South Carolina fans I heard your AD said the 2020-2021 home and home were still a go. Is this correct? When does the SEC release the schedules for those yeas?

(08-15-2017 03:11 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  South Carolina fans I heard your AD said the 2020-2021 home and home were still a go. Is this correct? When does the SEC release the schedules for those yeas?

Considering the fact that we're scheduled to go there first, I figure we'll get word on that sometime around October 10th 2020 at 6:46pm.

Missouri seems like they are game lately? How bout it guys? 2 for 1? You'll get a chance to avenge your loss from 1983.

ECU is finally conference mates with Florida. In Lax at least. Hey, its a start

(08-15-2017 03:11 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  South Carolina fans I heard your AD said the 2020-2021 home and home were still a go. Is this correct? When does the SEC release the schedules for those yeas?

The conference opponents are already known, the only thing left to be determined are dates.

2020:

Home: Tennessee, Georgia, Texas A&M, Missouri
Away: Vandy, Kentucky, LSU, Florida
Non Conference: East Carolina, @Clemson

2021:

Home: Vandy, Kentucky, Florida, Miss St
Away: Tennessee, Georgia, Texas A&M, Missouri
Non Conference: Clemson, @ECU

Carolina like to play one road/neutral site out of conference every year, so that 2021 game is probably safe as long as we don't go out and schedule someone for a neutral site game.

Atlanta is already off the table and UNC is already booked for 2019 and 2023, so I doubt we'd schedule them again in Charlotte. NC State already has a game scheduled @ Miss St on 9/11/21 so they'd be off the table too. Short of getting UVA/Wake/Duke or someone else in Charlotte I don't see that game being cancelled.

(10-11-2017 05:24 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  ECU is finally conference mates with Florida. In Lax at least. Hey, its a start

Don't forget Vandy........damn I already forgot Vandy.

(10-24-2017 07:58 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 05:24 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  ECU is finally conference mates with Florida. In Lax at least. Hey, its a start

Don't forget Vandy........damn I already forgot Vandy.

Wow, I cant believe I forgot Vandy. I just feel more attached to Florida Gators as conf mates. Sorry Vanderbuilt, I am glad to be with you in w. Lax too!

UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

We know. It's not greatly different at N.C. State.

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

If you are asking Sankey, it would rank UNC, Duke and NCSU. Regardless of what a few dedicated fans on forums might think, The SEC just isn’t going to make a SCAR level investment anymore. Even if the SEC wanted ECU, the WWL would be to the move as it has the potential to harm their ACC investment.

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

(02-13-2018 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

Valid points - anything other than immediate economic reasons? Long-term value over NC/NCSU/DUKE/WAKE? Short-term and long-term competitiveness in football, basketball, or third-sports? Seriously asking.

(02-13-2018 04:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

Valid points - anything other than immediate economic reasons? Long-term value over NC/NCSU/DUKE/WAKE? Short-term and long-term competitiveness in football, basketball, or third-sports? Seriously asking.

I'm not going to pretend that anyone would be added for non-economic reasons. That said, we're already competitive against the in-state football teams (won last 2 against Chapel Hill and last 3 against NC State), with half the athletic budget of those teams. With a half-SEC share of revenue, and the recruits that come with membership, we would consistently be the best (and likely most watched) team in the state within 5 years.

(02-15-2018 09:04 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC is lowering their stadium capacity to 51,000. In 2019 we will have a larger stadium then UNC (the so called flagship of NC). FYI this is no surprise no matter what UNC reports as "ticket sales" they have averaged around 30,000-45,000 fans a game.

Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

Valid points - anything other than immediate economic reasons? Long-term value over NC/NCSU/DUKE/WAKE? Short-term and long-term competitiveness in football, basketball, or third-sports? Seriously asking.

I'm not going to pretend that anyone would be added for non-economic reasons. That said, we're already competitive against the in-state football teams (won last 2 against Chapel Hill and last 3 against NC State), with half the athletic budget of those teams. With a half-SEC share of revenue, and the recruits that come with membership, we would consistently be the best (and likely most watched) team in the state within 5 years.

Thank you but that wasn’t exactly what I said. Maybe I wasn’t clear - the immediate economic reasons (no huge edit fee and willingness to take a small share for a few years) can’t be all. I also said long-term value which I intended to mean was how will ECU bring value to the SEC that would make them worth the add? Sincere question

(02-15-2018 09:34 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 09:04 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 04:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Serious question: if the SEC were to be able to pick any school in North Carolina, why should the conference choose East Carolina over each of: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, and Wake Forest?

I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

Valid points - anything other than immediate economic reasons? Long-term value over NC/NCSU/DUKE/WAKE? Short-term and long-term competitiveness in football, basketball, or third-sports? Seriously asking.

I'm not going to pretend that anyone would be added for non-economic reasons. That said, we're already competitive against the in-state football teams (won last 2 against Chapel Hill and last 3 against NC State), with half the athletic budget of those teams. With a half-SEC share of revenue, and the recruits that come with membership, we would consistently be the best (and likely most watched) team in the state within 5 years.

Thank you but that wasn’t exactly what I said. Maybe I wasn’t clear - the immediate economic reasons (no huge edit fee and willingness to take a small share for a few years) can’t be all. I also said long-term value which I intended to mean was how will ECU bring value to the SEC that would make them worth the add? Sincere question

Actually, I don't think it's crazy to say that ECU would add long term value to the SEC.

The trouble is that it's not that cut and dry. There are a host of political questions that would surround a move like that.

1. We have to be honest and say that the SEC would prefer either North Carolina or NC State...brand value and economics. As long as that option remains a possibility then it behooves the SEC to wait on ECU.

2. The state of NC is a pretty good size, but it's not as huge as TX or FL either. The networks have limited upside from adding another Power level school to the mix using NC as a a home market. As it stands, Wake Forest isn't worth what they're being paid.

3. The value of ECU in and of itself is not assured. The football attendance numbers are impressive quite frankly. Getting that many people to show up consistently for that schedule when in direct competition with 4 other Power schools in your state is nothing to sneeze at. It speaks to the loyalty of that community to the school. With that said, ECU is still not a flagship level institution and, when push comes to shove, will not have all the advantages that a standard flagship will have. That's partly an academic issue although ECU is ranked nationally which gives them an advantage over most G5s. It's also partly a penetration and branding issue as UNC and NC State would have an immediate leg up should they decide to invest more heavily in athletic success. In short, I think a key factor in ECU's ability to garner a nice fan base is the fact that the other NC schools have fallen down on the job.

4. Should the SEC take ECU and another NC school become available then what sort of bind might that put the SEC in? Would we be asked to take another or perhaps be asked to take the whole Research Triangle?

These are just my thoughts, but I think all of these are contingencies we have to keep in mind.

(02-15-2018 02:22 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 09:34 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 09:04 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I can come up with 2:
1. ECU wouldn't have a huge exit fee to overcome
2. ECU would probably agree to some ridiculous, half revenue share for the first ten years, agreement

Valid points - anything other than immediate economic reasons? Long-term value over NC/NCSU/DUKE/WAKE? Short-term and long-term competitiveness in football, basketball, or third-sports? Seriously asking.

I'm not going to pretend that anyone would be added for non-economic reasons. That said, we're already competitive against the in-state football teams (won last 2 against Chapel Hill and last 3 against NC State), with half the athletic budget of those teams. With a half-SEC share of revenue, and the recruits that come with membership, we would consistently be the best (and likely most watched) team in the state within 5 years.

Thank you but that wasn’t exactly what I said. Maybe I wasn’t clear - the immediate economic reasons (no huge edit fee and willingness to take a small share for a few years) can’t be all. I also said long-term value which I intended to mean was how will ECU bring value to the SEC that would make them worth the add? Sincere question

Actually, I don't think it's crazy to say that ECU would add long term value to the SEC.

The trouble is that it's not that cut and dry. There are a host of political questions that would surround a move like that.

1. We have to be honest and say that the SEC would prefer either North Carolina or NC State...brand value and economics. As long as that option remains a possibility then it behooves the SEC to wait on ECU.

2. The state of NC is a pretty good size, but it's not as huge as TX or FL either. The networks have limited upside from adding another Power level school to the mix using NC as a a home market. As it stands, Wake Forest isn't worth what they're being paid.

3. The value of ECU in and of itself is not assured. The football attendance numbers are impressive quite frankly. Getting that many people to show up consistently for that schedule when in direct competition with 4 other Power schools in your state is nothing to sneeze at. It speaks to the loyalty of that community to the school. With that said, ECU is still not a flagship level institution and, when push comes to shove, will not have all the advantages that a standard flagship will have. That's partly an academic issue although ECU is ranked nationally which gives them an advantage over most G5s. It's also partly a penetration and branding issue as UNC and NC State would have an immediate leg up should they decide to invest more heavily in athletic success. In short, I think a key factor in ECU's ability to garner a nice fan base is the fact that the other NC schools have fallen down on the job.

4. Should the SEC take ECU and another NC school become available then what sort of bind might that put the SEC in? Would we be asked to take another or perhaps be asked to take the whole Research Triangle?

These are just my thoughts, but I think all of these are contingencies we have to keep in mind.

There's a bigger issue, the Networks. They are red rumped already for having to pay P rates for 4 North Carolina schools. For a State the size of North Carolina two are ample, but given the gravitas of Duke 3 is workable. They aren't paying out any more to have access to this state. They would like to cut Wake. And even with all of their national brand recognition Duke doesn't bring much to the table for the money sport.

So even if the SEC were willing to take a flyer on East Carolina the ones that pay the bills would say "Nyet". So it simply won't happen because it isn't a conference decision. If the networks decided they don't want to pay for it, it's not happening.

ECU just doesn't offer much to the SEC period, if the goal is to maximize revenue then UNC is the only school that gets you closest to that figure followed by NCSU

(02-15-2018 07:18 PM)mj4life Wrote:  ECU just doesn't offer much to the SEC period, if the goal is to maximize revenue then UNC is the only school that gets you closest to that figure followed by NCSU

If UNC were available without a huge financial hurdle, then that would open up the door for Clemson, Florida State, VT, Miami, Louisville, GT, who would all be more favorable gets than UNC.

(02-16-2018 04:54 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 07:18 PM)mj4life Wrote:  ECU just doesn't offer much to the SEC period, if the goal is to maximize revenue then UNC is the only school that gets you closest to that figure followed by NCSU

If UNC were available without a huge financial hurdle, then that would open up the door for Clemson, Florida State, VT, Miami, Louisville, GT, who would all be more favorable gets than UNC.

Louisville,GT & VT are debatable. Either way we are talking about whether or not ECU adds value & it just doesn't

(02-16-2018 04:54 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 07:18 PM)mj4life Wrote:  ECU just doesn't offer much to the SEC period, if the goal is to maximize revenue then UNC is the only school that gets you closest to that figure followed by NCSU

If UNC were available without a huge financial hurdle, then that would open up the door for Clemson, Florida State, VT, Miami, Louisville, GT, who would all be more favorable gets than UNC.

Depending on how things fall, the SEC might still want someone from NC if the ACC is collapsing. The question would be who and how many can we take.