I don't see how the "slowly bring the ball up, pass it around the outside, then chuck up a desperate three" offense is a better alternative.

(02-20-2018 10:55 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I honestly think part of the poor shooting is the decision to just ignore offense. We hardly run sets for shooters and solely rely on unselfish ball. Make the right pass, and take the best shot, no matter what guy has the ball. Screw that, how about you try and dictate the defense and get the exact shot you want for the shooter you want? We run exactly 1 set for our shooters and we barely run it. So little action below the top of the key if we aren't getting post touches.

i dont think mick thinks we have the players to run offense like that. this is a direct quote from last nights coaches show

"we don't have the shooting, we're not an elite shooting team. we don't have the players that can run 37 set plays in a game. thats not who we are, we would be a bad team if we tried to play that way."

Yeah Mick....37 sets.....you don't even have 5 from what I've seen!

(02-20-2018 10:55 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I honestly think part of the poor shooting is the decision to just ignore offense. We hardly run sets for shooters and solely rely on unselfish ball. Make the right pass, and take the best shot, no matter what guy has the ball. Screw that, how about you try and dictate the defense and get the exact shot you want for the shooter you want? We run exactly 1 set for our shooters and we barely run it. So little action below the top of the key if we aren't getting post touches.

i dont think mick thinks we have the players to run offense like that. this is a direct quote from last nights coaches show

"we don't have the shooting, we're not an elite shooting team. we don't have the players that can run 37 set plays in a game. thats not who we are, we would be a bad team if we tried to play that way."

And yet he refuses to recruit or even attempt to recruit these kind of players.

(02-19-2018 09:33 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:40 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I guess my take on the game after sleeping on it,

-WS legit team. I was impressed by how physical they were. I knew they were good, but much bigger and physical than i expected. Definitely deeper than Uc in the shooting dept.
-We had success coming back when we spread the floor aka Nova and let Broome beat guys off the dribble. Why that was pretty much abandoned once we got within a possession was kind of mind boggling. We seemed to resort right back to what was not working which was Cumberland and Evans dribbling into the defense.
-Again Evans, make your ft's down the stretch.Just a momentum killer the past two games.
-Clark was marginalized by their bigger guys. He's been very good, but he wasn't at his best yesterday.
-Unless they invest time in getting Broome minutes and shots, i do not think the results will be much different from recent history down the stretch. Evans and Cumberland stand their best chance of hitting open shots when they are kicked back to instead of trying to dribble their way into position to shoot. To much forcing in this offense. Frustrating given Broome has the quickness to create.

Some good points made above. Cronin has a tendency in important games when UC gets the lead or is within one or two points to slow the game down and go to the same old stagnant offense where we hold the ball for 26-27 seconds and then someone, usually Evans, is forced to create an off-balance shot 15 or more feet from the basket. How many times vs. Wichita did we see one Bearcat after another try to pass the ball to a teammate with only 2-3 seconds left on the shot clock? Of course, it's not just this year; this is the modus operendi we've employed for mick's entire tenure.

We don't run any recognized form of organized offense, instead relying on the players to score off their individual talent. On the other hand, the players often look tentative on offense, afraid to make a move until that last-second heave as the shot clock runs out. You can see that they are playing scared in fear of getting pulled if they make a mistake. Frankly, the team looked better when Larry Davis was acting HC.

You don't get anywhere in basketball playing scared and playing it safe. You have to be willing to gamble, and this is where the coach's support makes all the difference.

Not sure how you can watch basketball and say UC doesn't run organized offense. They run a ton of sets to get Clark and Washington post touches. Particularly with Washington they've been really good at getting him the ball in the right areas so that he has an easy turn for his hook shot. They will sometimes bring their bigs away from the basket and run something to get Evans posted...or clear out the lane for and Evans/Cumberland drive. They get a ton of open 3s every game, but running good stuff as well.

There are times they get a little bogged down... often those times seem to me when they are too committed to running a specific set and take too long to get it going when a good defense anticipates what they are doing, but it isn't because they aren't running offense.

(02-19-2018 03:28 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:42 PM)Fubar Wrote:  Disappointing, but I felt it was two good teams going at it. Never felt we were out of the game. Biggest disappointment was when a state player hit the floor and didn’t immediately get up. After he got over the daze he sucked it up and ran off to our student section booing him getting up quickly, all the while they had to come out and scrub blood off the floor afterwards. Just poor sportsmanship, I was embarrassed by our students

They weren't booing the player. Booing the refs

If the case I stand corrected.

Thought this was a fair article on the game.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...350743002/

(02-20-2018 10:55 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I honestly think part of the poor shooting is the decision to just ignore offense. We hardly run sets for shooters and solely rely on unselfish ball. Make the right pass, and take the best shot, no matter what guy has the ball. Screw that, how about you try and dictate the defense and get the exact shot you want for the shooter you want? We run exactly 1 set for our shooters and we barely run it. So little action below the top of the key if we aren't getting post touches.

i dont think mick thinks we have the players to run offense like that. this is a direct quote from last nights coaches show

"we don't have the shooting, we're not an elite shooting team. we don't have the players that can run 37 set plays in a game. thats not who we are, we would be a bad team if we tried to play that way."

So we only run3-4 set plays all game? I hope he doesn't believe we play uptempo style?

We flat out look HORRIBLE when Mick try force feed Clark and Evans individual stats. Easy final 4 team when we playing uptempo and getting everybody involved. Its pointless to bring our backups in game and we don't run them. Mick should learned even if this group does get down it has ability to come back against anybody.

(02-20-2018 12:11 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Not sure how you can watch basketball and say UC doesn't run organized offense. They run a ton of sets to get Clark and Washington post touches. Particularly with Washington they've been really good at getting him the ball in the right areas so that he has an easy turn for his hook shot. They will sometimes bring their bigs away from the basket and run something to get Evans posted...or clear out the lane for and Evans/Cumberland drive. They get a ton of open 3s every game, but running good stuff as well.

There are times they get a little bogged down... often those times seem to me when they are too committed to running a specific set and take too long to get it going when a good defense anticipates what they are doing, but it isn't because they aren't running offense.

I completely disagree that they run 'sets' to get Clark and Washington the ball. If the opponent has any sort of strength up front, Clark and Washington are getting the ball 15 feet from the hoop. They get pushed off the block and the post up offense becomes ineffective because Mick makes zero adjustments.

Maybe try a cross screen or even a duck in from the other big off of some ball screen action. It looks like Mick conditions these guys to throw the ball into a post up at any opportunity even if Clark is 17 feet from the hoop or Brooks is there as the shot clock winds down (this actually happened against WSU!!).

I don't think any would accuse Mick of being an adaptable coach. He is a hard headed coach that tries to fit his players to the system rather than the other way around. It is beyond frustrating to watch and it seems the story will end the same it always does: a loss to a team in the NCAAT team that has comparable talent.

Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

Hopefully this 10 straight days of no travel will really help the guys get their legs back

(02-20-2018 04:55 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Hopefully this 10 straight days of no travel will really help the guys get their legs back

Time will tell.

Other teams have played about the same number of games, home and road, and many would suggest UC has a longer bench than most of its opponents. I understand why the SMU players may be gassed with only six or seven available to play at this point. So if fatigue is truly the issue here, was this coaching staff unwilling or unable to allocate more minutes to the bench? Not sure either alternative provides a satisfying answer there.

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

(02-20-2018 08:33 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

who says we are midmajor? You? Ok. So. I say we aren't. Not in hoops anyway.

(02-20-2018 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:33 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

who says we are midmajor? You? Ok. So. I say we aren't. Not in hoops anyway.

I hear it all the time from national commentators and fans. Anyone can find a random grouping of teams down on their luck and ask if they would trade places.

(02-20-2018 08:46 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:33 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

who says we are midmajor? You? Ok. So. I say we aren't. Not in hoops anyway.

I hear it all the time from national commentators and fans. Anyone can find a random grouping of teams down on their luck and ask if they would trade places.

the teams I picked weren't really random...they are conference mates that all are normally great programs that are down right now and hating life.

(02-20-2018 08:48 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:46 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:33 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

who says we are midmajor? You? Ok. So. I say we aren't. Not in hoops anyway.

I hear it all the time from national commentators and fans. Anyone can find a random grouping of teams down on their luck and ask if they would trade places.

the teams I picked weren't really random...they are conference mates that all are normally great programs that are down right now and hating life.

Sounds like a Bengals apologist saying "hey look at the Browns!". Who gives a sh*t about Memphis? They suck, and I know their fans arent happy., go check their message board.

As far the Bearcats go, I think most UC fans agree that we'd like to start winning big games, and winning some more in February/March. If they dont, well life will go on, but that's what we all want.

(02-20-2018 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:33 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Why do several of you insist on calling Mick 'hard headed'??? What are you basing that on? He is running the program, the defense, the offense, etc. the best he knows how in a way that he feels gives him and his team the best chance to win. We are Ranked 11th and have an elite level of defense. Its really easy to sit here and 'arm chair quarterback' this thing but the guy is getting paid a lot of money to run things the best way he knows how. We have been to 7 straight NCAA's, we are ranked in the top 11 right now and have as good a shot as most anybody to make a run in the ncaa.

Given our current ranking, record, metrics, and etc. I fail to see a 'hard headed man' running the show. lol.

Go to Memphis, Temple, UCONN and ask if they would like their team to be where we are....

I like that last part .. "go to Memphis, Temple, Uconn and ask if they would like their team to be where we are ."

While we are at it ... ask UNC, Eggs, Mich St, osu or Duke if they like to be UC and see what is the answer?

UC is what it is .. a midmajor now. Partially due to the conference, however mainly due to the results over a 13 yr span.

who says we are midmajor? You? Ok. So. I say we aren't. Not in hoops anyway.

In Mick era we on midmajor level. I want the days back where midnight madness was on ESPN with dick vitale calling our PRACTICE!!!

(02-20-2018 11:15 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  In Mick era we on midmajor level. I want the days back where midnight madness was on ESPN with dick vitale calling our PRACTICE!!!

As long as we don't go back to my days in school when Tony Yates was coach. You talk about teams that didn't know how to run offense. They were the masters.

Mid-major is fluid and undefined. Some talking heads now regard any non-P5 as mid-major. That's nonsense. By that definition, two of the last four national champions were mid-majors (Villanova, UCONN).

There's a thread on one of the Louisville boards about hiring Chris Mack and many of the comments suggest it's a great move for him from "mid-major" X to the ACC. So that's a perception of X and the new Big East from just 100 miles away?

I'm no cheerleader for the AAC and like many believe UC must keep pushing toward the P5. But AAC bashing has certainly become fashionable among our local media (James Rapien, Ken Broo for example on the rare occasions I hear either one). Three top 25 teams right now (just two from the new Big East); three in yesterday's tournament bracket by Lunardi compared with just two from the high profile Pac 12 in that same projection.

Bottom line: mid-major doesn't apply to UC basketball; or broadly to the AAC or the new Big East.