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(12-13-2017 04:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND just scheduled fb games at Nebraska in 2022 and 2026. Nebraska didnt do it for our demographics.

SDSU plays at Nebraska in 2020 and 2024. You are a cheap buy a win from a regional opponent nothing more.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
JMU has spent a lot of money upgrading our FCS domicile, we expect to break ground on our $88mm cabana in the spring. Our admin is comfortable in our lower mid-major, regional masters-level neighborhood. Maybe if our new peers like Eastern Mennonite and Longwood were to move to FBS we'd consider it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to finish submitting my donation for JMU's planned indoor ski slope addition. It isn't easy being the "national model" for large under-performing regional public universities.

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(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND just scheduled fb games at Nebraska in 2022 and 2026. Nebraska didnt do it for our demographics.

SDSU plays at Nebraska in 2020 and 2024. You are a cheap buy a win from a regional opponent nothing more.

That's what Nebraska thought about NIU this year. 04-rock
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(12-13-2017 05:12 PM)2Buck Wrote:  JMU has spent a lot of money upgrading our FCS domicile, we expect to break ground on our $88mm cabana in the spring. Our admin is comfortable in our lower mid-major, regional masters-level neighborhood. Maybe if our new peers like Eastern Mennonite and Longwood were to move to FBS we'd consider it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to finish submitting my donation for JMU's planned indoor ski slope addition. It isn't easy being the "national model" for large under-performing regional public universities.

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Poor James Madison. If they had the right kind of admin., they'd be dominating C-USA right now.
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(12-13-2017 06:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND just scheduled fb games at Nebraska in 2022 and 2026. Nebraska didnt do it for our demographics.

SDSU plays at Nebraska in 2020 and 2024. You are a cheap buy a win from a regional opponent nothing more.

That's what Nebraska thought about NIU this year. 04-rock

In 2022,Ga Southern will get $1.423 million for visiting Lincoln.
As it stands right now, UND will get $515 thousand for the visit.

An $908,000 difference would pay for much of FBS annual operating costs increases.

Incidentally, UND and SDSU announced the schedules on the same day. It's almost like the AD's are working with each other. SDSU gets games in 2020, 2024, and 2028.

USD is nearly on the Nebraska border, so that kind of deal would be huge for recruiting, so too much downside for the Huskers. NDSU is a no because they have an amazing record against P5 schools.
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(12-12-2017 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The NCAA and the P5 and G5 needs to avoid any anti-trust cases that can be brought against them from lawmakers in states that do not have a school in FBS.

Ahhhhhhhh..... there’s the delusional DavidSt attempt at hijacking the thread.
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(12-13-2017 11:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 06:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND just scheduled fb games at Nebraska in 2022 and 2026. Nebraska didnt do it for our demographics.

SDSU plays at Nebraska in 2020 and 2024. You are a cheap buy a win from a regional opponent nothing more.

That's what Nebraska thought about NIU this year. 04-rock

In 2022,Ga Southern will get $1.423 million for visiting Lincoln.
As it stands right now, UND will get $515 thousand for the visit.

An $908,000 difference would pay for much of FBS annual operating costs increases.

Incidentally, UND and SDSU announced the schedules on the same day. It's almost like the AD's are working with each other. SDSU gets games in 2020, 2024, and 2028.

USD is nearly on the Nebraska border, so that kind of deal would be huge for recruiting, so too much downside for the Huskers. NDSU is a no because they have an amazing record against P5 schools.


NDSU seems to get more to play FBS schools than North Dakota. More fan interest because they are hard to beat.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
From 2011-2015, I was an FBS at all costs proponent. The money was good, our peers were leaving, the CAA was crumbling.

These days, I see that App, GSU, and ODU spend a lot of $$$. I know they get good guarantees, a few P5 games, and the FBS label. But to be honest, the lower G5s play a stacked deck. They will NEVER see the playoff (rest assured if it goes to 8, most years it will still be P5s) and they play for low level bowl games. The conferences aren't regional, and fan interest has stagnated.

None of this is to say that I begrudge those schools for leaving. They made a choice that was probably right for them. For JMU, at this time with the current G5 landscape, I don't see much upside to being FBS. All that could change tomorrow if the G5 were to reorganize, but for now, I just don't see the benefit to the added cost.
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(12-13-2017 05:12 PM)2Buck Wrote:  JMU has spent a lot of money upgrading our FCS domicile, we expect to break ground on our $88mm cabana in the spring. Our admin is comfortable in our lower mid-major, regional masters-level neighborhood. Maybe if our new peers like Eastern Mennonite and Longwood were to move to FBS we'd consider it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to finish submitting my donation for JMU's planned indoor ski slope addition. It isn't easy being the "national model" for large under-performing regional public universities.

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Easily the funniest post of the month thus far. Very well played.

2004 - If I were in your circumstances I would be telling myself the same things.
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(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.

huh?

so not having a losing season since 2002....winning the championship in 2004.....being ranked #1 almost all of 2008 and reaching the semi-finals that year....beating FBS power Virginia Tech in 2010, a year they won the Orange Bowl....also in the playoffs in 2005, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2014, 2015....

only been solid the last two years?

huh?
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(12-14-2017 06:21 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 11:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 06:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:40 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 04:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UND just scheduled fb games at Nebraska in 2022 and 2026. Nebraska didnt do it for our demographics.

SDSU plays at Nebraska in 2020 and 2024. You are a cheap buy a win from a regional opponent nothing more.

That's what Nebraska thought about NIU this year. 04-rock

In 2022,Ga Southern will get $1.423 million for visiting Lincoln.
As it stands right now, UND will get $515 thousand for the visit.

An $908,000 difference would pay for much of FBS annual operating costs increases.

Incidentally, UND and SDSU announced the schedules on the same day. It's almost like the AD's are working with each other. SDSU gets games in 2020, 2024, and 2028.

USD is nearly on the Nebraska border, so that kind of deal would be huge for recruiting, so too much downside for the Huskers. NDSU is a no because they have an amazing record against P5 schools.


NDSU seems to get more to play FBS schools than North Dakota. More fan interest because they are hard to beat.

NDSU doesn't have any G5 teams scheduled. Only PAC-12 seems to want to schedule them now.

NDSU's future FBS games: Oregon, Arizona, Colorado

Meanwhile, UND has more P5 games, Washington, Kansas St, Iowa St, Nebraska (2) and G5 Utah St.

Most of our FBS games in the past were against G5s like Idaho (2), San Diego St, SJSU, Fresno St, Bowling Green and Wyoming. Have played Utah and Texas Tech though. Wyoming was our only FBS win so far.
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(12-14-2017 12:21 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 05:12 PM)2Buck Wrote:  JMU has spent a lot of money upgrading our FCS domicile, we expect to break ground on our $88mm cabana in the spring. Our admin is comfortable in our lower mid-major, regional masters-level neighborhood. Maybe if our new peers like Eastern Mennonite and Longwood were to move to FBS we'd consider it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to finish submitting my donation for JMU's planned indoor ski slope addition. It isn't easy being the "national model" for large under-performing regional public universities.

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Easily the funniest post of the month thus far. Very well played.

2004 - If I were in your circumstances I would be telling myself the same things.

We're not Liberty. We don't have a cash cow, nor could we operate as an independent.

Liberty hasn't been very relevant at the FCS level. I can understand how they might feel the FBS pull after being stuck in the Big South for so long.

FBS make sense for Liberty.
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Give me Liberty or 340 other D-I schools. Death may also work.
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Well the moment of truth may be upon us for the return of a WAC FBS.

Sam Houston St lost in the FCS playoffs.

Earlier, the Big West seemed to prepare for the loss of Cal Poly and UCDavis be taking in UCSD and Bakersfield, schools they rejected previously. But now the Big West already has its ducks in a row for those tentative school defections.

The invited WAC schools will need to pump FBS status for recruiting when it starts like in 2020. The schools won't move for a year or two.
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Seriously, this has to be getting old for NDSU.
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Imagine if South Dakota State knocks off James madison today? It would be an all MVFC championship game.
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(12-14-2017 10:38 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  From 2011-2015, I was an FBS at all costs proponent. The money was good, our peers were leaving, the CAA was crumbling.

These days, I see that App, GSU, and ODU spend a lot of $$$. I know they get good guarantees, a few P5 games, and the FBS label. But to be honest, the lower G5s play a stacked deck. They will NEVER see the playoff (rest assured if it goes to 8, most years it will still be P5s) and they play for low level bowl games. The conferences aren't regional, and fan interest has stagnated.

None of this is to say that I begrudge those schools for leaving. They made a choice that was probably right for them. For JMU, at this time with the current G5 landscape, I don't see much upside to being FBS. All that could change tomorrow if the G5 were to reorganize, but for now, I just don't see the benefit to the added cost.

I think the big selling point isn't the postseason but the OOC. ODU has a long-term contract with Virginia Tech, has hosted North Carolina and N.C. State and will have Virginia, Wake Forest and East Carolina coming in. App State has hosted Miami and Wake Forest with UNC and ECU on future schedules. Liberty has Virginia Tech, Virginia, Syracuse and BYU.

The question isn't so much "would I rather play South Dakota State in the FCS semifinals or Akron in a bowl game?" as it is "would I rather play an ACC school on my campus in September or South Dakota State in the FCS semifinals?" That's where the real separation between G5 and FCS occurs.
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It's JMU vs NDSU for the FCS Championship on Jan 6th at Frisco, Texas.

The FCS field will implode shortly after that game.
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(12-16-2017 07:03 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Seriously, this has to be getting old for NDSU.

It never seems to get old for Mt. Union and Wisconsin-Whitewater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...ampionship
Mt. Union 13 titles and 7 runnerups in 25 years
WI-Whitewater 6 titles and 3 runnerups in 13 years
Mary Hardin-Baylor, runnerup this year, champion last year and St. Thomas MN, runnerup twice are the only other schools in the title game since Linfield OR won over MH-B in 2004.
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But don't some of those schools have only hundreds of students? Of course they shouldn't move up. NDSU is much bigger.

Look what Madison did. Geez, it's just time.
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