If Penny and Damon are the two options, there is no reason not to choose Penny. Damon hasn't exactly proven anything at Pacific to be worthy of our job just like Penny hasn't.

(02-16-2018 06:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 06:35 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  He's .500 in his second year and they won't be much better next year. That's a three year rebuild. Do we want that? Nope. I like the guy but we got to get it done quick with the next guy.

While admitting that I'm not a regular viewer of the Pacific Tigers, Damon was 4-14 in conference last season, and this season is 9-6 and 4th in the WCC, and the WCC has Gonzaga at #9 and St. Mary's at #15. Lost to both of them twice already, so take those out and Pacific is 9-2. Win the last 3, and Pacific goes 12-6 in the WCC in year two. Would say that is impressive.

If you take out his other 2 losses, he's undefeated in conference play. Now that's really impressive!

(02-16-2018 09:04 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 06:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 06:35 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  He's .500 in his second year and they won't be much better next year. That's a three year rebuild. Do we want that? Nope. I like the guy but we got to get it done quick with the next guy.

While admitting that I'm not a regular viewer of the Pacific Tigers, Damon was 4-14 in conference last season, and this season is 9-6 and 4th in the WCC, and the WCC has Gonzaga at #9 and St. Mary's at #15. Lost to both of them twice already, so take those out and Pacific is 9-2. Win the last 3, and Pacific goes 12-6 in the WCC in year two. Would say that is impressive.

If you take out his other 2 losses, he's undefeated in confence play. Now that's really impressive!

(02-16-2018 07:00 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  I'm on the Penny bandwagon. He's a smart guy with humility. He would get it done here.

Penny is a legend to me, and probably the only athlete where I would still be awed to meet.

Having said that, square this circle:
1. He has humility.
2. He would take the HC, but no assistant gig, with no D1 experience.

I love Penny, but those two lines seem to not match in my reckoning.

I am pro Damon Stoudamire.

hire Phil Jackson as HC with Bobby Knight as Asst Head Coach and Penny as recruiting coordinator!!!!![/rollseyes]

I'm in the no thanks crowd on this one.

How many times and ways has it been said that Penny will not take assistant position here-----not by myself but many others.

(02-16-2018 09:04 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 06:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 06:35 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  He's .500 in his second year and they won't be much better next year. That's a three year rebuild. Do we want that? Nope. I like the guy but we got to get it done quick with the next guy.

While admitting that I'm not a regular viewer of the Pacific Tigers, Damon was 4-14 in conference last season, and this season is 9-6 and 4th in the WCC, and the WCC has Gonzaga at #9 and St. Mary's at #15. Lost to both of them twice already, so take those out and Pacific is 9-2. Win the last 3, and Pacific goes 12-6 in the WCC in year two. Would say that is impressive.

If you take out his other 2 losses, he's undefeated in conference play. Now that's really impressive!

LOL

Wow Parrish really has a lot of influence over Tiger fans.

(02-16-2018 09:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  hire Phil Jackson as HC with Bobby Knight as Asst Head Coach and Penny as recruiting coordinator!!!!![/rollseyes]

LOL----but the general would want us to hire his son---oh wait

Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

That would require a level of Machiavellian scheming that (for good or ill) that I think is not in the wheelhouse of our current Athletic Department.

What our team has been able to do for FB is great, and I think, even with the BB failures recently, our current leadership is a net positive.

Having said that, it seems they try to make the straight forward decision without a ton of savvy. I think having this process in re: Penny is probably not in character with the players in the room, at least the way I see it.

I'm still stuck on how Hardaway is getting mentioned as an ASSISTANT at UK, but would only take the HEAD job at his alma mater. Hell, it actually might be great if he DID take the UK job, we roll with the Tubbs for one more terrible season and then at least Penny has experience with some control of a program at the D1 level...

(02-16-2018 11:19 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

That would require a level of Machiavellian scheming that (for good or ill) that I think is not in the wheelhouse of our current Athletic Department.

What our team has been able to do for FB is great, and I think, even with the BB failures recently, our current leadership is a net positive.

Having said that, it seems they try to make the straight forward decision without a ton of savvy. I think having this process in re: Penny is probably not in character with the players in the room, at least the way I see it.

I'm still stuck on how Hardaway is getting mentioned as an ASSISTANT at UK, but would only take the HEAD job at his alma mater. Hell, it actually might be great if he DID take the UK job, we roll with the Tubbs for one more terrible season and then at least Penny has experience with some control of a program at the D1 level...

our CURRENT Athletic department is not clever enough? Are you implying that our FORMER AD had any inclination to plan anything out --- except lunch of course...

I think our current Admin is sweating. lol

As well they should be.

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

I think our current AD doesn't have the first clue about big time college basketball.

(02-16-2018 11:38 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

I think our current AD doesn't have the first clue about big time college basketball.

They would have to be the stupidest people in town if they are so out of touch that they are unaware that Penny can bring in his players. The whole city and now people outside the city know and are talking about it, and writing about it.

(02-16-2018 11:38 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

I think our current AD doesn't have the first clue about big time college basketball.

I endorse this message.

(02-16-2018 11:26 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:19 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Anybody have the belief that the administration absolutely doesn't know what to do about Penny and would (if forced to make a decision) NOT choose Penny if they fired Tubby. So, in an effort to delay that decision (and let the class that would be Penny's to deliver choose other schools) they would effectively eliminate the main reason to hire Penny.

They would then accomplish:

1) Firing Tubs w/ only about $6MM left on his contract.
2) Firing Tubs w/little to no doubt and/or argument about the need to fire him.
3) Allow "Penny's recruits" to commit elsewhere so hiring Penny isn't the hot take choice.

That would require a level of Machiavellian scheming that (for good or ill) that I think is not in the wheelhouse of our current Athletic Department.

What our team has been able to do for FB is great, and I think, even with the BB failures recently, our current leadership is a net positive.

Having said that, it seems they try to make the straight forward decision without a ton of savvy. I think having this process in re: Penny is probably not in character with the players in the room, at least the way I see it.

I'm still stuck on how Hardaway is getting mentioned as an ASSISTANT at UK, but would only take the HEAD job at his alma mater. Hell, it actually might be great if he DID take the UK job, we roll with the Tubbs for one more terrible season and then at least Penny has experience with some control of a program at the D1 level...

our CURRENT Athletic department is not clever enough? Are you implying that our FORMER AD had any inclination to plan anything out --- except lunch of course...

That is not my implication.
Notice the work choice of Machiavellian.

My assertion is that this would strike me as not in the style of the current administration. Style question, not one of intelligence.

Your mileage may vary.

Go get another TTU coach - Chris Beard. He's proven in now two college jobs.