(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  What is funny is the notion that anyone would care what the Tobacco Road crowd thinks about any subject on Earth.

It ain't your grand pappy's ACC any longer and never will be again.

(Yeah, I know that I am a fan of a school whose football program isn't in the conference, but you guys in your desperation needed ND badly enough for all of your presidents to agree to the arrangement)

It is also funny that the author neglected to mention that a "Yankee Refugee" team in ND won the Tournament in its second or third year in the league and was in the finals last year.

P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

No disrespect intended, just to point out that the world doesn't revolve around North Carolina.

I suspect these regional tensions may eventually cause the ACC to implode.

Or that SU went 25-0 in its first season before losing a game. Thats a school record.
But all of that gets in the way of his arguments about the BE schools being no good.

(03-09-2018 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

That's your loss.

I will get over it, I suppose.

Again, no disrespect to him. I am guessing nobody in North Carolina knows who announces ND basketball and baseball games, either.

(03-09-2018 01:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  (Yeah, I know that I am a fan of a school whose football program isn't in the conference, but you guys in your desperation needed ND badly enough for all of your presidents to agree to the arrangement)

And by all you mean of course, just like in expansion, they held the first real vote and, after seeing it would pass, held the second official "unanimous" vote to appear in solidarity.

The devil is in the details.

The details are that the ACC wanted and needed ND, so the presidents voted it in.

Full stop.

(03-09-2018 01:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

That's your loss.

I will get over it, I suppose.

Again, no disrespect to him. I am guessing nobody in North Carolina knows who announces ND basketball and baseball games, either.

The ancient Criqui still right? Radio networks still mean something around here. It's common to turn on the radio network and mute the TV among those I know. Woody's son Wes Durham was the voice of the Yellow Jackets for several decades, is still the voice of the Atlanta Falcons, is the main play by play on the ACC RSN with Bates, and in any just world would be the face of the new ACC TV channel.

(03-09-2018 01:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The details are that the ACC wanted and needed ND, so the presidents voted it in.

Full stop.

The details are that the ND wanted and needed the ACC, so it agreed to be independent in name only.

Full stop.

(03-09-2018 01:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

That's your loss.

I will get over it, I suppose.

Again, no disrespect to him. I am guessing nobody in North Carolina knows who announces ND basketball and baseball games, either.

Correct.

I can't name the play-by-play personalities for any school other than NC State, and that's because Gary Hahn is likely the longest standing play-by-play guy left.

Hell, I can't even tell you the name of the new guy at Duke and I work there.

I barely know about Jones Angel at Carolina.

I can't name anyone else, since Wes Durham stopped calling GT games.

(03-09-2018 01:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The details are that the ACC wanted and needed ND, so the presidents voted it in.

Full stop.

The details are that the ND wanted and needed the ACC, so it agreed to be independent in name only.

Full stop.

It was a mutually beneficial agreement for both sides, and it's worked out pretty well for everyone so far.

(03-09-2018 02:03 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The details are that the ACC wanted and needed ND, so the presidents voted it in.

Full stop.

The details are that the ND wanted and needed the ACC, so it agreed to be independent in name only.

Full stop.

It was a mutually beneficial agreement for both sides, and it's worked out pretty well for everyone so far.

Correct, but given Terry's industry of occupation I felt it necessary to provide the jury with the defense's perspective.

A couple of observations.

First, it was uncalled for to be disrespectful during a moment of silence for anyone and I condemn a fan of any school for doing that.

With respect to Syracuse fans, as others have said, that fan does not represent us as a group. I've been to dozens of SU road games and tournament games over the years and I've rarely seen rude or unruly behavior, but there can always be an exception.

With respect to the thrust of article itself, I would point out that it was published in the Greensboro press for local consumption. Greensboro has undoubtedly been hurt by ACC expansion, and complaining about unruly fans in New York will certainly get folks talking down there and sell more newspapers. Frankly, though, it's low hanging fruit with little journalistic value.

The realignment process has had a sweeping effect on college athletics and its traditions. Numerous rivalries have been ended or diluted, and many traditional events have had their locations or participants disrupted. As a Syracuse fan, for instance, I miss our traditional rivalries in basketball with Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova and UConn, and I miss the old Big East tournament at MSG. However, I would also note that all of those, except for the rivalry with St. John's, were created by the realignment that led to the creation of the Big East.

I believe the new ACC has great potential and am very excited for SU to be part of it. Rather than a single flavor (e.g., having the ACC tournament in Greensboro), the new ACC brings together an amzing combination of flavors including the Tobacco Road basketball tradition, Eastern basketball tradition (the former Big East members and including Brooklyn in the tournament rotation), Southern football tradition (FSU, Clemson, GT, etc.), Notre Dame's incredible athletics tradition, and more. It is fine to be nostalgic, and it will undoubtedly take time for folks to get used to and fully appreciate the new alignment, but it is the future that we are all committed to for the next 20 years anyway. So, stop complaining and enjoy.

(03-09-2018 01:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

That's your loss.

I will get over it, I suppose.

Again, no disrespect to him. I am guessing nobody in North Carolina knows who announces ND basketball and baseball games, either.

None taken. I've always liked Tom Hammond and Pat Haden announcing Irish games, but I surely don't know the revered announcers.

We should all be allowed to lament the days of yore. Some drunk fan shouldn't ruin everyone's point of view, etc. I don't like that the tournament is away from Greensboro for five years, but it will be back and hopefully a better rotation can be worked out.

(03-09-2018 04:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  We should all be allowed to lament the days of yore. Some drunk fan shouldn't ruin everyone's point of view, etc. I don't like that the tournament is away from Greensboro for five years, but it will be back and hopefully a better rotation can be worked out.

Well I understand that...the BE guys have done it too in past threads...but two of your NC based buddies were pompous and preachy in this thread: calling UNC and Duke as our elders?

Brooklyn or better yet (MSG) will be in a regular rotation and Greensboro better get used to it.

(03-09-2018 03:05 PM)orangefan Wrote:  A couple of observations.

First, it was uncalled for to be disrespectful during a moment of silence for anyone and I condemn a fan of any school for doing that.

With respect to Syracuse fans, as others have said, that fan does not represent us as a group. I've been to dozens of SU road games and tournament games over the years and I've rarely seen rude or unruly behavior, but there can always be an exception.

With respect to the thrust of article itself, I would point out that it was published in the Greensboro press for local consumption. Greensboro has undoubtedly been hurt by ACC expansion, and complaining about unruly fans in New York will certainly get folks talking down there and sell more newspapers. Frankly, though, it's low hanging fruit with little journalistic value.

The realignment process has had a sweeping effect on college athletics and its traditions. Numerous rivalries have been ended or diluted, and many traditional events have had their locations or participants disrupted. As a Syracuse fan, for instance, I miss our traditional rivalries in basketball with Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova and UConn, and I miss the old Big East tournament at MSG. However, I would also note that all of those, except for the rivalry with St. John's, were created by the realignment that led to the creation of the Big East.

I believe the new ACC has great potential and am very excited for SU to be part of it. Rather than a single flavor (e.g., having the ACC tournament in Greensboro), the new ACC brings together an amzing combination of flavors including the Tobacco Road basketball tradition, Eastern basketball tradition (the former Big East members and including Brooklyn in the tournament rotation), Southern football tradition (FSU, Clemson, GT, etc.), Notre Dame's incredible athletics tradition, and more. It is fine to be nostalgic, and it will undoubtedly take time for folks to get used to and fully appreciate the new alignment, but it is the future that we are all committed to for the next 20 years anyway. So, stop complaining and enjoy.

The voice of reason. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Totally agree with you.

First and foremost, you just don't do that during a moment of silence regardless of whether you knew the guy or not. Seem like plenty of folk on this string gloss over that fact. It was a BS move regardless of geographic location. And I would like to think people know better.

Now, to the pissing contest and the butt hurt over a NC based newspaper article. I get it. The reality is we are all in this thing together and I look forward to the ACC possessing the football championship, basketball championship, baseball championship and several Olympic sports championships like it did a couple of years ago. Sure there are somethings that have to be tweaked but all in all, the ACC is winning. Especially when it comes to National Championships. Relax, drink your beer and enjoy the best conference in the land.

(03-09-2018 07:01 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 03:05 PM)orangefan Wrote:  A couple of observations.

First, it was uncalled for to be disrespectful during a moment of silence for anyone and I condemn a fan of any school for doing that.

With respect to Syracuse fans, as others have said, that fan does not represent us as a group. I've been to dozens of SU road games and tournament games over the years and I've rarely seen rude or unruly behavior, but there can always be an exception.

With respect to the thrust of article itself, I would point out that it was published in the Greensboro press for local consumption. Greensboro has undoubtedly been hurt by ACC expansion, and complaining about unruly fans in New York will certainly get folks talking down there and sell more newspapers. Frankly, though, it's low hanging fruit with little journalistic value.

The realignment process has had a sweeping effect on college athletics and its traditions. Numerous rivalries have been ended or diluted, and many traditional events have had their locations or participants disrupted. As a Syracuse fan, for instance, I miss our traditional rivalries in basketball with Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova and UConn, and I miss the old Big East tournament at MSG. However, I would also note that all of those, except for the rivalry with St. John's, were created by the realignment that led to the creation of the Big East.

I believe the new ACC has great potential and am very excited for SU to be part of it. Rather than a single flavor (e.g., having the ACC tournament in Greensboro), the new ACC brings together an amzing combination of flavors including the Tobacco Road basketball tradition, Eastern basketball tradition (the former Big East members and including Brooklyn in the tournament rotation), Southern football tradition (FSU, Clemson, GT, etc.), Notre Dame's incredible athletics tradition, and more. It is fine to be nostalgic, and it will undoubtedly take time for folks to get used to and fully appreciate the new alignment, but it is the future that we are all committed to for the next 20 years anyway. So, stop complaining and enjoy.

The voice of reason. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Totally agree with you.

First and foremost, you just don't do that during a moment of silence regardless of whether you knew the guy or not. Seem like plenty of folk on this string gloss over that fact. It was a BS move regardless of geographic location. And I would like to think people know better.

Now, to the pissing contest and the butt hurt over a NC based newspaper article. I get it. The reality is we are all in this thing together and I look forward to the ACC possessing the football championship, basketball championship, baseball championship and several Olympic sports championships like it did a couple of years ago. Sure there are somethings that have to be tweaked but all in all, the ACC is winning. Especially when it comes to National Championships. Relax, drink your beer and enjoy the best conference in the land.

I would add to this my support for WD being the face & voice of the new ACCN as well. Also Greensboro needs to be kept in the rotation. The ACC is the best conference & is only getting better.


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I like the 4 city rotation that is Gboro, Charlotte, DC and NYC. But, I also think the ACC should really embrace its footprint and set the rotation to 5 regions taking into consideration that the conference stretches along the eastern seaboard cities and touches part of the Midwest. Two year rotation.

Gboro/Charlotte
NY
DC/Pittsburgh (using the igloo if possible)
Orlando/Miami
Chicago (take advantage of ND's fanbase)/ Louisville Yum Center

If the ticket sells and attendance is not up to par, pare it down otherwise include major arenas in the 5 regions that make up the ACC footprint.

Florida is a failure for all conference tournaments save the Atlantic Sun.

(03-10-2018 09:02 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I would add to this my support for WD being the face & voice of the new ACCN as well. Also Greensboro needs to be kept in the rotation. The ACC is the best conference & is only getting better.

Agreed. The Durham's broadcasting legacy and whether Greensboro should always host the ACC Men's Basketball Tournament are two completely separate issues. I'll miss hearing Woody Durham's voice and I wouldn't mind hearing Wes a lot more often on the ACC Network channel. Good to know he's already got his fingerprints all over the ACC Sirius XM radio channel.

This.

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I like the conference makeup. Given time, new rivalries will develop and be as strong, if not stronger than those that were lost. I wish we didn't have a partial member, be it Notre Dame or any other school. It was a good solution and Notre Dame or neither would have done it. Notre Dame could have conceivably gone to the nBE and had 100% football independence. They chose the ACC because it benefited them to the point of giving up 5 football games. It benefited the ACC or they would have not agreed to it either.

(03-12-2018 10:24 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I like the conference makeup. Given time, new rivalries will develop and be as strong, if not stronger than those that were lost. I wish we didn't have a partial member, be it Notre Dame or any other school. It was a good solution and Notre Dame or neither would have done it. Notre Dame could have conceivably gone to the nBE and had 100% football independence. They chose the ACC because it benefited them to the point of giving up 5 football games. It benefited the ACC or they would have not agreed to it either.

Don't discount the importance in ND's decision of its need to find P5 opponents during the conference play portion of the football season and its need to obtain strong bowl affiliations. With the Big Ten moving to a nine game conference schedule, ND's traditional games with Michigan, MSU and Purdue were going to be forced into the first three weeks of the season, the only weeks when many other P5 opponents have availability in their schedule, thereby precluding series like the recent ones with Texas and Georgia. The ACC was willing to give ND opponents in the middle of the conference schedule for any week that ND requests an opponent. I'm sure that ND would have preferred to make it four games, but this basic arrangement was necessary to allow ND to maintain a P5 level schedule moving forward. Just ask BYU how difficult it is to do without such an arrangement.