(01-11-2018 04:53 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 04:34 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 12:41 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 09:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 09:00 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I’m okay with that. My school is brand new to FBS, so we’ve still got a lot of work to do. Yours has been here forever and is just as indistinguishable.

No wonder you’re hoping to hell that UCF drags your dead body to the promise land. See you around in the G5...forever.

Lol, we'll still have more nyd bowls than you will, ever, more cws, more tournament bids, more everything, but students you'll have us beat on that.

Youre probably right. It’d be foolish for me to come in here and argue my school versus yours. Which is probably why I’m not.

Doesn’t change my prior statement. UCF and the like will leave you behind for a real power conference. And before you know it, you’ll be sharing a conference with someone like little old App State (unlikely) or another ” G4” team. The fact remains, we are ALL on the same set of coattails right now. In the hope of an expanded playoff.

And I'm sure there are Big 12 teams that will leave for the SEC/Big10 if they called. What's your point? Teams in the P5 tout their conferences, not P5. Only schools that tout G5 is ones like yours. No one in the AAC does. It's easy for you to make that statement because yall add nothing to the P6 conversation.

I thought I made my point pretty clear, but okay, I’ll post it again. The top AAC teams don’t actually give a **** about the AAC and will dump it in a heartbeat to join a real power conference. Because the AAC is not a power conference.

I don’t care about the G5 or the Sunbelt. I care about App State. If UCF going undefeated helps push an expanded playoff narrative that at some point in the future gives App a look at that slot, I’m all for it.

Also I don’t add to the P6 conversation because it’s make believe. Real power conferences don’t have to tell everyone they are one all the time. Like a toddler telling everyone he’s a “big boy”.

The Big Ten doesn't agree with you. For scheduling purposes the AAC is designated a power conference, at least that's how Aresco framed it in his recent interview. Also the other P conferences have designated the AAC as a peer conference. We've not been included as an autonomy conference via legislation but certainly by the other P conferences actions we are moving closer every year.

(01-11-2018 04:53 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I thought I made my point pretty clear, but okay, I’ll post it again. The top AAC teams don’t actually give a **** about the AAC and will dump it in a heartbeat to join a real power conference. Because the AAC is not a power conference.

I don’t care about the G5 or the Sunbelt. I care about App State. If UCF going undefeated helps push an expanded playoff narrative that at some point in the future gives App a look at that slot, I’m all for it.

Also I don’t add to the P6 conversation because it’s make believe. Real power conferences don’t have to tell everyone they are one all the time. Like a toddler telling everyone he’s a “big boy”.

I feel compelled to add some nuance here.

The P6 campaign is not an assertion that we are currently at the level of the SEC / B1G. It is a strategic campaign with a long term goal of being on the right side of the next big shakeup in 2024-2025. The main message is that we are closer to the playoff-five conferences than to the other four conferences. The path doesn't have to be overtaking the Playoff-5 - we can reach the strategic goal by separating from the G4 and just keeping pace with the Playoff-5. On field results of course, but off-field ratings/viewership, attendance, paying full cost of attendance etc.
Medium term signs of successful progress could be next media contract incresasing separation from the G4 or some iterative bowl improvements. Contract bowl or other formalized improved status in the CFP - that's in the strategic endstate in years, not today/tomorrow.

(01-11-2018 03:51 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 01:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  This La Tech fan was outright inventing nonsense on their board too when trying to discredit UCF to make himself feel better about being a CUSA program.

I don’t blame the La Tech fan for being salty either. La Tech got left behind in a fairly dismal version of CUSA that’s virtually indistinguishable from the Funbelt and MAC. There’s like, 8-10 decent football programs among the 40 or so in those three conferences.

But I’m on the UCF bandwagon because, as I’ve stated, I think they help drive the expanded playoff conversation. I just don’t see any way the P5 commissioners allow another conference into the CFB mix as is. It would literally make it more difficult for their own conference champ to make the playoff, which would be detrimental to the conference and probably their job.

To be clear--LaTech wasnt "left behind". They were rescued by CUSA from their collapsing home in the far flung western based WAC. CUSA is probably the best and most advantageous conference fit they have had since their move to FBS.

(01-11-2018 05:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 04:53 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I thought I made my point pretty clear, but okay, I’ll post it again. The top AAC teams don’t actually give a **** about the AAC and will dump it in a heartbeat to join a real power conference. Because the AAC is not a power conference.

I don’t care about the G5 or the Sunbelt. I care about App State. If UCF going undefeated helps push an expanded playoff narrative that at some point in the future gives App a look at that slot, I’m all for it.

Also I don’t add to the P6 conversation because it’s make believe. Real power conferences don’t have to tell everyone they are one all the time. Like a toddler telling everyone he’s a “big boy”.

I feel compelled to add some nuance here.

The P6 campaign is not an assertion that we are currently at the level of the SEC / B1G. It is a strategic campaign with a long term goal of being on the right side of the next big shakeup in 2024-2025. The main message is that we are closer to the playoff-five conferences than to the other four conferences. The path doesn't have to be overtaking the Playoff-5 - we can reach the strategic goal by separating from the G4 and just keeping pace with the Playoff-5. On field results of course, but off-field ratings/viewership, attendance, paying full cost of attendance etc.
Medium term signs of successful progress could be next media contract incresasing separation from the G4 or some iterative bowl improvements. Contract bowl or other formalized improved status in the CFP - that's in the strategic endstate in years, not today/tomorrow.

THIS

(01-11-2018 04:53 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 04:34 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 12:41 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 09:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 09:00 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I’m okay with that. My school is brand new to FBS, so we’ve still got a lot of work to do. Yours has been here forever and is just as indistinguishable.

No wonder you’re hoping to hell that UCF drags your dead body to the promise land. See you around in the G5...forever.

Lol, we'll still have more nyd bowls than you will, ever, more cws, more tournament bids, more everything, but students you'll have us beat on that.

Youre probably right. It’d be foolish for me to come in here and argue my school versus yours. Which is probably why I’m not.

Doesn’t change my prior statement. UCF and the like will leave you behind for a real power conference. And before you know it, you’ll be sharing a conference with someone like little old App State (unlikely) or another ” G4” team. The fact remains, we are ALL on the same set of coattails right now. In the hope of an expanded playoff.

And I'm sure there are Big 12 teams that will leave for the SEC/Big10 if they called. What's your point? Teams in the P5 tout their conferences, not P5. Only schools that tout G5 is ones like yours. No one in the AAC does. It's easy for you to make that statement because yall add nothing to the P6 conversation.

I thought I made my point pretty clear, but okay, I’ll post it again. The top AAC teams don’t actually give a **** about the AAC and will dump it in a heartbeat to join a real power conference. Because the AAC is not a power conference.

I don’t care about the G5 or the Sunbelt. I care about App State. If UCF going undefeated helps push an expanded playoff narrative that at some point in the future gives App a look at that slot, I’m all for it.

Also I don’t add to the P6 conversation because it’s make believe. Real power conferences don’t have to tell everyone they are one all the time. Like a toddler telling everyone he’s a “big boy”.

That's not true at all. As a UH fan, I care about this conf and feel like it's members all share the same purpose and have a sense of pride in being members of this conf. The reason why anyone of us would go to the Big 12 if they called is because of the obvious. $$ disparity and P5 advantages. I feel like we all take in pride in knowing that we have challenged the status quo and the growth potential we can all be a part of is there. The irony here is you. You love the expanded playoff narrative that the P6 brings yet you hate the P6 narrative. Even though your conf contributes zero to the expanded playoff narrative you want to ride our coattails while hating on the P6 narrative. Yeah that is not going to fly here bud.

(01-11-2018 06:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 03:51 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 01:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  This La Tech fan was outright inventing nonsense on their board too when trying to discredit UCF to make himself feel better about being a CUSA program.

I don’t blame the La Tech fan for being salty either. La Tech got left behind in a fairly dismal version of CUSA that’s virtually indistinguishable from the Funbelt and MAC. There’s like, 8-10 decent football programs among the 40 or so in those three conferences.

But I’m on the UCF bandwagon because, as I’ve stated, I think they help drive the expanded playoff conversation. I just don’t see any way the P5 commissioners allow another conference into the CFB mix as is. It would literally make it more difficult for their own conference champ to make the playoff, which would be detrimental to the conference and probably their job.

To be clear--LaTech wasnt "left behind". They were rescued by CUSA from their collapsing home in the far flung western based WAC. CUSA is probably the best and most advantageous conference fit they have had since their move to FBS.

Nailed it.

Once another round of alignment hits the AAC as a league will have a hard time keeping the P6/tweener label intact. If the league were to lose any two of UC, Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston it would really hurt the conference's claim as P6. Let's say a UCF/Houston or Cincy/Memphis leaves for the B12 the remainder of the AAC would be almost back on par with old-school CUSA. Still a good conference, but no longer tweener and back being a G5 that would be battling the MWC for top G5 spot.

I think that's what my fellow App Fan is getting at.

(01-12-2018 12:45 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Once another round of alignment hits the AAC as a league will have a hard time keeping the P6/tweener label intact. If the league were to lose any two of UC, Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston it would really hurt the conference's claim as P6. Let's say a UCF/Houston or Cincy/Memphis leaves for the B12 the remainder of the AAC would be almost back on par with old-school CUSA. Still a good conference, but no longer tweener and back being a G5 that would be battling the MWC for top G5 spot.

I think that's what my fellow App Fan is getting at.

Example, Big East. But, no school that moves up will care.

Also, old-school CUSA was a great conference!

(01-12-2018 12:56 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 12:45 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Once another round of alignment hits the AAC as a league will have a hard time keeping the P6/tweener label intact. If the league were to lose any two of UC, Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston it would really hurt the conference's claim as P6. Let's say a UCF/Houston or Cincy/Memphis leaves for the B12 the remainder of the AAC would be almost back on par with old-school CUSA. Still a good conference, but no longer tweener and back being a G5 that would be battling the MWC for top G5 spot.

I think that's what my fellow App Fan is getting at.

Example, Big East. But, no school that moves up will care.

Also, old-school CUSA was a great conference!

Unfortunately, this is true. Ask any ol' Lousyville fan.

(01-12-2018 12:45 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Once another round of alignment hits the AAC as a league will have a hard time keeping the P6/tweener label intact. If the league were to lose any two of UC, Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston it would really hurt the conference's claim as P6. Let's say a UCF/Houston or Cincy/Memphis leaves for the B12 the remainder of the AAC would be almost back on par with old-school CUSA. Still a good conference, but no longer tweener and back being a G5 that would be battling the MWC for top G5 spot.

I think that's what my fellow App Fan is getting at.

You are showing a lack of understanding of the P6 campaign.
When did the conference roll out the P6? When the last round of BigXII expansion talks died with ESPN paying them not to expand. Very clearly this was "OK, let's start building proactively so that we're not crabs in a bucket, or our conference isn't picked apart - let's build a narrative based on the reality that this conference as a WHOLE, top to bottom, is closer to the Playoff-5 than to the G4. Let's set ourselves up for success so that the next big shakeup isn't realignment team by team, but restructuring so that our conference is on the winning side of history after 2025."
And that is the proper proactive approach.
In three years, our CCG has had five different teams participating. Every one of them has legit been in the NY6 bowl conversation. It's not just UCF, Memphis would have gotten it had they won, and it was Houston two years ago. Even when WMU was the undefeated team, 2-loss Navy was discussed as catching up with them based on AAC wins. Multiple ranked teams in multiple years, with six different names (half the conference!) showing up. Our Playoff-5 bowl wins aren't just UCF - Houston has two, Navy has two, USF has two.
A key component of the P6 campaign is that it is about the conference as a whole moving up, hopefully avoiding being picked apart.

(01-12-2018 11:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  A key component of the P6 campaign is that it is about the conference as a whole moving up, hopefully avoiding being picked apart.

Won't happen in that fashion though. When the B12 decides to expand they'll take from the AAC. Then the remaining teams will again be outside looking in after a loss of "perceived power"

If the P6 concept begins to take root in the media, then my guess is the P5 will kill it by expanding a few schools.

(01-11-2018 06:09 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 04:53 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 04:34 PM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 12:41 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 09:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Lol, we'll still have more nyd bowls than you will, ever, more cws, more tournament bids, more everything, but students you'll have us beat on that.

Youre probably right. It’d be foolish for me to come in here and argue my school versus yours. Which is probably why I’m not.

Doesn’t change my prior statement. UCF and the like will leave you behind for a real power conference. And before you know it, you’ll be sharing a conference with someone like little old App State (unlikely) or another ” G4” team. The fact remains, we are ALL on the same set of coattails right now. In the hope of an expanded playoff.

And I'm sure there are Big 12 teams that will leave for the SEC/Big10 if they called. What's your point? Teams in the P5 tout their conferences, not P5. Only schools that tout G5 is ones like yours. No one in the AAC does. It's easy for you to make that statement because yall add nothing to the P6 conversation.

I thought I made my point pretty clear, but okay, I’ll post it again. The top AAC teams don’t actually give a **** about the AAC and will dump it in a heartbeat to join a real power conference. Because the AAC is not a power conference.

I don’t care about the G5 or the Sunbelt. I care about App State. If UCF going undefeated helps push an expanded playoff narrative that at some point in the future gives App a look at that slot, I’m all for it.

Also I don’t add to the P6 conversation because it’s make believe. Real power conferences don’t have to tell everyone they are one all the time. Like a toddler telling everyone he’s a “big boy”.

That's not true at all. As a UH fan, I care about this conf and feel like it's members all share the same purpose and have a sense of pride in being members of this conf. The reason why anyone of us would go to the Big 12 if they called is because of the obvious. $$ disparity and P5 advantages. I feel like we all take in pride in knowing that we have challenged the status quo and the growth potential we can all be a part of is there. The irony here is you. You love the expanded playoff narrative that the P6 brings yet you hate the P6 narrative. Even though your conf contributes zero to the expanded playoff narrative you want to ride our coattails while hating on the P6 narrative. Yeah that is not going to fly here bud.

200% agree^^^^^

(01-13-2018 09:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If the P6 concept begins to take root in the media, then my guess is the P5 will kill it by expanding a few schools.

No.conference like the SEC or big10 that can pick us apart wont,because they don't haves to , and the others that would can't because they do have a gor which wont allow them. This is what gives the AAC a xhance to successfully rise in status. Unfortunately when the MWC was in our position the scenario was the opposite

(01-13-2018 09:52 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If the P6 concept begins to take root in the media, then my guess is the P5 will kill it by expanding a few schools.

No conference like the SEC or big10 that can pick us apart because they don't haves a gor , wont and the others do have a gor which wont allow them. This is what gives the AAC a xhance to successfully rise in status. Unfortunately when the MWC was in our position the scenario was the opposite

I thought the GOR (eg B-12) pertained to breakup and not additions. Also, I suppose the contract may be modified upon unanimous consent of all parties.

(01-13-2018 09:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 11:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  A key component of the P6 campaign is that it is about the conference as a whole moving up, hopefully avoiding being picked apart.

Won't happen in that fashion though. When the B12 decides to expand they'll take from the AAC. Then the remaining teams will again be outside looking in after a loss of "perceived power"

Maybe you're right.
If you put in the work (the P6 efforts) maybe results come out the way you hope, and maybe forces beyond your control deliver a negative outcome.
If you DON'T put in the work you're completely at the mercy of those outside forces.

Meanwhile, G4 fans are neither postured nor willing to do this work so they come over here with negative vibes hoping for misfortune for those doing the work.

(01-13-2018 09:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 11:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  A key component of the P6 campaign is that it is about the conference as a whole moving up, hopefully avoiding being picked apart.

Won't happen in that fashion though. When the B12 decides to expand they'll take from the AAC. Then the remaining teams will again be outside looking in after a loss of "perceived power"

You don't know that and neither does anyone else. ESPN just paid the Big XII not to expand. Now what makes you or anyone else think that that wouldn't still be the case when their next media rights deal comes up?

They each already share a bigger part of the pie without being at 12 or 14. They play a round robin schedule and have the most idiotic championship game format in all of sports. But they call it a championship game and they have it without having two divisions and they market it and get paid big bucks for it. They already have everything they need without the extra mouths at the table. It defies logic to think they would expand under those circumstances.

(01-13-2018 09:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:52 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If the P6 concept begins to take root in the media, then my guess is the P5 will kill it by expanding a few schools.

No conference like the SEC or big10 that can pick us apart because they don't haves a gor , wont and the others do have a gor which wont allow them. This is what gives the AAC a xhance to successfully rise in status. Unfortunately when the MWC was in our position the scenario was the opposite

I thought the GOR (eg B-12) pertained to breakup and not additions. Also, I suppose the contract may be modified upon unanimous consent of all parties.

Correct but the gor has basically given the networks the power to allow or prevent any conference jumping and outside of a very unlikely p5 to p5 jump no conference is going to take a per team pay cut to add any other team, as the big12 fiasco proved

I want to see a real playoff with our 5 conferences with conference champs and wildcards and I think it would be fun to have a way for the FCS champ to have a spot with a wild card in our playoffs for the real national championship

(01-13-2018 10:00 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 11:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  A key component of the P6 campaign is that it is about the conference as a whole moving up, hopefully avoiding being picked apart.

Won't happen in that fashion though. When the B12 decides to expand they'll take from the AAC. Then the remaining teams will again be outside looking in after a loss of "perceived power"

Maybe you're right.
If you put in the work (the P6 efforts) maybe results come out the way you hope, and maybe forces beyond your control deliver a negative outcome.
If you DON'T put in the work you're completely at the mercy of those outside forces.

Meanwhile, G4 fans are neither postured nor willing to do this work so they come over here with negative vibes hoping for misfortune for those doing the work.

Wow, YOU just explained why the p5 decided to take all of the money prestige and hoard it for themselves. It's because they also got sick and tired of the bottom conferences doing nothing but bring up fcs programs and collect checks. This is why the p6 campaign is see important. I actually wonder if the p6 is actually ok with the AAC rising but they are willing to keep us out as long as it also keeps the other g4 out as well