(12-14-2017 03:03 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  If the ND contract with NBC was now $22M, we would know about it. It wouldn't be super-secret and Domers would be telling everyone how valuable they are. I suspect any $20+M number is the $15M from NBC plus the $6M+ expected from the upcoming linear ACCN.

Notre Dame's total athletic revenue last year was 134 million plus. Of that football accounted for over 98 million in total revenue. And while they are private and the breakdown on those figures are not a matter of public record, most schools generating over 100 million in Gross Total Revenue generally have 1/5 to 1/4 of their total revenue generated by TV Revenue. So that would put their TV contract revenue in a range between roughly 20 to 25 million. That would tend to indicate that their football is at least paid 20 million and likely more.

When you go to their breakdown in revenue their basketball made enough to account for the 6 million you suggest.

But you can take a look for yourself by going to Equity in Athletics. It's a great site and you can check any school public or private.



BTW: Good to see you 1845 Bear!

Wouldn’t surprise me to see So Cal and Texas end up independents with ND type deals. Would make for some excellent television matchups late in the season if they all played each other

(12-14-2017 03:35 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Wouldn’t surprise me to see So Cal and Texas end up independents with ND type deals. Would make for some excellent television matchups late in the season if they all played each other

Non-fb presents a huge challenge. Especially for UT but I don't think USC wants to go WCC, Big West, or MWC assuming the invites were there.

(12-14-2017 03:40 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:35 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Wouldn’t surprise me to see So Cal and Texas end up independents with ND type deals. Would make for some excellent television matchups late in the season if they all played each other

Non-fb presents a huge challenge. Especially for UT but I don't think USC wants to go WCC, Big West, or MWC assuming the invites were there.

Well, thanks to the Disney/Fox deal that went down today I like the Big 12's outlook for the first time in 8 years. The ability to resolve the T3 dilemma in the Big 12 is now in one set of hands, ESPN. So what happens with Texas is now resolvable without a Texas move and that bodes well for the Big 12.

If the PAC continues to lag and refuses to play ball on the PACN and continues to suffer carriage issues then it is not wholly unreasonable to think that one day a significant portion of PAC schools could partner or merge with the Big 12.

Academic relationships have nothing to do with athletics and academic revenue streams have nothing to do with athletic revenue streams.

So this I think steadies the boat for the Big 12. The market model which threatened its survival is dead or dying and now the PAC and ACC's ability to generate revenue will be the new event horizon to watch. The good news for the ACC is that the ACCN will likely help to insulate them.

The pressure to sell out to the corporate sports broadcasters is now on the PAC.

(12-14-2017 03:10 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:03 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  If the ND contract with NBC was now $22M, we would know about it. It wouldn't be super-secret and Domers would be telling everyone how valuable they are. I suspect any $20+M number is the $15M from NBC plus the $6M+ expected from the upcoming linear ACCN.

Private school, may be kept under wraps

It may not be publicly documented, but there were enough people on both sides that the info isn't exactly secret. The NYT reported the extended deal is worth $15M per year. I see no reason to discount that.

(12-13-2017 12:02 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  But I think it would require that the B1G persuade all four Cali schools to come together, which would take the B1G to 18 teams. If the five existing B1G schools who would be put in that far west division get a vote, I suspect they could and would prevent offering them an invite.

You basically have to have pods at that point. Then becomes a chicken and egg situation. Do you invite the schools before pods are approved or get pods approved (tipping your hand) and then invite the schools. My personal opinion is that they'd probably prefer to go to 20 or even 24 instead of 18. At that point aren't you just annexing the PAC? Would it be easier or more cost effective to just sign a deal with the BTN? The B1G wouldn't would want "the blood" on their hands from destroying another conference. I don't think the B1G has interest in WSU, OSU and what to do with the Arizona schools and Utah?

The Midwest retires to Arizona.

Think BIG!

East

Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State

Midwest

Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Minnesota

Southwest

Iowa
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Rice/School 2

West

Arizona
Arizona State
Southern Cal
UCLA
California
Stanford

Thinking out loud, I don't believe USC could pull off independence up to their current level. As others have mentioned, the PAC schools would likely blackball them, including USC's replacement. Long story short, whoever that replacement would be, it's unlikely they'd be close to what USC provides so the conference will cave to at least some of USC's demands.

Assuming they did leave, I have a tough time imagining any other schools joining as an independent. USC may get a Notre Dame deal with the Big 12 but I doubt they'd want to hitch themselves to them. The Big East likely would require a travel partner to go along with them but I don't know of anyone up to the caliber of the Big East remotely close to USC. The Big Ten likely wouldn't want a partial like USC unless they had another PAC school tag along, which brings me to my next point.

If USC is going to be a full member of a conference other than the PAC, I think the Big Ten and Big 12 would reciprocate the interest. Of the two, I think USC would prefer the Big Ten. The conference (Big Ten or Big 12) would want some partners to tag along with USC and it is hard to leave out any of the California schools so Cal, Stanford, and UCLA go with USC. But Washington will want to come along and so Oregon makes sense to grab as well. Might as well take the Arizona pair, and Colorado makes for a nice bridge with Utah. By the end, all you're doing is exiling Washington State and Oregon State so you may as well just stay in the PAC and work things out.

As a Big Ten fan, I could get behind a conference like this:

Washington, Oregon, USC, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State
Colorado, Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue

Three divisions, play seven division games plus one of each other division rotating. Division winners plus a wildcard make the conference semifinals. All the setup does is move Purdue over to the existing eastern division, add a former conference mate (Colorado) with a ton of past history who is on good enough terms to schedule several future games with them still in Nebraska, and keeps the core PAC together in the west.

Unrealistic, I know, but going off the premise that USC may get wandering eyes, this is what I came up with.

The travel issue.

Notre Dames deal with the ACC is because they put their Basketball and other Olympic in that conference. USC lacks that power conference option. The B1G is not going to want to send Baseball and women's Volleyball to Los Angeles, and USC is not keen on sending Tennis and Softball to New Jersey and Michigan. This is a Gonzaga level geography problem. And no we still have not invented teleporting.

I fly East a few times a year from SF, and I can tell you it is murder to have to make 5 or six such trips in a few weeks as a Basketball or Volleyball team would to play those Midwest schools. It is even bad to get to Texas. Those 10-14 hour round trips are brutal. B12 it's maybe only 8-10 hours. But still.

That is why options like the WCC or MWC (a bit better) are brought up. The later at least could allow USC to schedule some games in October and November. But do you really want to replace Washington State, Arizona, Utah, Cal, Stanford and UCLA with Nevada, New Mexico, San Jose State, Wyoming and Boise State? Talk about a body blow on the fan interest and the ability to meet Playoff criteria. And then there is the $32M annual in P12 revenue that has to be replaced (we are also talking outbids) as well as exit fees.

There is no way it works. The far smarter route is to join with Cal and Wazzu to put pressure on Larry Scott and the P12 leadership to get their act together and fix the problems that are upsetting so many ADs in the league. So far USC's President is not among that group. So there is a disconnect between fanboys and school leadership here.

(12-14-2017 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:03 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  If the ND contract with NBC was now $22M, we would know about it. It wouldn't be super-secret and Domers would be telling everyone how valuable they are. I suspect any $20+M number is the $15M from NBC plus the $6M+ expected from the upcoming linear ACCN.

Notre Dame's total athletic revenue last year was 134 million plus. Of that football accounted for over 98 million in total revenue. And while they are private and the breakdown on those figures are not a matter of public record, most schools generating over 100 million in Gross Total Revenue generally have 1/5 to 1/4 of their total revenue generated by TV Revenue. So that would put their TV contract revenue in a range between roughly 20 to 25 million. That would tend to indicate that their football is at least paid 20 million and likely more.

When you go to their breakdown in revenue their basketball made enough to account for the 6 million you suggest.

But you can take a look for yourself by going to Equity in Athletics. It's a great site and you can check any school public or private.



BTW: Good to see you 1845 Bear!

Yes, the $22 million for NBC and the $6.4 million for basketball for ND survive scrutiny.

I would not have posted it if they did not. Besides, in April, 2013 (when the NBC deal was renewed), ND was just coming off a 12-0 regular season and a national championship game appearance.

The NBC ratings were up 69% in 2012. At that time, does anyone think that NBC said "No more money, not one dime...and...we are going to lock that number in for ten years, not five."

Does anyone think that ND then meekly said "Ok, we are lucky to have this deal, so yes, we agree...not one more dime and twice the term, we are down with that, no need for us to see if ESPN would bid on the deal,"


http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-deal-2025

(12-14-2017 04:06 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:10 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:03 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  If the ND contract with NBC was now $22M, we would know about it. It wouldn't be super-secret and Domers would be telling everyone how valuable they are. I suspect any $20+M number is the $15M from NBC plus the $6M+ expected from the upcoming linear ACCN.

Private school, may be kept under wraps

It may not be publicly documented, but there were enough people on both sides that the info isn't exactly secret. The NYT reported the extended deal is worth $15M per year. I see no reason to discount that.

Based on an admittedly brief internet search, I can't find any source that claims the new ND-NBC deal is worth $15M per year.

What I have found are numerous sources that say "terms of the deal were not announced, but the current deal is reported to be worth an average of $15 million". Key words here are "current" and "average". The "current" deal is the one that is to be extended. Perhaps it would have been clearer if the reports had referred to it as the "previous" deal.

Most long term media contracts are not for a single, fixed amount paid in equal annual amounts throughout the contract. They have annual escalators such that the school receives less than the stated average amount (in this case $15M) in the first year, and more than the stated average amount in the final year. So, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that in the fifth year of that deal, ND may have received $17M. That would, no doubt, be less than the floor first year payment on an extension, and that new floor would be less than the average over the life of the extension.

What I described above is what the NY Times reported in April of 2013 in a brief news release that was no doubt provided to them by Notre Dame and NBC. The $22M figure is likely what ND has shared with major boosters.

Cal chancellor Carol Christ expresses “three sets of concerns” about the Pac-12’s direction, criticizes the conference office itself

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/14/ca...dium=email

(12-15-2017 02:25 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Cal chancellor Carol Christ expresses “three sets of concerns” about the Pac-12’s direction, criticizes the conference office itself

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/14/ca...dium=email

Yeah, this is what all the woofing is about. They're kicking the tires and lighting the fires to see if they can make Scott fly. They want their present format to change and they want carriage. The question is can the find consensus about what they want?

(12-14-2017 03:27 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 07:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Programs like USC, UCLA, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida St, and Clemson might be able to make more money pulling out of their current conferences and bundling their rights together as a group of "Independents" bound together with a scheduling agreement.

I would't mind seeing the Big Ten annex the AAU Pac 12 schools.

In a perfect world the Big Ten and Pac 12 divide the spoils of the Big 12. We abolish the playoff and instead return to the Big Ten Champ-Pac 16 Champ matchup in the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl becomes an SEC/ACC affair. Winners meet a week later in a de facto national title game where the 4 leagues share the profits 4 ways but they just call it the Power 4 Championship.

Notre Dame makes only $15M per year in a contract with a broadcast network. No one is going to make make more than ND as an independent. This board is entertaining sometimes, but has a overabundance of true stupidity.

Stupidity?

Pull USC, UCLA, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Florida St, and Clemson out of their respective conferences and bundle their tv rights together in a package and I guarantee that they are going to demand top dollar and every bit as much as the per school payout that the SEC and Big Ten.

The reason why? THEY ARE ALL HUGE NAMES

That's a tv package with zero fluff and if those 7 are playing a round robin schedule that's a lot of high profile football games that Americans will watch.

I'm not sure what the minimum number of schools is for an FBS conference is nowadays. Maybe it's 8. You add an Oregon, or Stanford, or Virginia Tech, or Miami or heck, all of them plus one more to get to 12 and you are going to have one very attractive tv package than doesn't include fluff like Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Purdue, Northwestern, etc.

A possible, albeit unlikely, scenario for a Pac-12 breakdown.

Phase I: 2024/25

The Pac-12 is divided among the Big Ten and Big 12. Full deregulation of conference divisions and championship games occurs due to pressure from the enlarged Big Ten and the now widely-dispersed Big 12. FBS conferences drop divisions and most go to 4-team championship series. C-USA West spins off to create the new SWC. The Sun Belt is raided to the point of dropping football.

ACC (14): Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami-FL, NC State, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest (+ non-FB Notre Dame)

Big 12 (14): Arizona State, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Washington State, West Virginia

Big Ten (22): Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (14): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

AAC (12): Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, Navy (FB only), SMU, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa (+ non-FB Wichita State)

MWC (12): Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming

C-USA (12): Appalachian State, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky

MAC (12): Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami-OH, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan

SWC (12): Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, North Texas, Rice, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy, UAB, UTEP, UTSA

FBS Ind (7): Army, BYU, Liberty, Louisiana-Monroe, Massachusetts, New Mexico State, Notre Dame

~~~~~~

Phase II: 2036

The SEC raids the ACC, picking off Clemson, FSU, GT, Louisville, NCSU, and VT. The Big Ten admits ND (at last) and UVA. UNC turned down a Big Ten invite because Duke was not also invited. The tattered remnants of the ACC are folded into the grab bag that the Big 12 has become. By this time most independents have dropped from the FBS.

Big 12 (22): Arizona State, Baylor, Boston College, BYU, Duke, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami-FL, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Wake Forest, Washington State, West Virginia

Big Ten (24): Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (20): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

FBS Ind (1): Army

AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, SWC: no change

~~~~~~

Phase III: 2040-something

The Big 12, long held together by UT and OU, falls apart when those schools agree to join the SEC. KU, Miami, OSU, TCU, TT, and WV tag along. The Big Ten decides to add both UNC and Duke, along with Pitt and Syracuse. The rest of the Big 12 is split between the AAC and MWC.

Big Ten (28): Arizona, California, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, Syracuse, UCLA, USC, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (28): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Miami-FL, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, TCU, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

AAC (18): Army (FB only), Baylor, Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Navy (FB only), SMU, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, Wake Forest (+ non-FB Wichita State)

MWC (18): Air Force, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah, Utah State, UTEP, Washington State, Wyoming

SWC (12): Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Missouri State, North Texas, Rice, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy, UAB, UTSA

C-USA, MAC: no change

(12-15-2017 04:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  A possible, albeit unlikely, scenario for a Pac-12 breakdown.

Phase I: 2024/25

The Pac-12 is divided among the Big Ten and Big 12. Full deregulation of conference divisions and championship games occurs due to pressure from the enlarged Big Ten and the now widely-dispersed Big 12. FBS conferences drop divisions and most go to 4-team championship series. C-USA West spins off to create the new SWC. The Sun Belt is raided to the point of dropping football.

ACC (14): Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami-FL, NC State, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest (+ non-FB Notre Dame)

Big 12 (14): Arizona State, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Washington State, West Virginia

Big Ten (22): Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (14): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

AAC (12): Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, Navy (FB only), SMU, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa (+ non-FB Wichita State)

MWC (12): Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming

C-USA (12): Appalachian State, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky

MAC (12): Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami-OH, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan

SWC (12): Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, North Texas, Rice, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy, UAB, UTEP, UTSA

FBS Ind (7): Army, BYU, Liberty, Louisiana-Monroe, Massachusetts, New Mexico State, Notre Dame

~~~~~~

Phase II: 2036

The SEC raids the ACC, picking off Clemson, FSU, GT, Louisville, NCSU, and VT. The Big Ten admits ND (at last) and UVA. UNC turned down a Big Ten invite because Duke was not also invited. The tattered remnants of the ACC are folded into the grab bag that the Big 12 has become. By this time most independents have dropped from the FBS.

Big 12 (22): Arizona State, Baylor, Boston College, BYU, Duke, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami-FL, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, Wake Forest, Washington State, West Virginia

Big Ten (24): Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (20): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

FBS Ind (1): Army

AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, SWC: no change

~~~~~~

Phase III: 2040-something

The Big 12, long held together by UT and OU, falls apart when those schools agree to join the SEC. KU, Miami, OSU, TCU, TT, and WV tag along. The Big Ten decides to add both UNC and Duke, along with Pitt and Syracuse. The rest of the Big 12 is split between the AAC and MWC.

Big Ten (28): Arizona, California, Colorado, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Rutgers, Stanford, Syracuse, UCLA, USC, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin

SEC (28): Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Miami-FL, Mississippi State, Missouri, NC State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, TCU, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

AAC (18): Army (FB only), Baylor, Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Navy (FB only), SMU, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, Wake Forest (+ non-FB Wichita State)

MWC (18): Air Force, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii (FB only), Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah, Utah State, UTEP, Washington State, Wyoming

SWC (12): Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Missouri State, North Texas, Rice, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy, UAB, UTSA

C-USA, MAC: no change

What other threads have I seen this in? Hmm.... Oh well i'm not going to look it up.

Don't spam. It was a nice idea in the original thread but a bit out of place here.

(12-15-2017 06:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What other threads have I seen this in? Hmm.... Oh well i'm not going to look it up.

Don't spam. It was a nice idea in the original thread but a bit out of place here.

Actually it was just an earlier post in this same thread that fell victim to end-of-page obscurity. I expanded on it, deleted the original post, and posted the expanded version so someone might see it and offer feedback. If no one bites, then no big deal. I haven't posted this in any other threads.

The SEC and B1G are just miles ahead of the p3. Between the BigXII and the PAC-12 there are enough programs to field a B1G/SEC level conference. And such a conference would IMO ultimately be very stable with UT/OU balancing out the CA schools. The same could be said of a large block of PAC schools joining the B1G.

But it’s like a chemical reaction that has a very high energy of activation requiring a very potent catalyst but which would result in a more stable final compound.

This USC speculation is basically just evidence of an increasing financial and competitive catalyst forming. It’s going to take a lot more factors (Disney FOX deal being another potential catalyst) to make this reaction possible.

(12-15-2017 02:25 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Cal chancellor Carol Christ expresses “three sets of concerns” about the Pac-12’s direction, criticizes the conference office itself

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/14/ca...dium=email

The Name PAC and B-12 schools want more dollars then the PAC TV deal gives them. They also have no viable expansion targets. I could see a Big 12/Pac 12 merge of teams forming a new conference with Tier 3 rights owned by the schools. I could see Texas and USC starting a new 16 team conference both CA and Texas based to compete with the BIG and SEC.

West: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Arizona
East: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Colorado, Kansas
(I would try to replace Okie State with Nebraska to blunt the Bigs push west)

(12-19-2017 02:04 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 02:25 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Cal chancellor Carol Christ expresses “three sets of concerns” about the Pac-12’s direction, criticizes the conference office itself

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/14/ca...dium=email

The Name PAC and B-12 schools want more dollars then the PAC TV deal gives them. They also have no viable expansion targets. I could see a Big 12/Pac 12 merge of teams forming a new conference with Tier 3 rights owned by the schools. I could see Texas and USC starting a new 16 team conference both CA and Texas based to compete with the BIG and SEC.

West: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Arizona
East: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Colorado, Kansas

So K-State, Iowa State, and WVU are kicked to the curb?

ASU, Oregon St, and Wash St, are given their waking papers?

I don't think Washington goes anywhere without State, same for Arizona and ASU.

If anything, I think you'd see the PAC being split up between the XII and the B1G.