(12-30-2017 03:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 12:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

I'd say they do have a team in Syracuse. Buffalo is also not terribly far, though Syracuse is a bigger brand and arguably the school for all of Upstate. Soon, Grand Rapids will overtake them as the largest although Western Michigan is an hour away.

Rutgers is closer to NYC than Syracuse is to Rochester but with that said, it's fair to argue that NYC doesn't have an FBS team, though it has a rich assortment of college teams in general, probably 20+ are a short subway ride from Manhattan. You could argue Oklahoma City doesn't have one though Norman isn't terribly far away.

Minnesota has only one D-I sports program, let alone one full scholarship football program.

I don’t think Bloomington is too far away from Indianapolis, so they do have that as an FBS option, although it could be argued it is not necessarily a very good one. Purdue is actually looks like it’s closer to Chicago, than Indianapolis, and South Bend looks like it may as well be a suburb of Chicago anyway, although it is a mystery that Chicago only has one true FBS team (Northwestern). U of Chicago used to have a team (and it played in the Big Ten too!!), but they dropped what was considered to be FBS at the time.

Purdue is about 1 hour from downtown Indianapolis and 2 hours from downtown Chicago (if there's no traffic). Neither W. Lafayete nor South Bend would ever be considered "suburbs" of Chicago. Chicago isn't even the closest airport to either town.

Last time I drove it, Bloomington was about 1 hr and 15 min from downtown Indy. But that is getting less and less every year as I-69 is being constructed along that route.

Purdue and IU are both technically outside the Indianapolis metro. But they're close enough that they are both the "hometown teams" of Indy residents. It's split by profession - doctors and lawyers are IU fans; engineers and farmers are Purdue fans.

I've heard of South Bend being considered a suburb of Chicago, though I think it's thought of more as a regional outpost or sub-urban core.

(12-30-2017 03:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 12:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

I'd say they do have a team in Syracuse. Buffalo is also not terribly far, though Syracuse is a bigger brand and arguably the school for all of Upstate. Soon, Grand Rapids will overtake them as the largest although Western Michigan is an hour away.

Rutgers is closer to NYC than Syracuse is to Rochester but with that said, it's fair to argue that NYC doesn't have an FBS team, though it has a rich assortment of college teams in general, probably 20+ are a short subway ride from Manhattan. You could argue Oklahoma City doesn't have one though Norman isn't terribly far away.

Minnesota has only one D-I sports program, let alone one full scholarship football program.

I don’t think Bloomington is too far away from Indianapolis, so they do have that as an FBS option, although it could be argued it is not necessarily a very good one. Purdue is actually looks like it’s closer to Chicago, than Indianapolis, and South Bend looks like it may as well be a suburb of Chicago anyway, although it is a mystery that Chicago only has one true FBS team (Northwestern). U of Chicago used to have a team (and it played in the Big Ten too!!), but they dropped what was considered to be FBS at the time.

Purdue is about 1 hour from downtown Indianapolis and 2 hours from downtown Chicago (if there's no traffic). Neither W. Lafayete nor South Bend would ever be considered "suburbs" of Chicago. Chicago isn't even the closest airport to either town.

Last time I drove it, Bloomington was about 1 hr and 15 min from downtown Indy. But that is getting less and less every year as I-69 is being constructed along that route.

Purdue and IU are both technically outside the Indianapolis metro. But they're close enough that they are both the "hometown teams" of Indy residents. It's split by profession - doctors and lawyers are IU fans; engineers and farmers are Purdue fans.

IUPUI has a D1 basketball program. They are located within the city limits.

(12-30-2017 11:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Do they root for New York or Philly sports teams?

Princeton is fairly evenly split. 10 minutes south (Trenton, Hamilton, etc) as Philly country.

Did the folks who mentioned Indianapolis forget Butler and IUPUI?

Even with all Butler has done, they are not really Indianpolis' team. They're like the second team that people root for when not playing their favorite, which for most around there is Indiana followed by Purdue and maybe Notre Dame.

College Park, MD is 32 miles from Baltimore. Annapolis about the same. UMD and Navy are Baltimore's teams.

They have closer teams like UMBC and Towson, not that anyone there follows them. Navy is not Baltimore's team anymore than Army is New York's or Air Force is Denver's.

Not sure if it has been mentioned but Wichita has a glaring absence of major college football. There is one NAIA program at Friends U. The closest thing to Wichita's team would be Butler County JuCo who is a national powerhouse and is located about 30 miles away in El Dorado. They occasionally play games at Cessna stadium on Wichita States campus. For DI football fan interest would be split with KU, OU, and K-State with KSU probably having the largest following because of Snyder. When he retires again and they go back to the cellar, who knows.

(12-30-2017 09:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There is plenty going on around Cleveland, but nothing within it.

Cleveland State is Div. I

Even without it, Akron is there. Granted, Akron is a stand alone city and not a suburb in the traditional sense.

(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

Yes but Annapolis (USNA) is in the Baltimore/DC metro area.

(12-30-2017 12:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Looking at it that way, I would say Baltimore-DC’s teams would be Maryland, Navy, UVa, VT, PSU, and maybe WVU, although I would think that WVU would have less of a presence there and more of one in the Pittsburgh metro area

Penn State, WVU, and VT DC's teams???? You're kidding, right?

Blacksburg is 270 miles (4:15)
Penn State is 221 miles (3:40)
Morgantown is 209 miles (3:30)

Only Charlottesville is remotely close at 116 miles.

Firstly, Navy is a national program that could just as easily be located in San Diego (where they probably have a bigger fanbase) as opposed to Maryland and second Annapolis is pretty much a stand alone city, just like Akron or Boulder. It's defintely not a suburb, especially as a state capital.

(12-31-2017 02:39 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 12:13 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Looking at it that way, I would say Baltimore-DC’s teams would be Maryland, Navy, UVa, VT, PSU, and maybe WVU, although I would think that WVU would have less of a presence there and more of one in the Pittsburgh metro area

Penn State, WVU, and VT DC's teams???? You're kidding, right?

Blacksburg is 270 miles (4:15)
Penn State is 221 miles (3:40)
Morgantown is 209 miles (3:30)

Only Charlottesville is remotely close at 116 miles.

Virginia Tech does have a sizable fanbase near Washington as does West Virginia. That said, as you noted, they aren't particularly close, like Maryland is.

I think we forget about this. It is the government agency that created these Metro cities. I know Tacoma wants to be their own self identity instead of being lumped with Seattle. So, people in Tacoma think of themselves as their own little metro instead of being part of Seattle. Tacoma is a large city that do not count Seattle U. and Washington as part of their city.

Tacoma:
Puget Sound D3
Pacific Lutheran D3
University of Washington-Tacoma no sports

Olympia:
Evergreen State NAIA

Vancouver:
Washington State University-Vancouver no sports

Spokane:
Gonzaga
Whitworth D3 football

You have large centers in Bellingham (Western Washington), Walla Walla, Yakima, Cheyney (growing area) and Ellensburg (Central Washington and growing in population in the area.)

Now, you have talks about D2 and D3 schools that wants to be in D1.
Columbus State
Augustas
Merrimack
Bentley
Southern New Hampshirw
Rowan in New Jersey
LIU-Post
Azusa Pacific
West Texas A&M
Tarleton State
Angelo State
Colorado mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Metro State
Regis
Western Washington
Texas A&M-Central
Texas A&M-San Antonio
Indiana,PA.
West Florida
Florida Tech
Lindenwood

We might see some of these schools move up since there are no pro-teams in several of these cities, and no close D1 schools to compete with.

We might also see Southern Indiana and Bellarmine be invited next to be D1 schools.

You forgot Eastern Washington with Spokane.

I wish the Census Bureau would deemphasize MSA's and promote Urban Areas. UA's are a much better indicator of how big a place really is.

(12-30-2017 01:15 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 12:29 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Isn't Rochester 30 minutes from Syracuse? It is just a special town almost for Kodak employees only, or used to be.

In a metro area of about 1.1 million, Rochester is not and has not been a company for Kodak employees only, which is an absurd statement. (Kodak once had a workforce of 60,000 plus in Rochester but now less than 10,000). Xerox still employs about 15,000, Bausch & Lomb employs about 8000, Paychex employs about 5000, The University of Rochester employs about 18,000 and Wegmans employs about 15,000 etc..... In other words, its not a "special town for Kodak employees only." Rochester is also 90 miles from Syracuse.

It was different in 1930's. And I drove very fast.

(12-31-2017 03:49 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You forgot Eastern Washington with Spokane.

I wish the Census Bureau would deemphasize MSA's and promote Urban Areas. UA's are a much better indicator of how big a place really is.

MSAs are rather unnatural. The county is not a natural unit of population growth. It's just easier to calculate things on a county basis than a census block.

As an example, Miami is suddenly the fourth largest area if you go by UA.

(12-31-2017 03:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 03:49 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You forgot Eastern Washington with Spokane.

I wish the Census Bureau would deemphasize MSA's and promote Urban Areas. UA's are a much better indicator of how big a place really is.

MSAs are rather unnatural. The county is not a natural unit of population growth. It's just easier to calculate things on a county basis than a census block.

It divides metro areas (such as the Bay Area) and creates new ones that don't exist, like Riverside/San Bernardino. R/SB is just an extension of LA. Meanwhile, there's at least two separate metros within the Census defined MSA, such as High Desert and Palm Springs.