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2/5 Rankings: UC #6, WSU #22, Houston Receiving Votes
AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (48) 22-1 1,608
2 Virginia (16) 22-1 1,572
3 Purdue (1) 23-2 1,500
4 Michigan State 22-3 1,407
5 Xavier 21-3 1,350
6 Cincinnati 21-2 1,305
7 Texas Tech 19-4 1,182
8 Auburn 21-2 1,138
9 Duke 19-4 1,075
10 Kansas 18-5 1,015
11 Saint Mary's 23-2 895
12 Gonzaga 21-4 851
13 Arizona 19-5 816
14 Ohio State 20-5 747
15 Tennessee 17-5 739
16 Clemson 19-4 720
17 Oklahoma 16-6 636
18 Rhode Island 19-3 486
19 West Virginia 17-6 457
20 Michigan 19-6 331
21 North Carolina 17-7 304
22 Wichita State 17-5 295
23 Nevada 20-4 205
24 Kentucky 17-6 133
25 Miami 17-5 76

Others receiving votes: Butler 65, Washington 54, Florida State 27, New Mexico State 23, Seton Hall 20, Creighton 18, Arizona State 17, Texas 15, NC State 12, Alabama 8, Middle Tennessee 6, Nebraska 4, Florida 3, Houston 3, TCU 3, Oklahoma State 2, East Tennessee State 1, Vermont 1
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Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.
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(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

Xavier beat them by double figures, Michigan State's 3 losses are to #9, #14, and #20, Purdue is better than UC, Virginia is quite literally a better version of UC, and Villanova is better than UC. Who should they have jumped?

I'm far more distinctly angry that all bracket prognosticators have us as a 3 or 4, behind teams like Kansas and Auburn.
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(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.
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(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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RE: 2/5 Rankings: UC #6, WSU #22, Houston Receiving Votes
6 is fine for UC. Probably exactly what they are. 1-3 are obvious... After that you can make a case for a lot of teams. Kenpom has it Duke, Cincinnati Michigan State (BIG GAP) then several others. Sagarin has it Michigan State (decent gap), Kansas, Cincinnati, West Virginia Duke then several others. Xavier probably isn't as good as their ranking, but their wins and the fact that they've managed to pull out every one of their close games late has made their ranking completely reasonable. Xavier is 8-0 in games decided by 7 points or less. That is an insane stat. It's why their kenpom luck number is so high. They've literally won every close game they've had.
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(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we are we still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.

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Yeah, weakest ever.

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(02-05-2018 12:39 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  6 is fine for UC. Probably exactly what they are. 1-3 are obvious... After that you can make a case for a lot of teams. Kenpom has it Duke, Cincinnati Michigan State (BIG GAP) then several others. Sagarin has it Michigan State (decent gap), Kansas, Cincinnati, West Virginia Duke then several others. Xavier probably isn't as good as their ranking, but their wins and the fact that they've managed to pull out every one of their close games late has made their ranking completely reasonable. Xavier is 8-0 in games decided by 7 points or less. That is an insane stat. It's why their kenpom luck number is so high. They've literally won every close game they've had.

Including an OT game where they didn't make a field goal 03-lmfao
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(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.
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(02-05-2018 12:39 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  6 is fine for UC. Probably exactly what they are. 1-3 are obvious... After that you can make a case for a lot of teams. Kenpom has it Duke, Cincinnati Michigan State (BIG GAP) then several others. Sagarin has it Michigan State (decent gap), Kansas, Cincinnati, West Virginia Duke then several others. Xavier probably isn't as good as their ranking, but their wins and the fact that they've managed to pull out every one of their close games late has made their ranking completely reasonable. Xavier is 8-0 in games decided by 7 points or less. That is an insane stat. It's why their kenpom luck number is so high. They've literally won every close game they've had.

Having a guy like Blueitt makes it more reasonable for them to be winning close games. Teams with players like that are always more likely to win those games, though it's still unlikely that they have the perfect record that they do.
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(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.

I'm not there yet. I still have a grasp on objectivity, but it is tenuous.

You'd have to walk a mile in a Shocker's shoes to feel what we feel. A typical Shocker team (by typical I mean what we have been enjoying the last half decade) would have beaten the Temple team I watched on television the other day by 30. Yes, yes... I know Temple has beaten some solid teams at different points in the year. But the Temple team I watched the other evening would have been beaten into submission... similar to what we did to Houston at home.

We've shown flashes of our old self this year, but mostly it's been on and off, on and off, like a flickering light bulb nearing the end of its journey.

The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.


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(02-05-2018 01:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.

I'm not there yet. I still have a grasp on objectivity, but it is tenuous.

You'd have to walk a mile in a Shocker's shoes to feel what we feel. A typical Shocker team (by typical I mean what we have been enjoying the last half decade) would have beaten the Temple team I watched on television the other day by 30. Yes, yes... I know Temple has beaten some solid teams at different points in the year. But the Temple team I watched the other evening would have been beaten into submission... similar to what we did to Houston at home.

We've shown flashes of our old self this year, but mostly it's been on and off, on and off, like a flickering light bulb nearing the end of its journey.

The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.

Just to be clear...a typical Wichita State team would be more like last year's team than this year's team, right?
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(02-05-2018 01:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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...03-cool

I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.

I'm not there yet. I still have a grasp on objectivity, but it is tenuous.

You'd have to walk a mile in a Shocker's shoes to feel what we feel. A typical Shocker team (by typical I mean what we have been enjoying the last half decade) would have beaten the Temple team I watched on television the other day by 30. Yes, yes... I know Temple has beaten some solid teams at different points in the year. But the Temple team I watched the other evening would have been beaten into submission... similar to what we did to Houston at home.

We've shown flashes of our old self this year, but mostly it's been on and off, on and off, like a flickering light bulb nearing the end of its journey.

The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.

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Nothing screams nouveau riche like justifying your place at the big boy table based upon a "half decade", or five whole years.
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(02-05-2018 01:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.


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Sorta like when Wichita first got into this league a Shocker poster made the statement that AAC teams had never seen a coach like Marshall (they've seen Huggins, Brown, Cronin, Calhoun, Calipari, etc.), nor have they ever seen an arena like Koch. Many teams have been there and done that. Good coaches, good basketball, or good arenas didn't spring into existence when Wichita became a good team 5 years ago.

You discredit your team when you make statements like the above. Maybe you're just a clever Creighton fan mocking the Wichita fanbase?
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(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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Not as weak as when they had Wichita at 6 earlier this year.
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(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.

Well whaddya know. CB and I find agreement. With his second point...

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I was hoping Houston would get more than 3 votes. At least close enough so they maybe, perhaps, possibly get ranked at some point late in the season provided they go on a run.

Beating everyone but Memphis of course.
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(02-05-2018 01:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.

I'm not there yet. I still have a grasp on objectivity, but it is tenuous.

You'd have to walk a mile in a Shocker's shoes to feel what we feel. A typical Shocker team (by typical I mean what we have been enjoying the last half decade) would have beaten the Temple team I watched on television the other day by 30. Yes, yes... I know Temple has beaten some solid teams at different points in the year. But the Temple team I watched the other evening would have been beaten into submission... similar to what we did to Houston at home.

We've shown flashes of our old self this year, but mostly it's been on and off, on and off, like a flickering light bulb nearing the end of its journey.

The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.


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Reading this post gets to the crux of the problem. You are not used to quality basketball. You do not see the nuances between AAC and Mvc athletes. When Rose was elevating over you Thursday, you harken back to the Mvc set shot shooter. I bet you believe that George Miken and the Minneapolis Lakers would beat the contemporary LA Lakers. Well good luck, you have been exposed.
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(02-05-2018 01:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


T


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I see we've reached the stage in the tantrum where we are tearing everybody else down now.

I'm not there yet. I still have a grasp on objectivity, but it is tenuous.

You'd have to walk a mile in a Shocker's shoes to feel what we feel. A typical Shocker team (by typical I mean what we have been enjoying the last half decade) would have beaten the Temple team I watched on television the other day by 30. Yes, yes... I know Temple has beaten some solid teams at different points in the year. But the Temple team I watched the other evening would have been beaten into submission... similar to what we did to Houston at home.

We've shown flashes of our old self this year, but mostly it's been on and off, on and off, like a flickering light bulb nearing the end of its journey.

The vast majority in this conference have seen maybe half a dozen Shocker games over the years. Frankly, you all are not even qualified to speak on the issue of what the Shockers can and can't do. We KNOW what all of the AAC teams have done over the last half decade save for UConn... and that's nothing.


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Don't you have anyone you can talk to outside of this board? You just clog up the board with your ridiculous ramblings.07-coffee3
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RE: 2/5 Rankings: UC #6, WSU #22, Houston Receiving Votes
(02-05-2018 12:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)geef Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 12:31 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Cincinnati only moved up to 6 ? That's crap.

It's where we should be. We're closer to 5 than to 7, and the team at 5 (Xavier) beat us earlier this year. All good.

Not just beat, destroyed. Perhaps the weakest #6 team in the history of rankings?

What's even more hilarious is how on earth we're still ranked. We're barely a top 40 team right now.


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Go check Michigan’s states terrible resume.

UC has 4 tier 1 wins vs MSU’s 2
UC has 7 tier 2 wins vs MSU’s 4

We have 11 tier 1&2 wins to their 6.

Even worse for them , they only have 1 tier 1 chance left and it’s against Purdue.

UC’s Next 3 of 4 games are to tier 1 opponents. And we have a 4th with WSU to end the year.

We can debate if Michigan state is better then us and I’m fine with that but their resume is god aweful. And they failed to protect home court this year already.
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