they could probably do is C-USA football-only and some kind of non-conference agreement for basketball. But if C-USA isn't open to that, well we'll enjoy playing their teams as an independent for the time being. Same offer goes to MAC and Sun Belt too I'm sure.

(04-07-2018 06:58 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 05:54 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

What is going to drive massive landscape changes in 2023 like we had in the 90's to about 2015 when there was a cambrian explosion of college sports on TV?

One thing I'm noticing is the bet CUSA put on UNT, FAU, FIU is starting to pay off from the FB perspective as they've begun to reach recruiting potential. Is that going to lessen pressure on a CUSA split?

Getting into CUSA I'd think would probably be the move to make for UMASS to help them with South Florida recruiting.

We recruit nation wide and do well in Florida. Our coached was at University of Miami (Florida) for two seasons. Our AD is on recorded saying that the SunBelt and CUSA do not make much sense. Forgot how it was qualified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Whipple

But I think to get "really good" at UMass like Top 25 good it will take a Florida base.

CUSA is the most plausible way to get there. AAC will never add another New England school. Regardless of how much UMass stacks up institutionally in the AAC they won't give an invite.

I'd say the real best situation is if ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU were to split from CUSA and form a smaller, more effective conference with some A10 basketball schools. They wouldn't mind UMass FB since they have basically the same level of football.

UCF, Houston, Memphis ect. are just not going to go for it.

(04-07-2018 09:30 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 06:58 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 05:54 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 02:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Beefcake0520, the landscape should be interesting by 2023 and granted being in a conference for football has it's advantages.

What is going to drive massive landscape changes in 2023 like we had in the 90's to about 2015 when there was a cambrian explosion of college sports on TV?

One thing I'm noticing is the bet CUSA put on UNT, FAU, FIU is starting to pay off from the FB perspective as they've begun to reach recruiting potential. Is that going to lessen pressure on a CUSA split?

Getting into CUSA I'd think would probably be the move to make for UMASS to help them with South Florida recruiting.

We recruit nation wide and do well in Florida. Our coached was at University of Miami (Florida) for two seasons. Our AD is on recorded saying that the SunBelt and CUSA do not make much sense. Forgot how it was qualified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Whipple

But I think to get "really good" at UMass like Top 25 good it will take a Florida base.

CUSA is the most plausible way to get there. AAC will never add another New England school. Regardless of how much UMass stacks up institutionally in the AAC they won't give an invite.

I'd say the real best situation is if ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU were to split from CUSA and form a smaller, more effective conference with some A10 basketball schools. They wouldn't mind UMass FB since they have basically the same level of football.

UCF, Houston, Memphis ect. are just not going to go for it.

Conference USA already said no once to football only. Where do some of you come up with this stuff?

(04-07-2018 07:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMass needs to hang onto its A10 membership as long as possible until an AAC invite is in the bag. And that’s exactly what they’ll do.

haha haha that's not happening. The only way that happens is if they lose a ton of schools. Some of you are out there by a mile, make no sense.

Think the next few years are critical. Each year not being bowl eligible heightens the intensity. What I remember reading from our AD is that MWC makes no geographic sense. The same could be said for the Sun Belt and CUSA, but think he might have said no financial sense. We like to get into the AAC and there was no mention of the MAC. But he did say, if he was the AD at the time of the MAC ultimatum, he might have made a different decision.

Know the MAC is good till 2027 so don't think they are in the cards.

The Big 12 will probably make a move by 2023. There will be some reshuffle and if left out of the AAC, perhaps there may be more noise from teams like ODU and others.

Things will get interesting then, but right now, we are just trying to get better. The average teams making the move to FBS takes 6-8 years to become good. Even with our mis steps we are still on track. Last year was the year of could of been with all the close losses and then finishing 4-2. Don't like having 4 out 5 first FBS games being away.

There is going to be so much pressure on September 1 against Boston College. Well be playing a FCS team in week zero so they will have a good look at us and first game for them. Rewind to last year against a weaker team we did not far well under that scenario.

Bit nervous about the BC game and hoping for a good UMass turnout at Chestnut Hill.

(04-08-2018 07:20 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 07:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMass needs to hang onto its A10 membership as long as possible until an AAC invite is in the bag. And that’s exactly what they’ll do.

haha haha that's not happening. The only way that happens is if they lose a ton of schools. Some of you are out there by a mile, make no sense.

As long as they don't lose UConn and Temple, I'm okay with that. Ideally keeping Navy and adding Army would be good too.

(04-08-2018 07:20 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 07:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UMass needs to hang onto its A10 membership as long as possible until an AAC invite is in the bag. And that’s exactly what they’ll do.

haha haha that's not happening. The only way that happens is if they lose a ton of schools. Some of you are out there by a mile, make no sense.

Who’s getting in over UMass next time there’s an opening? UMass is one of about 6-8 schools with a fighting chance as BYU/MW schools probably aren’t happening.