Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

To have a full Schedule of games from coast to coast. Even a very late night game for the 7 or 8 Hawaii home games.* That's 4 games every Saturday and the MWC and CUSA have a lot of attractive home games on their future schedules as well as up to 6 BYU games**and a couple Army games. Old Dominon from CUSA has 7 home games vs ACC teams scheduled. Rice has home games with Texas, Baylor, Wake, Army and Boise on their future schedules. San Diego St has 8 PAC 12 home games on future schedules, Colorado St has 7 P5 future home games scheduled. There are a lot of P5 home games coming up for MWC, CUSA and BYU.

*Hawaii has 7 home games next year, and 8 in 2019.
**BYU played 6 MWC teams this year, 4 on the road.

(01-07-2018 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

To have a full Schedule of games from coast to coast. Even a very late night game for the 7 or 8 Hawaii home games.* That's 4 games every Saturday and the MWC and CUSA have a lot of attractive home games on their future schedules as well as up to 6 BYU games**and a couple Army games. Old Dominon from CUSA has 7 home games vs ACC teams scheduled. Rice has home games with Texas, Baylor, Wake, Army and Boise on their future schedules.

*Hawaii has 7 home games next year, and 8 in 2019.
**BYU played 6 MWC teams this year, 4 on the road.

But at what price for that fourth football game in the least attractive time slot? Between the strengthened AAC, ND football and ND Hockey, you get enough inventory for three games a week if you schedule judiciously. And you only have to pay for 14 more teams instead of 39. That fourth game just isn't worth it to NBC, IMO. And by buying the weakened MWC and the already weak CUSA, you have declared yourself the go to network for minor league football plus Notre Dame (which you already have). You don't have that stigma with the AAC alone.

There are dead weights in the G5 that brings down the overall ratings for each conference. ESPN did a stand alone contract with Boise State. Boise State is the crown jewel in all of this. Now, we may need to throw out schools that have reached more than a million viewers.

AAC:
Houston
UCF
USF
East Carolina
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
NavySMU

Tulsa, Tulane and UConn. (except for men's basketball) have been down.

C_USA:
Southern Mississippi
UTSA
UTEP
Rice

The others have not garner the viewerships yet.

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Bowling Green
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Ohio U.

All have done great themselves in viewership ratings.

MWC:
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Utah State
UNR
Hawaii
Air Force

San Jose State made the MWC worst. I think San Jose State was not their first pick for the 12th spot either.

SBC:
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern

SBC does not have the clout yet to give justice for tv contract.

IND.:
BYU
Army

FCS:
Montana
North Dakota State
James Madison
Jacksonville State
Sam Houston State
Eastern Washington
South Dakota State

These schools have garener some interests when they were shown on ESPN during the playoffs and in the championship games. They also made a name for themselves attractive to tv audience because how ell they did against FBS schools. These schools could be the next Appalachian State, Georgia Southern and Boise State if they get the call up.

(01-07-2018 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 04:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 02:13 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:14 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  The problem is that NBC has never shown one bit of interest in any other non p5 conference other the AAC and that was when the AAC was a bigger risk than all the of the g5s combined. I could easily see NBC brokering a deal to pay the AAC enough to add maybe Byu and either Boise or Sdsu. I think the rest of the g4 would be considered not worth much at that point

Could be right about NBC having no interest in anyone else but I do remember watching some TCU MWC conference games on NBC-SN (it had a different name then) as well as watching some CUSA games on NBC-SN.

It was called Versus back then until NBC bought them. The MWC had a contract with them and CBS Sports which bought CSTV, the startup network the MWC ditched ESPN for. Versus showed lots of rodeo and MMA. But looking back, the MWC did not have a bad tv exposure compared to what they have now. They were on CBS Sports, Versus and The Mtn.

As far as NBC Sports, they’re really not relevant on Saturday afternoon/nights. How many figure skating and Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan documentaries reruns can they air?

Before Versus, it was called Outdoor Life. It was mostly a hunting and fishing channel going up against the Outdoor Channel.

Yes, what NBC-SN was before was Versus which used to show MWC, CUSA (the AAC now) Big 12 and PAC 10 Games. They did this until 2012 I think. Versus also showed weekly boxing that had decent name fighters. I liked Versus.

Hmm,,,I don't think that CUSA was ever part of versus. I think they were with cssn.I know that the AAC was absolutely never part of versus .ESPN is our first and only contract signed so far unless I miss something

(01-07-2018 06:17 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 04:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 02:13 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Could be right about NBC having no interest in anyone else but I do remember watching some TCU MWC conference games on NBC-SN (it had a different name then) as well as watching some CUSA games on NBC-SN.

It was called Versus back then until NBC bought them. The MWC had a contract with them and CBS Sports which bought CSTV, the startup network the MWC ditched ESPN for. Versus showed lots of rodeo and MMA. But looking back, the MWC did not have a bad tv exposure compared to what they have now. They were on CBS Sports, Versus and The Mtn.

As far as NBC Sports, they’re really not relevant on Saturday afternoon/nights. How many figure skating and Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan documentaries reruns can they air?

Before Versus, it was called Outdoor Life. It was mostly a hunting and fishing channel going up against the Outdoor Channel.

Yes, what NBC-SN was before was Versus which used to show MWC, CUSA (the AAC now) Big 12 and PAC 10 Games. They did this until 2012 I think. Versus also showed weekly boxing that had decent name fighters. I liked Versus.

Hmm,,,I don't think that CUSA was ever part of versus. I think they were with cssn.I know that the AAC was absolutely never part of versus .ESPN is our first and only contract signed so far unless I miss something

WAC had a contract for ESPN a few more years for football, but when you only have Idaho and New mexico State left? It screwed them up. Benson was terrible with the WAC, and he is now destroying the SBC.

(01-07-2018 06:17 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 04:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 02:13 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Could be right about NBC having no interest in anyone else but I do remember watching some TCU MWC conference games on NBC-SN (it had a different name then) as well as watching some CUSA games on NBC-SN.

It was called Versus back then until NBC bought them. The MWC had a contract with them and CBS Sports which bought CSTV, the startup network the MWC ditched ESPN for. Versus showed lots of rodeo and MMA. But looking back, the MWC did not have a bad tv exposure compared to what they have now. They were on CBS Sports, Versus and The Mtn.

As far as NBC Sports, they’re really not relevant on Saturday afternoon/nights. How many figure skating and Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan documentaries reruns can they air?

Before Versus, it was called Outdoor Life. It was mostly a hunting and fishing channel going up against the Outdoor Channel.

Yes, what NBC-SN was before was Versus which used to show MWC, CUSA (the AAC now) Big 12 and PAC 10 Games. They did this until 2012 I think. Versus also showed weekly boxing that had decent name fighters. I liked Versus.

Hmm,,,I don't think that CUSA was ever part of versus. I think they were with cssn.I know that the AAC was absolutely never part of versus .ESPN is our first and only contract signed so far unless I miss something

I could've sworn i saw a Rive game on NBC-SN

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

I would think it the AAC would be better off actually in an NBC TV deal without the MWC. MWC has a reputation for mid major product as the home for the BCS buster and Boise State buster poster child.

NBC could double header an AAC package with some crossover like Navy vs. Notre Dame already on national TV. A limited 8-10 week package on NBC OTA with more extensive on NBC-SN might be workable.

(01-07-2018 11:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

I would think it the AAC would be better off actually in an NBC TV deal without the MWC. MWC has a reputation for mid major product as the home for the BCS buster and Boise State buster poster child.

NBC could double header an AAC package with some crossover like Navy vs. Notre Dame already on national TV. A limited 8-10 week package on NBC OTA with more extensive on NBC-SN might be workable.

It seems that you just really repeated what he's saying. The difference is that he's saying that all NBC has to do is to pay for Boise to the AAC to get that "BCS Buster" into the AAC rather than wasting money on the the rest of the MWC. YOU have to remember the only value the networks see in the MWC is Boise.

(01-08-2018 06:12 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

I would think it the AAC would be better off actually in an NBC TV deal without the MWC. MWC has a reputation for mid major product as the home for the BCS buster and Boise State buster poster child.

NBC could double header an AAC package with some crossover like Navy vs. Notre Dame already on national TV. A limited 8-10 week package on NBC OTA with more extensive on NBC-SN might be workable.

It seems that you just really repeated what he's saying. The difference is that he's saying that all NBC has to do is to pay for Boise to the AAC to get that "BCS Buster" into the AAC rather than wasting money on the the rest of the MWC. YOU have to remember the only value the networks see in the MWC is Boise.

Sorry but you are wrong that Boise is the only value. CBS and the MW agreed to a rewrite with the mtn going dark. CBS agreed to $12 million/year for a 10 team MW without Boise St or SDSU.

(01-08-2018 08:20 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:12 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

I would think it the AAC would be better off actually in an NBC TV deal without the MWC. MWC has a reputation for mid major product as the home for the BCS buster and Boise State buster poster child.

NBC could double header an AAC package with some crossover like Navy vs. Notre Dame already on national TV. A limited 8-10 week package on NBC OTA with more extensive on NBC-SN might be workable.

It seems that you just really repeated what he's saying. The difference is that he's saying that all NBC has to do is to pay for Boise to the AAC to get that "BCS Buster" into the AAC rather than wasting money on the the rest of the MWC. YOU have to remember the only value the networks see in the MWC is Boise.

Sorry but you are wrong that Boise is the only value. CBS and the MW agreed to a rewrite with the mtn going dark. CBS agreed to $12 million/year for a 10 team MW without Boise St or SDSU.

Yes. That was due to a contractual breach which was a result of the Mountain being shuttered. CBS basically agreed to pay the same money for less games freeing up the MW second tier rights for sale. On the other hand, they refused to give the MW more money. CBS-Sports is a notoriously frugal network.

(01-08-2018 03:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:20 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:12 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that NBC has changed its mind about the attractiveness of the AAC (and I'm not suggesting they have), couldn't they get everything they want by just agreeing to fund adding Boise State and BYU as football only members instead of paying for all those other entities? Why would they need the MWC or CUSA?

I would think it the AAC would be better off actually in an NBC TV deal without the MWC. MWC has a reputation for mid major product as the home for the BCS buster and Boise State buster poster child.

NBC could double header an AAC package with some crossover like Navy vs. Notre Dame already on national TV. A limited 8-10 week package on NBC OTA with more extensive on NBC-SN might be workable.

It seems that you just really repeated what he's saying. The difference is that he's saying that all NBC has to do is to pay for Boise to the AAC to get that "BCS Buster" into the AAC rather than wasting money on the the rest of the MWC. YOU have to remember the only value the networks see in the MWC is Boise.

Sorry but you are wrong that Boise is the only value. CBS and the MW agreed to a rewrite with the mtn going dark. CBS agreed to $12 million/year for a 10 team MW without Boise St or SDSU.

Yes. That was due to a contractual breach which was a result of the Mountain being shuttered. CBS basically agreed to pay the same money for less games freeing up the MW second tier rights for sale. On the other hand, they refused to give the MW more money. CBS-Sports is a notoriously frugal network.

And that's why I'm talking about this deal being on NBC-SN and not on CBS. They just don't seem to want to pay for it despite showing a lot of interest.

Well given that NBC/Universal's MO is to pay big for major events and otherwise seek out bargains who knows how they'd view it.

If they want in they can almost assuredly snag any mix of AAC, MWC, CUSA, and Sun Belt for a bargain price.

Starting in October, NBCSN jumps into the NHL with both feet generally with a Tuesday and Wednesday night line-up and no NHL on Thursdays or Fridays (except opening week when they normally do a doubleheader the first Thursday).

They could easily do a Thursday and Friday weeknight telecast and most Saturdays have at least two windows available for football after soccer, sometimes three. They could offload some content to NBC Sports Regionals, the only rub being that they are really limited in footprint. NBC Sports Bay Area and NBCS California isn't going to care about anything but some MWC content. NBCS Northwest and Chicago none of what is coming up for bid is useful for anything but filler. NBCS Washington, Boston, Philadelphia and SportsNet NY aren't going to be crazy for anything that would be in south and southwest.

If a non-ESPN network wanted some great content at a bargain rate they'd convince the AAC to add 4 Western schools as full members--Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, & AFA/Colorado St

In Olympic sports they play in a division with Wich St, Tulsa, SMU, & Houston, with very little play against the 8 other members. If continuity rules ever allow you eventually spin the western group off and gain a 2nd autobid all the better.

You get a large league with content in all 4 time zones. You get near P5 ratings at a fraction of the cost. The league effectively becomes a P6 because it's doubtful that the MAC, SBC, C-USA, and a depleted MWC could ever challenge them.

This is a lot easier to achieve and yields a lot more per school than trying to get 3 conferences and a contrary independent all in agreement.

(01-08-2018 07:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If a non-ESPN network wanted some great content at a bargain rate they'd convince the AAC to add 4 Western schools as full members--Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, & AFA/Colorado St

In Olympic sports they play in a division with Wich St, Tulsa, SMU, & Houston, with very little play against the 8 other members. If continuity rules ever allow you eventually spin the western group off and gain a 2nd autobid all the better.

You get a large league with content in all 4 time zones. You get near P5 ratings at a fraction of the cost. The league effectively becomes a P6 because it's doubtful that the MAC, SBC, C-USA, and a depleted MWC could ever challenge them.

This is a lot easier to achieve and yields a lot more per school than trying to get 3 conferences and a contrary independent all in agreement.

Yeah but how do you get the "contrary independent" to join the AAC? They make double the media dollars that the AAC schools averaged and still get to play their historic MWC rivals. BYU is Indy and still played 6 MWC schools last year. That's getting your cake and eating it too.

BYU would have to still get the following OOC games: Utah St, Boise St, UNLV, Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno and of course Utah and some other PAC 12 teams like Arizona, ASU and UCLA and CAL.
8/9 out of 12 games (plus the FCS payday game) being AAC conference games means they lose almost all of those regional games....And the AAC won't give BYU a Boise sweet heart tv deal. Heck the MWC won't even give them a Boise sweetheart deal and let them park basketball in the MWC.
BYU is a non starter.

NBC would come out ahead with just the AAC and BYU and leave the rest out. 80 % of the audience and 1/3 of the mouths to feed.

(01-08-2018 07:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If a non-ESPN network wanted some great content at a bargain rate they'd convince the AAC to add 4 Western schools as full members--Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, & AFA/Colorado St

In Olympic sports they play in a division with Wich St, Tulsa, SMU, & Houston, with very little play against the 8 other members. If continuity rules ever allow you eventually spin the western group off and gain a 2nd autobid all the better.

You get a large league with content in all 4 time zones. You get near P5 ratings at a fraction of the cost. The league effectively becomes a P6 because it's doubtful that the MAC, SBC, C-USA, and a depleted MWC could ever challenge them.

This is a lot easier to achieve and yields a lot more per school than trying to get 3 conferences and a contrary independent all in agreement.

Yeah but how do you get the "contrary independent" to join the AAC? They make double the media dollars that the AAC schools averaged and still get to play their historic MWC rivals. BYU is Indy and still played 6 MWC schools last year. That's getting your cake and eating it too.

What does BYU get for that contract? $4 million a year max? If you could get $6-7 million and a clear path to an access bowl I think they listen. BYU you can still get those high profile P5s in the OOC. You get a national schedule--two academies annually; a game in Texas annually; Tulsa, San Diego, and Boise every other year, and occasionally a game in Florida, Memphis/Cincy, the Northeast, NC, and NO.

(01-08-2018 07:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If a non-ESPN network wanted some great content at a bargain rate they'd convince the AAC to add 4 Western schools as full members--Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, & AFA/Colorado St

In Olympic sports they play in a division with Wich St, Tulsa, SMU, & Houston, with very little play against the 8 other members. If continuity rules ever allow you eventually spin the western group off and gain a 2nd autobid all the better.

You get a large league with content in all 4 time zones. You get near P5 ratings at a fraction of the cost. The league effectively becomes a P6 because it's doubtful that the MAC, SBC, C-USA, and a depleted MWC could ever challenge them.

This is a lot easier to achieve and yields a lot more per school than trying to get 3 conferences and a contrary independent all in agreement.

Yeah but how do you get the "contrary independent" to join the AAC? They make double the media dollars that the AAC schools averaged and still get to play their historic MWC rivals. BYU is Indy and still played 6 MWC schools last year. That's getting your cake and eating it too.

Do you think ESPN is going to continue the BYU deal as much of a flop as the football program has been? They were expecting a program that was going to be in the Top 25 regularly and a challenger for a CFP bowl. None of that seems realistic at this point.

BYU's storied fan support, 60k like a big time team has really fallen behind what national powers are drawing these days. One game this season only drew 46,500 fans. In the early 90's BYU was consistently 64-65k at a time when Alabama and ND were pulling in those numbers. Today they would be average for the PAC and not too far from the AAC range.

BYU/Boise could do a scheduling agreement with the AAC where they would help the TV package and bring up the bowl agreements some. Boise can try and lobby for a spot in the WCC (coveted 11th member for basketball).

(01-09-2018 01:24 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If a non-ESPN network wanted some great content at a bargain rate they'd convince the AAC to add 4 Western schools as full members--Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, & AFA/Colorado St

In Olympic sports they play in a division with Wich St, Tulsa, SMU, & Houston, with very little play against the 8 other members. If continuity rules ever allow you eventually spin the western group off and gain a 2nd autobid all the better.

You get a large league with content in all 4 time zones. You get near P5 ratings at a fraction of the cost. The league effectively becomes a P6 because it's doubtful that the MAC, SBC, C-USA, and a depleted MWC could ever challenge them.

This is a lot easier to achieve and yields a lot more per school than trying to get 3 conferences and a contrary independent all in agreement.

Yeah but how do you get the "contrary independent" to join the AAC? They make double the media dollars that the AAC schools averaged and still get to play their historic MWC rivals. BYU is Indy and still played 6 MWC schools last year. That's getting your cake and eating it too.

Do you think ESPN is going to continue the BYU deal as much of a flop as the football program has been? They were expecting a program that was going to be in the Top 25 regularly and a challenger for a CFP bowl. None of that seems realistic at this point.

BYU's storied fan support, 60k like a big time team has really fallen behind what national powers are drawing these days. One game this season only drew 46,500 fans. In the early 90's BYU was consistently 64-65k at a time when Alabama and ND were pulling in those numbers. Today they would be average for the PAC and not too far from the AAC range.

BYU/Boise could do a scheduling agreement with the AAC where they would help the TV package and bring up the bowl agreements some. Boise can try and lobby for a spot in the WCC (coveted 11th member for basketball).

I like the idea. Would just need to see if it’s financially feasible. My biggest concern outside of money is what happens if the AAC gets torn apart and Boise St is left out would the MWC bring them back in? Probably but is that worth the risk? Dunno

West: Boise St, BYU, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Navy
East: Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut