(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:47 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='RiceLad15' pid='15199605' dateline='1521681211']

Hypocrisy is NOT a left-wing only issue.

Of course not, but on a personal level, it sometimes seems that way. My experience is that the liberals I know personally are hypocritical more often than the conservatives I know personally. Then same is true of smugness and condescension, two other vices that have been discussed frequently in this forum.

Of course, my experience may just be an artifact of the fact that I know more liberals than I do conservatives, and also that they tend to be noisier and thus more likely to display their vices. On the other hand, there may be something to it.

It's likely less an artifact of the number of people you know and more your own personal views. It's a lot easier to notice the hypocrisy or perceived smugness of those who disagree with you, than those who agree with you - and that's true for everyone.

I mean, I generally find that conservatives I interact with appear to be 100 times more smug and condescending in their views, because they generally express an absolute disbelief that anyone, could ever, believe in some liberal ideas or values, and that there must be something wrong with them to do so.

I can't believe you just said that!

OK, I hope you saw the humor.

I think liberals have an absolute faith that they are the people on the side of what is morally right, and conservatives are the ones on the side of selfishness and greed. How many times have we heard liberals saying conservatives will be on the wrong side of history? How many times have we heard conservaticves represented as racist(Voter ID), xenophobic(sanctuary cities), greedy(taxes), uncaring, etc. How many times have conservatives been portrayed as stupid, ignorant, uneducated rednecks{I done tellya wut, podner...). What was it Hillary just said about the people who voted against her vis-a-vis those who voted for her? Something about backwards looking, racist, yada, yada, yada.

Now I think both sides have absolute belief that the positions they favor on issues is right. But the libs think they are better than the people who disagree with them. Bucket of deplorables, bitter clingers, selfish racists, one and all. But the married white women cannot help it - their husbands tell them how to vote.

(03-23-2018 07:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  His administration continues to lose the remaining few people who were competent and tolerable, and he continues to replace them with worse choices. Is there a single person on this board who thinks Bolton will make a good National Security Advisor? One of Trump's big campaign issues was he was against the War in Iraq, and he wants to focus on America first (almost to the point of Woodrow Wilson isolation). Now he brings in the person who is one of the strongest aggressive foreign policy proponents around?

Trump hasn't been brutal on the economy, but his foreign policy decisions have been disasters, and comparing his decisions to Obama's decisions are a joke.

Strange, I thought the consensus when he hired these people was that they were out of their depth.

I share the distaste for Bolton but I hope that a foreign policy based on not bending over backward will produce better results than the Washington shuffle we have grown used to.

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:47 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='RiceLad15' pid='15199605' dateline='1521681211']

Hypocrisy is NOT a left-wing only issue.

Of course not, but on a personal level, it sometimes seems that way. My experience is that the liberals I know personally are hypocritical more often than the conservatives I know personally. Then same is true of smugness and condescension, two other vices that have been discussed frequently in this forum.

Of course, my experience may just be an artifact of the fact that I know more liberals than I do conservatives, and also that they tend to be noisier and thus more likely to display their vices. On the other hand, there may be something to it.

It's likely less an artifact of the number of people you know and more your own personal views. It's a lot easier to notice the hypocrisy or perceived smugness of those who disagree with you, than those who agree with you - and that's true for everyone.

Possibly, but I honestly doubt that's the entire explanation.

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I mean, I generally find that conservatives I interact with appear to be 100 times more smug and condescending in their views, because they generally express an absolute disbelief that anyone, could ever, believe in some liberal ideas or values, and that there must be something wrong with them to do so.

"100 times"? I feel pretty certain that THAT statement is entirely a product of your own personal views, and reflects some of the very vices we have been discussing.

(03-23-2018 07:04 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  . . . Obama's decisions are a joke.

Fixed it for you!

(03-23-2018 08:17 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:47 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='RiceLad15' pid='15199605' dateline='1521681211']

Hypocrisy is NOT a left-wing only issue.

Of course not, but on a personal level, it sometimes seems that way. My experience is that the liberals I know personally are hypocritical more often than the conservatives I know personally. Then same is true of smugness and condescension, two other vices that have been discussed frequently in this forum.

Of course, my experience may just be an artifact of the fact that I know more liberals than I do conservatives, and also that they tend to be noisier and thus more likely to display their vices. On the other hand, there may be something to it.

It's likely less an artifact of the number of people you know and more your own personal views. It's a lot easier to notice the hypocrisy or perceived smugness of those who disagree with you, than those who agree with you - and that's true for everyone.

Possibly, but I honestly doubt that's the entire explanation.

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I mean, I generally find that conservatives I interact with appear to be 100 times more smug and condescending in their views, because they generally express an absolute disbelief that anyone, could ever, believe in some liberal ideas or values, and that there must be something wrong with them to do so.

"100 times"? I feel pretty certain that THAT statement is entirely a product of your own personal views, and reflects some of the very vices we have been discussing.

I was exaggerating there (which I had assumed was obvious), and doing so to support my initial thesis about how it is personal views, not fact, driving your initial observation.

I do find you’re last comment to be a bit ironic though. That apparently my opinion that the conservatives I interact with often come across as smug and condescending, reflects those same vices onto me. But yet, when you state that you find that to be smug and condescending that it doesn’t reflect those vices back onto you.

Interesting.

I was just reading this article about secession in northern California:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-rur...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't want to derail this conversation into another topic, but I do want to quote the following statements that show how conservatives think they are perceived by liberals.

She wants to work in the medical field and stay in Northern California, but "as a working-class poor, it is not possible for me," she said. She believes her chances at getting into a four-year state university were hindered, in part, because she is white.

"I'm like, excuse me, I have to work my butt off to get anywhere, and you're going to hand illegals ... a driver's license, you're going to hand them an education, and I have to work my butt off until I'm in tears and begging for help to get anywhere. No."

Mike Murray, 32, of Rocklin said he hates "the perception that it is these old white people that just want to go around and spit their tobacky and shoot their guns."

"We Okies are fun, aren't we?" one man quipped.

Inside the banquet hall, the man many see as the founder of the modern Jefferson movement told the crowd that their gun rights, property rights, grazing rights and water rights were under siege by politicians who write them off as "country bumpkins."

(03-23-2018 08:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 08:17 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:47 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='RiceLad15' pid='15199605' dateline='1521681211']

Hypocrisy is NOT a left-wing only issue.

Of course not, but on a personal level, it sometimes seems that way. My experience is that the liberals I know personally are hypocritical more often than the conservatives I know personally. Then same is true of smugness and condescension, two other vices that have been discussed frequently in this forum.

Of course, my experience may just be an artifact of the fact that I know more liberals than I do conservatives, and also that they tend to be noisier and thus more likely to display their vices. On the other hand, there may be something to it.

It's likely less an artifact of the number of people you know and more your own personal views. It's a lot easier to notice the hypocrisy or perceived smugness of those who disagree with you, than those who agree with you - and that's true for everyone.

Possibly, but I honestly doubt that's the entire explanation.

(03-23-2018 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I mean, I generally find that conservatives I interact with appear to be 100 times more smug and condescending in their views, because they generally express an absolute disbelief that anyone, could ever, believe in some liberal ideas or values, and that there must be something wrong with them to do so.

"100 times"? I feel pretty certain that THAT statement is entirely a product of your own personal views, and reflects some of the very vices we have been discussing.

I was exaggerating there (which I had assumed was obvious), and doing so to support my initial thesis about how it is personal views, not fact, driving your initial observation.

I do find you’re last comment to be a bit ironic though. That apparently my opinion that the conservatives I interact with often come across as smug and condescending, reflects those same vices onto me. But yet, when you state that you find that to be smug and condescending that it doesn’t reflect those vices back onto you.

Interesting.

As I think is clear from the sentence structure of my comment (which I had assumed was obvious), I did not say that your general opinion seems to reflects those vices (it does not), but rather your decision to change the rhetorical tone from careful to exaggerated. And to be honest, the further claim of "irony" and the sarcastic "interesting" don't help.

Given the promptness of your reply, it seem fair to attribute your misunderstanding to hasty reading, rather than anything else. :)

(03-23-2018 08:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I was exaggerating there (which I had assumed was obvious), and doing so to support my initial thesis about how it is personal views, not fact, driving your initial observation.

How does replying to my personal observation with an admitted non-fact show that my observation was non-factual?

(03-23-2018 08:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  ]

I was exaggerating there (which I had assumed was obvious)

As I was doing the other day when I said you were screaming.

I always gave a world of stock to the statement of: The difference between world views of conservatives and liberals are that conservatives think liberals are fundamentally wrong and are extremely smug about that; liberals project conservatives and their views are evil and ignorant.

I've heard liberals are angry and conservatives are scared.

But weren't we all intelligent and sincere here?

(03-23-2018 10:41 AM)JSA Wrote:  I've heard liberals are angry and conservatives are scared.

Doesn't it make sense to be afraid of angry people?

I may have posted previously, but I saw something I liked and thought was insightful.

Liberals take Trump literally but not seriously, conservatives take him seriously but not literally.

That seems to apply to at least some extent to most people I know.

(03-23-2018 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Liberals take Trump literally but not seriously, conservatives take him seriously but not literally.

Seems right. The bolded part especially seems right, for example, how liberals think when he exhorted Russia to keep on exposing Hillary's emails, it was a double secret communication from Trump's lips to Putin's ears. To me it sounds more like when I tell FAU in TV, "Keep on beating Miami". Doesn't make me a secret FAU fan.

(03-23-2018 10:41 AM)JSA Wrote:  I've heard liberals are angry and conservatives are scared.

But weren't we all intelligent and sincere here?

All? I'd concur but only on those few times when I'm not picking my nose....

(03-23-2018 03:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:41 AM)JSA Wrote:  I've heard liberals are angry and conservatives are scared.

But weren't we all intelligent and sincere here?

All? I'd concur but only on those few times when I'm not picking my nose....

I am sure you pick very sincerely, you stupid redneck.

(03-21-2018 06:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I find the sinister implication of a Congrats to be worthy and to the level of an episode of "In Search of Ancient Alien Astronauts"....

If it wasnt so laughable Id say that you should pitch it as an episode to that squirrelly haired greek 'professor' who is the de facto host of that show...

I promise that if Trump is able to provide definitive evidence of the existence of Bigfoot, the Yeti, or Loch Ness monster, I will take back every mean thing I've said about him.*

*If the "proof" is a picture of a smirking Eric and Don Jr. in front of Nessie's carcass, my promise is null and void.

(03-21-2018 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And wasn't it Obama making fun of Romney saying Russia was the enemy while he was promising Vlad he could be more flexible after the election?
this would look really bad if the media decided to harp on it.

But we both know they won't--as did Obama and Biden when they made their respective comments.

Yeah, yeah, the old double standard.

it alwys astounds me how the left can wield a double standard so often and not even see it as such.

obama uses data mining to target voters and get them out - genius.
trump does the same - unethical.

Trump Jr meets a Russian, looking for dirt on Clinton, then rejects her in a couple of minutes - treason
clinton Campaign actually pays Russians for unsubstantied dirt on Trump - yawn

Trump sleeps with women not his wife - outrage
Bill sleeps with women not his wife - vast right wing conspiracy.

47% don't pay taxes - racist
Half the people who don't vote Democrat are deplorable - fact

Obama congratulates Putin - no biggie
Trump congratulates Putin - proves Putin is his master

And the beat goes on....

You'll love this one then:

Obama's preferred 2020 candidate is reportedly Deval Patrick.

And where did he go to work after leaving the governor's office?

Bain Capital...

(03-23-2018 04:48 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  And wasn't it Obama making fun of Romney saying Russia was the enemy while he was promising Vlad he could be more flexible after the election?
this would look really bad if the media decided to harp on it.

But we both know they won't--as did Obama and Biden when they made their respective comments.

Yeah, yeah, the old double standard.

it alwys astounds me how the left can wield a double standard so often and not even see it as such.

obama uses data mining to target voters and get them out - genius.
trump does the same - unethical.

Trump Jr meets a Russian, looking for dirt on Clinton, then rejects her in a couple of minutes - treason
clinton Campaign actually pays Russians for unsubstantied dirt on Trump - yawn

Trump sleeps with women not his wife - outrage
Bill sleeps with women not his wife - vast right wing conspiracy.

47% don't pay taxes - racist
Half the people who don't vote Democrat are deplorable - fact

Obama congratulates Putin - no biggie
Trump congratulates Putin - proves Putin is his master

And the beat goes on....

You'll love this one then:

Obama's preferred 2020 candidate is reportedly Deval Patrick.

And where did he go to work after leaving the governor's office?

Bain Capital...

It will be OK this time...

Bain Capital is not the 23rd circle of capitalist hell I now will assume.