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(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 11:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm just saying, if Evans comes back we are probably a top 15 preseason team and it's not out of the question for a big run to finally happen.

It's funny, but one guy's NBA decision could result in a season that would entirely change this fan bases perception of Cronin

I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

(03-31-2018 03:26 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 11:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm just saying, if Evans comes back we are probably a top 15 preseason team and it's not out of the question for a big run to finally happen.

It's funny, but one guy's NBA decision could result in a season that would entirely change this fan bases perception of Cronin

I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

Those who couldn’t get over the Huggs canning are long gone. Saying all Mick critics are stuck in Huggs is a Cincy media fallacy.

(03-31-2018 04:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:26 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 11:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm just saying, if Evans comes back we are probably a top 15 preseason team and it's not out of the question for a big run to finally happen.

It's funny, but one guy's NBA decision could result in a season that would entirely change this fan bases perception of Cronin

I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

Those who couldn’t get over the Huggs canning are long gone. Saying all Mick critics are stuck in Huggs is a Cincy media fallacy.

Not really!

(03-31-2018 04:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:26 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 11:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm just saying, if Evans comes back we are probably a top 15 preseason team and it's not out of the question for a big run to finally happen.

It's funny, but one guy's NBA decision could result in a season that would entirely change this fan bases perception of Cronin

I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

Those who couldn’t get over the Huggs canning are long gone. Saying all Mick critics are stuck in Huggs is a Cincy media fallacy.

There's a thread on here right now called "Bring Huggins back"

(03-31-2018 06:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 04:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:26 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

Those who couldn’t get over the Huggs canning are long gone. Saying all Mick critics are stuck in Huggs is a Cincy media fallacy.

There's a thread on here right now called "Bring Huggins back"

Ok. One or two individuals. Let’s not paint the picture that most UC fans pine for Huggs return.

(03-31-2018 01:31 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 10:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  UK was up and down.

They won two national titles and played in a couple more final fours. The 90s is probably their best decade in the last 40 years.

OK, thanks for the info. I was probably thinking of the 80s then.

(03-31-2018 06:03 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 04:57 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:26 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I don't agree with them but the anti-Cronin faction has made up their minds and one extended run is not going to change many minds. I'm not sure a Final Four team would sell a lot of them. I think he'd have to put up regular runs to convince most of them.

Wake me up when that one, "extended run" happens.

Pretty consistently the "anti-Cronin" faction has been assumed to be composed of people who never got over the departure of Bob Huggins. And I suppose some of those are around. But there are at least some of us who started out "Mick Fans" who have grown tired of the lack of "deep runs" into the tournament.

"Wait until next year..." I know, I know. Your "deep run," is always just around the corner. It's like a gambler on a bender...the big win is always just waiting on the next pull of the lever, the next throw of the dice. "Next season" will be different, never mind all the proof to the otherwise.

When one of Mick's teams puts together a "deep run" (whatever that means... "Sweet 16"? "Elite 8"???) I'll be happy to reevaluate my "expectations." Until then, I'm holding with my lower expectations.

Excellent post. Bolded, I agree that it's unfair to label those who are looking to hold Cronin to some objective standard for performance in the postseason as folks who can't get past Huggins. I was always in the camp that Huggins had to go--no one ever spotted me in an ugly purple Kansas State jersey or WVU attire. Conflating Mick's performance entirely with the fans pining for Huggins is indeed incorrect. Point well taken.

Those who couldn’t get over the Huggs canning are long gone. Saying all Mick critics are stuck in Huggs is a Cincy media fallacy.

There's a thread on here right now called "Bring Huggins back"

Tongue in cheek.

It's the MC apologists who continue to label anybody who questions or criticizes Saint Mick as a Huggs lover.

In large part the anti-Cronin people are butt hurt Huggs fans.
The style of ball really isn't that different between them. Those teams who have sustained runs typically can shoot the ball and run offense at a high level. Of course, that didn't help Xavier or the Nevada team we nearly beat (save for a missed basket toward the end and Cronin's dumb decision to leave Cumberland in) as they ended up losing to Loyola. Regardless, it's worthless to speculate on what we'll look like 10 years from now.

(04-01-2018 01:04 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  In large part the anti-Cronin people are butt hurt Huggs fans.
The style of ball really isn't that different between them. Those teams who have sustained runs typically can shoot the ball and run offense at a high level. Of course, that didn't help Xavier or the Nevada team we nearly beat (save for a missed basket toward the end and Cronin's dumb decision to leave Cumberland in) as they ended up losing to Loyola. Regardless, it's worthless to speculate on what we'll look like 10 years from now.

I can only speak for myself, but my critique of Cronin is solely based upon on is own performance. I would have liked to see BH not go out the way he did and stick around a little longer, but ultimately he played a part in his departure. And this was 12 years ago, so there is no need to keep revisiting it.

I think Mick could do a better job than he has if we was willing to examine the way things are ran, and made the critical changes. The problem is, nothing about his personality we've been presented through the media, leads any of us to believe he would be willing to make this attempt. For this, I think our results in the near and distance future with Mick in charge can be pretty predictable. I think the prospect of change leads more hope to people, feeling they pretty much know what we have with MC.

There is no clear answer to anything. Maybe Mick stays here and proves us all wrong winning big with his style of play and coaching. I would like nothing more, but mor often than not, the best predictor of future results is simply looking at previous historical results and trends.

Happy Easter!

I didn't mind Cronin's decision to leave Cumberland in. What's the difference between taking him out of the game and then putting him back in for the last minute or two, and letting him stay in for a minute or two before he fouls out?

I think Mick is a heck of a coach and does not get the credit he deserves. I also think he could be better, and will need to be ever make a Final Four run.

Consider that he competes in recruiting against schools with much bigger budgets who have access to people who give recruits bags of money, Mick's accomplishments are fairly impressive.

(04-01-2018 07:39 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I didn't mind Cronin's decision to leave Cumberland in. What's the difference between taking him out of the game and then putting him back in for the last minute or two, and letting him stay in for a minute or two before he fouls out?

I think Mick is a heck of a coach and does not get the credit he deserves. I also think he could be better, and will need to be ever make a Final Four run.

Consider that he competes in recruiting against schools with much bigger budgets who have access to people who give recruits bags of money, Mick's accomplishments are fairly impressive.

I thought he should have taken him out just for a little bit, just to level his head, but who knows. The thing that bothered me more was how long it took him to call a timeout after Nevada started speeding us up. I dont think he called a timeout until Nevada got in to single digits.. he should have recognized earlier what was happening and tried to put a stop to it.

(04-01-2018 08:00 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 07:39 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I didn't mind Cronin's decision to leave Cumberland in. What's the difference between taking him out of the game and then putting him back in for the last minute or two, and letting him stay in for a minute or two before he fouls out?

I think Mick is a heck of a coach and does not get the credit he deserves. I also think he could be better, and will need to be ever make a Final Four run.

Consider that he competes in recruiting against schools with much bigger budgets who have access to people who give recruits bags of money, Mick's accomplishments are fairly impressive.

I thought he should have taken him out just for a little bit, just to level his head, but who knows. The thing that bothered me more was how long it took him to call a timeout after Nevada started speeding us up. I dont think he called a timeout until Nevada got in to single digits.. he should have recognized earlier what was happening and tried to put a stop to it.

I believe there was a TV timeout somewhere in there as well. I wish coaches would use timeouts to stop runs more often. I have a rule of a run 6 points or more in a competitive game should equal a timeout. The problem is that the new timeout rules make calling a regular timeout less effective. Teams only get four timeouts instead of five and more importantly the double timeout that would occur when a team would call a timeout and then get a TV timout on the next stoppage is gone. That double timeout scenario killed the flow of the game and was a great run stopper. Coaches are more likely to wait for TV timeout than burn a timeout.

Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

(04-01-2018 01:41 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

He's going to have to turn Cumberland and Broome loose. Those two are going to have to average at least 30 combined or else we are looking at another 2014-15 kind of season. I'm not sure if my eyes can take it.

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:41 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

He's going to have to turn Cumberland and Broome loose. Those two are going to have to average at least 30 combined or else we are looking at another 2014-15 kind of season. I'm not sure if my eyes can take it.

you think we can get 20 points from our four bigs?

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:41 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

He's going to have to turn Cumberland and Broome loose. Those two are going to have to average at least 30 combined or else we are looking at another 2014-15 kind of season. I'm not sure if my eyes can take it.

He has 2 scholarship slots to fill, very curious who fills those spots. It would be nice to get someone like Brangers to come in and add an immediate scoring punch. Either way, Mick is going to have to realize he cant just run out Brooks and Scott as the front court, he will need to go small ball. Modern basketball is about having 5 guys that can shoot, pass, and run. Your bigs need to shoot and your guards need to rebound. Having Scott and Brooks in at the same time will seriously clog things up.

I'm in the "small ball" camp for next year's team to be a success. But I do agree that a "ready now" recruit is necessary to sustain program success next season. A transfer big with immediate eligibility for the scoring punch that is lost with the departure of Clark, Washington and Evans would help--lots of points per game to replace with that threesome.

i'm smelling nit next year. i think jarron will become a star, partly because he'll have to

(04-02-2018 06:59 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:41 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

He's going to have to turn Cumberland and Broome loose. Those two are going to have to average at least 30 combined or else we are looking at another 2014-15 kind of season. I'm not sure if my eyes can take it.

you think we can get 20 points from our four bigs?

If Diarra is ready to play 15-20 minutes, then yes. Otherwise, probably not. I don't think Nsoseme, Brooks, or Scott are capable of averaging more than 7-8 ppg right now unless they average 30+ minutes, which isn't going to happen.

(04-02-2018 11:14 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:59 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 01:41 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Next year without Evans teams will gameplan to take away Cumberland....Wow. Not much scoring after that. We better up the deflections to 80 a game, not counting MC's deflections.

He's going to have to turn Cumberland and Broome loose. Those two are going to have to average at least 30 combined or else we are looking at another 2014-15 kind of season. I'm not sure if my eyes can take it.

you think we can get 20 points from our four bigs?

If Diarra is ready to play 15-20 minutes, then yes. Otherwise, probably not. I don't think Nsoseme, Brooks, or Scott are capable of averaging more than 7-8 ppg right now unless they average 30+ minutes, which isn't going to happen.

scott's close enough right now to probably get seven points. he could probably get ten eventually with his ability to rebound. there'll be plenty opportunities cuz our guards gon' be chuckin'

next year's team will be interesting. new players will be forced to step up and darlings will emerge