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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(12-15-2017 09:33 PM)XLance Wrote: (12-14-2017 02:17 PM)JRsec Wrote: (12-14-2017 12:01 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: (12-14-2017 08:27 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: Well, some clarity on what goes where with today's news, but leaving a few new questions:
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/disney-to-...l-cm891593
Quote:Walt Disney ( DIS ) said Thursday that it has reached a $66.1 billion deal to acquire 21st Century Fox 's ( FOXA ) entertainment assets, as the media giant prepares to up the ante against Netflix ( NFLX ) and Amazon ( AMZN ) in streaming content.
Disney will pay $52.4 billion in stock as well as assume $13.7 billion in debt to buy 21st Century Fox. Disney will get the 20th Century Fox's movie and TV studios, key Fox cable channels, and certain international properties.
Fox will spin off Fox Broadcasting network and stations, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, FS1, FS2 and Big Ten Network into a separately traded firm before the Disney takeover.
With the billions of dollars that will come in while keeping the BTN, I could see the remaining Fox company look into purchasing the Pac network. Even as a smaller company, Fox still has valuable assets and more money to play with. The issue now is that they can no longer have the comic book characters and movie studio to bring in the cash. Also, the NFL deal expires in the next decade.
College sports is still a cheaper deal but with less margin for error they're going to have to pick and choose which will provide the most value from now on. I think at this point the prime B12 programs are effectively out of any discussion, so it's down to the West Coast PAC AAU schools or nothing, with nothing being in the lead unless "Remain Fox" backs it up with serious money to cover travel expenses.
Another thought is that the Big Ten and Big Twelve divvy up the PAC, with the PAC programs exchanging the shares of the PAC Network for shares of BTN and whatever network replaces the LHN. I'm not sure if that's possible, tax wise, but it's an interesting thought.
Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA
or
Washington, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado
That leaves:
Washington State, Oregon State, Utah, Arizona State to BXII with either Arizona/Colorado or USC/Stanford.
Would they keep the Big East or look into acquiring G5 content to fill up some timeslots? What happens to Fox College Sports?
I would be confident that the combination of Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, and UCLA would leave for the B1G. Arizona and Colorado may be invited along.
Washington St, Oregon St, Utah, and Arizona St along with BYU, San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, and Houston. West Virginia finding a home in the ACC or SEC.
It's not going to work that way. First of all B.Y.U., San Diego State, Boise State, and others of their ilk won't find their way into any Eastern conference period. The revenue is too ridiculously low and the travel expense too high.
Washington State and Oregon State are too small and remote to make it.
It is still more likely that the PAC stays together and adds 4 from the Big 12. Now in order to land that 12 they're going to have to sell ESPN their PACN. That will enable Texas, Texas Tech, and two others to make that move.
And if they didn't agree to it and the PAC got parsed, which is much much less likely to happen, then where would those schools move their sports? Would they go with FOX's FS1 & FS2 given the political differences of those two groups, or would they go with PC Disney which has it's original enterprise in California?
I would seriously look for them to strike a deal with Disney which means the Big 12 gets a face lift. The most screwed college sports enterprise coming out of this deal is the BTN which I imagine was left in FOX's hands to allay claims of a monopoly. There were other streaming and movie producers out there. But if FS1 and FS2 along with the BTN are taken then ESPN has a monopoly. FS1 and FS2 will be taken care of as will the BTN but make no mistake their content boosts will be perks from Disney and they will be even less of a player moving forward. The Big 10 won't be hurt by this financially, but if any divisions of schools comes out of it look for fair treatment, but no exceptional treatment.
The LHN can be used now to pool all Big 12 T3 rights into it. If that happens and it becomes the B12N then Arizona, Arizona State, USC, UCLA, definitely become interesting possibilities.
Look for W.V.U. to move to either the SEC or ACC. Look for ESPN to encourage a Texas private or two to move as well. Maybe T.C.U. to the SEC, especially if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State remain in a rebuilding Big 12. If the Big 10 grows out of this then Colorado and Kansas make sense to go with Nebraska. The Big 10 like the SEC isn't going to grow with gaps and remote schools. Those two fit and still provide the BTN with a large market in Denver and gives the Big 10 the schools where both football and basketball began (Rutgers and Kansas).
Personally, I think the California schools stick together and that Oregon and Washington will want that as well. Utah gets the last slot in the Big 12.
I still think if the PAC is absorbed that Washington State and Oregon State join with the aforementioned smaller West Coast schools to form some new sort of WAC which with a rebuilt and consolidated AAC become by far the best of the G2. And if that can be done then a new upper division is formed consisting of the new P4 and the new G2.
But most likely what comes of this is that the 4 Texas schools, or 3 Texas schools & Kansas State move to the PAC and the LHN becomes ESPN's version of the PACN, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move to the SEC. Iowa State and Kansas head to the Big 10. And West Virginia and Notre Dame join the ACC.
The wild card IMO is Notre Dame. They might opt to join the Big 10 for the cash and academic relationship, and ease of travel for minor sports should they be forced to go all in. If they do so then Notre Dame and Kansas are the adds in the Big 10. Then Connecticut and West Virginia probably round out the ACC.
So if the PAC sticks together we might see this:
Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech, T.C.U.
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal
California, Colorado, Stanford, Utah
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
SEC
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
Big 10
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska
Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
ACC
Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
If it doesn't go that way it turns out like a posted about a page ago in this thread.
Minimal movement is the most likely path, not ideal, just the most likely for now.
The list in bold is pretty close to what B12 absorptions may look like in the 4 @ 16 P4 design. The problem would be getting a consensus in some cooperative design whereby all are happy, i. e. B12 schools, PAC, ACC, BIG, SEC, Notre Dame, and the networks. Of course G5 would have added complaints but less power, given they are fully bypassed.
Whose going to be the catalyst to set it all up? If the motivation will be really evident, there could be a way. Doing it piecemeal, it will just look different, and a conference could opt for a particular G5 school instead of B12 being the sole feeder.
And somebody may have to pay-off disenfranchised Baylor. Just saying.....
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