(03-07-2018 02:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  So you're gonna tell me there's no difference between Secaucus, Weehawken and Manhattan? I've been to all three in this case.

of course there's a difference, just like Manhattan is different than the Bronx, Brooklyn, SI and Queens, or Harlem is different from Chinatown, or Williamsburg is different than Brownsville.

MSG is much closer to Weehawken for example (which is separated by the Lincoln Tunnel, 3 miles) than it is to Citifield where the Mets play (10 miles). This is why people that live in Weehawken, or Secaucus, work in NYC and breathe NYC sports. This is why Ch. 9 which is located in Secaucus, despite being under the directive of the State of NJ to require coverage of NJ, was the primary carrier of the Mets for years, and the news is dedicated to NYC Metro sports. This is also why Rutgers by far has the largest FBS alumni base living in and around NYC. Where do you think the alumni end up working after they graduate?

Manhattan is Manhattan. But Northern NJ, Fairfield CT and Southeastern NY (Long Island, Westchester, Orange, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess, Ulster, Sullivan) are all extensions of NYC and hence the NYC DMA. Its not really a difficult concept to grasp.

(03-04-2018 08:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Saying Staten Island is part of NYC is like saying San Fernando Valley is LA. I know enough about NYC to know that, local or not.

Strangest argument yet.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. Rutgers is clearly in the NYC metro area. In terms of physical distance, Rutgers is significantly closer to Madison Square Garden than any SEC school is to Atlanta or any ACC school is to Charlotte, yet anyone reasonable here would take Atlanta being an SEC market and Charlotte being an ACC market at face value. In Jim Delany's own words, they'll likely have the Big Ten Tournament on the East Coast about "20% of the time", which sounds fairly reasonable considering the geographic footprint of the conference.

(03-07-2018 12:21 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. Rutgers is clearly in the NYC metro area. In terms of physical distance, Rutgers is significantly closer to Madison Square Garden than any SEC school is to Atlanta or any ACC school is to Charlotte, yet anyone reasonable here would take Atlanta being an SEC market and Charlotte being an ACC market at face value. In Jim Delany's own words, they'll likely have the Big Ten Tournament on the East Coast about "20% of the time", which sounds fairly reasonable considering the geographic footprint of the conference.

Chicago
Indy
Chicago
Indy
NYC
Chicago
Indy
Chicago
Indy
DC

Sound reasonable

(03-03-2018 08:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yeah, this is just like the Big East in its heyday...not.

Yet another example of our overly pretentious society, where people try to feel more important than they are. The Big Ten doesn't even have a team in New York and no, Rutgers doesn't count as anything New York except one night 12 years ago.

Okay guy from Houston, tell us again how Rutgers isn't a NY team as they literally sit in the NYC TV market. A half hour drive from campus and you're in Manhattan. Keep those P6 dreams alive though.

Google Maps says 1 hour and 3 mins at this moment. Rutgers is NJ's team not NY's team

(03-07-2018 07:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 02:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  So you're gonna tell me there's no difference between Secaucus, Weehawken and Manhattan? I've been to all three in this case.

I'm not sure why you're bulldogging this. If you've spent time in Joisey, you know that the NYC penumbra spreads out quite a ways, and it definitely covers Rutgers.

Sure, that penumbra fades the farther we move away from the epicenter. New Brunswick isn't as much New York City as Times Square is, but it's definitely in the zone of influence and orbit.

Rutgers sits pretty much halfway between Philly and Manhattan...Rutgers is a team that plays in the NY area...but they are not NY's Team. No college team controls NYC.

Here’s the thing though: when Rutgers was in the Big East, they weren’t bringing boatloads of fans. Even when Quincy Douby was lighting it up from damn near half court! The fans that will actually show up are alumni/fans of Michigan, Ohio State, MSU, and probably Indiana if they were any good. Of course, every large fan base in the Big 10 should show up for a exclusive event like that. So it is smart to have the tourney there, but not a week early. Don’t do something your coaches hate if you want to be successful.

(03-07-2018 01:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yeah, this is just like the Big East in its heyday...not.

Yet another example of our overly pretentious society, where people try to feel more important than they are. The Big Ten doesn't even have a team in New York and no, Rutgers doesn't count as anything New York except one night 12 years ago.

Okay guy from Houston, tell us again how Rutgers isn't a NY team as they literally sit in the NYC TV market. A half hour drive from campus and you're in Manhattan. Keep those P6 dreams alive though.

Google Maps says 1 hour and 3 mins at this moment. Rutgers is NJ's team not NY's team

lol thats because there's a snowstorm right now.

(03-07-2018 01:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Rutgers sits pretty much halfway between Philly and Manhattan...Rutgers is a team that plays in the NY area...but they are not NY's Team. No college team controls NYC.

That can be agreed, there will never be NYC's team. But due to geography, it allows the Big Ten to officially be in the NYC DMA, and that portion of NYC media coverage, influence and broadcast is more than most states, hence the point of Rutgers being in the Big Ten and the Big Ten Tourney being in NYC sometimes.

(03-07-2018 01:30 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yeah, this is just like the Big East in its heyday...not.

Yet another example of our overly pretentious society, where people try to feel more important than they are. The Big Ten doesn't even have a team in New York and no, Rutgers doesn't count as anything New York except one night 12 years ago.

Okay guy from Houston, tell us again how Rutgers isn't a NY team as they literally sit in the NYC TV market. A half hour drive from campus and you're in Manhattan. Keep those P6 dreams alive though.

Google Maps says 1 hour and 3 mins at this moment. Rutgers is NJ's team not NY's team

lol thats because there's a snowstorm right now.

And there is no way...you are getting to MSG from Rutgers in 30 mins other than 3am with a radar detector

BTW, up to 1 hour and 11 mins now...guess the snow picked up. LOL

(03-07-2018 01:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:30 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yeah, this is just like the Big East in its heyday...not.

Yet another example of our overly pretentious society, where people try to feel more important than they are. The Big Ten doesn't even have a team in New York and no, Rutgers doesn't count as anything New York except one night 12 years ago.

Okay guy from Houston, tell us again how Rutgers isn't a NY team as they literally sit in the NYC TV market. A half hour drive from campus and you're in Manhattan. Keep those P6 dreams alive though.

Google Maps says 1 hour and 3 mins at this moment. Rutgers is NJ's team not NY's team

lol thats because there's a snowstorm right now.

And there is no way...you are getting to MSG from Rutgers in 30 mins other than 3am with a radar detector

BTW, up to 1 hour and 11 mins now...guess the snow picked up. LOL

yup its coming down pretty hard now and starting to stick. I've made it in 30 mins before, and yes 3am. Traffic is a *****, what can you say.

(03-07-2018 11:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 08:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Saying Staten Island is part of NYC is like saying San Fernando Valley is LA. I know enough about NYC to know that, local or not.

Strangest argument yet.

Yeah, I never said it wasn't technically in the city limits. Just that it's not near the heart of the city. More like a suburb or satellite city. New York was just originally Lower Manhattan and then Manhattan and into The Bronx until 1898 before they annexed "everything" east of New Jersey.

You can even tell in that map it's very distant from the other boroughs.

(03-07-2018 01:39 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:30 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Okay guy from Houston, tell us again how Rutgers isn't a NY team as they literally sit in the NYC TV market. A half hour drive from campus and you're in Manhattan. Keep those P6 dreams alive though.

Google Maps says 1 hour and 3 mins at this moment. Rutgers is NJ's team not NY's team

lol thats because there's a snowstorm right now.

And there is no way...you are getting to MSG from Rutgers in 30 mins other than 3am with a radar detector

BTW, up to 1 hour and 11 mins now...guess the snow picked up. LOL

yup its coming down pretty hard now and starting to stick. I've made it in 30 mins before, and yes 3am. Traffic is a *****, what can you say.

Here is what I don't understand... Why are people doubting what people who either live in or know the market know.

New Yorker's love winners... PERIOD. Loser's suck, winner's are adopted as ours.. When Rutgers wins, they are NYC team... Why? Because for Football there is no other team, and they are televised into this market as NYC's College Football team.
People who never went to college will follow a local winner like sheep... Alumni will always stick to their school. Notre Dame, and Syracuse have their followers for obvious reasons, but those with no allegiance follow the LOCAL winners.. when they win, and they become a talk on the talk radio, etc. History has proven that, and there is no reason to argue about a drive to NYC from NJ which sports fans do when it's appropriate, but not to the Garden. You take the train.... duh

Basketball is in this order St. Johns, and then Seton Hall or Rutgers, provided who's got the winning swagger.. This year in Basketball Rutgers beat St. John in an pre season game, and RU beat Seton Hall in a non conference game.. regardless, in BB it all depends on who we can brag about.

Why we are talking about driving to the garden is Ridiculous as an argument. Because NO ONE drives to Madison Square Garden OR the Barclays Center in Brooklyn . Both are built on a TRAIN station. PS.. no parking or tail gate.. ha ha!

For any idiot that wants to troll about it needs to understand everyone catches the TRAIN... some to work others to play... It's the train that makes the metro area what it is.. would some of you give it up.....

New York is a what have you done lately town.. Win and you are our's ... If you don't understand that we are tired of telling you. When Rutgers wins, and that's a big if considering the new competition it faces in the Big 10 East, they will be accepted as NYC's team... Get over it... When they don't win, they at least provide the powers that be in the Big 10 with a Power 5 conference whipping boy to register a win for the polls.

It's a win win for the Big 10. Lovable losers help the metro market TV placement, and provide a footprint for Big Alumni to both go to games, and drive the TV ratings.. When Rutgers does win, such as the hot streak last week, the Garden and the Metro NYC TV ratings move the needle to the Plus side for the Big 10 and it's network. When they paint the Empire State Building in red, they are advertising the fact that people out side of here don't understand.

Are we NYC's team... YES win they establish a proven record of winning. As losers, they just support the foot print.... PERIOD..

Which then by extension means New York is not a Rutgers town. Other than women's basketball and under Schiano, when has Rutgers ever won to get nationally noticed? 1976?

So, I think it's fair to say Rutgers is not NYC's team.

(03-07-2018 09:49 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Which then by extension means New York is not a Rutgers town. Other than women's basketball and under Schiano, when has Rutgers ever won to get nationally noticed? 1976?

So, I think it's fair to say Rutgers is not NYC's team.

That's funny last week they were.... At least that's what all the B10 announcers were saying.

Oh and by the way .. "johnny it's time for you to come up from the basement and get off the computer... it's bedtime and mommy needs to do the laundry"... oh the small minds have to try make their point...

Rochester, Rutgers is NY's college basketball team now?

What F'ing planet do you live on?

I can name 10 teams with a higher profile in NYC than Rutgers.

(03-07-2018 10:11 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:49 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Which then by extension means New York is not a Rutgers town. Other than women's basketball and under Schiano, when has Rutgers ever won to get nationally noticed? 1976?

So, I think it's fair to say Rutgers is not NYC's team.

That's funny last week they were.... At least that's what all the B10 announcers were saying.

Oh and by the way .. "johnny it's time for you to come up from the basement and get off the computer... it's bedtime and mommy needs to do the laundry"... oh the small minds have to try make their point...

I already conceded that I don't live up there, so I guess you win, even against all logic.

(03-07-2018 10:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Rochester, Rutgers is NY's college basketball team now?

What F'ing planet do you live on?

I can name 10 teams with a higher profile in NYC than Rutgers.

We need to remind the youth on how to read..

"Last" week they were....

when it counted for the Big 10 during their first tournament in the Big Apple.. When the TV audience was desired and needed to help drive the ratings during those early tournament games, and to help pad the crowd for the the Friday Quarterfinals.. so yes... they were NYC's team last week... and NY'er's loved it. Sorry you missed it.

And will be so again, IF they can win and compete regularly which is what they (Big 10 Officials, and network) are saying..... others would agree also, but heck you know more than they all do.. ha ha ha... NOT!!

(03-07-2018 10:59 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 10:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Rochester, Rutgers is NY's college basketball team now?

What F'ing planet do you live on?

I can name 10 teams with a higher profile in NYC than Rutgers.

We need to remind the youth on how to read..

"Last" week they were....

when it counted for the Big 10 during their first tournament in the Big Apple.. When the TV audience was desired and needed to help drive the ratings during those early tournament games, and to help pad the crowd for the the Friday Quarterfinals.. so yes... they were NYC's team last week... and NY'er's loved it. Sorry you missed it.

And will be so again, IF they can win and compete regularly which is what they (Big 10 Officials, and network) are saying..... others would agree also, but heck you know more than they all do.. ha ha ha... NOT!!

You wrote this: Basketball is in this order St. Johns, and then Seton Hall or Rutgers, provided who's got the winning swagger.. This year in Basketball Rutgers beat St. John in an pre season game, and RU beat Seton Hall in a non conference game.. regardless, in BB it all depends on who we can brag about.

That is what I was referring too.

(03-07-2018 11:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 10:59 PM)ruinrochester Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 10:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Rochester, Rutgers is NY's college basketball team now?

What F'ing planet do you live on?

I can name 10 teams with a higher profile in NYC than Rutgers.

We need to remind the youth on how to read..

"Last" week they were....

when it counted for the Big 10 during their first tournament in the Big Apple.. When the TV audience was desired and needed to help drive the ratings during those early tournament games, and to help pad the crowd for the the Friday Quarterfinals.. so yes... they were NYC's team last week... and NY'er's loved it. Sorry you missed it.

And will be so again, IF they can win and compete regularly which is what they (Big 10 Officials, and network) are saying..... others would agree also, but heck you know more than they all do.. ha ha ha... NOT!!

You wrote this: Basketball is in this order St. Johns, and then Seton Hall or Rutgers, provided who's got the winning swagger.. This year in Basketball Rutgers beat St. John in an pre season game, and RU beat Seton Hall in a non conference game.. regardless, in BB it all depends on who we can brag about.

That is what I was referring too.

Good point.. This is a bandwagon town.. with millions and millions of people over the metro area.. get hot and win, and they jump on... become a consistent winner, and they stay longer, but with the size of our population, even those "rides" move the needle in comparison to other markets.. Rutgers has done that in the past, and the Big 10 got a taste last week. It was no accident why they were chosen to join the B10. That "home market" TV area cable pricing was a huge help in an increase in revenue for the B10. But honestly there is no "combination" of Football and Basketball in NY/NJ that does that other than Rutgers. the other local colleges don't have that combination and that's the value Rutgers brings to the B10.