I cant believe the G5 commissioners would even consider it--but apparently they did discuss it a bit before discarding it as essentially impossible at this time.


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Sun Belt’s Karl Benson tells @GregMcElroy Group of 5 commissioners have had “some casual conversations (about a Group of 5 playoff), nothing serious because we’re under contract w/@CFBPlayoff ... but right now everyone is happy where we are”

Those conferences need every but of revenue they can find. If you can have a second playoff and make some money selling the TV rights they'll look to see if it's feasible.

Someone posted the idea here a while back, but the NCAA had some cajones they should sponsor a playoff with G5 champs and 1-3 teams that are left out of the playoff (this year maybe Ohio St, So Cal, and Auburn). Would make a TON of money and may create an NCAA/NIT situation down the road.

(12-14-2017 04:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I cant believe the G5 commissioners would even consider it--but apparently they did discuss it a bit before discarding it as essentially impossible at this time.


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Sun Belt’s Karl Benson tells @GregMcElroy Group of 5 commissioners have had “some casual conversations (about a Group of 5 playoff), nothing serious because we’re under contract w/@CFBPlayoff ... but right now everyone is happy where we are”

Karl Benson. Explains it!

There was absolutely no chance Aresco was signing up for that so not even sure why he was there.

I’m not in favor of the G5 separating themselves completely from the CFP and P5 in favor of their own playoff. Georgia Southern didn’t come all this way to be in the FCS part 2 which is essentially what the G5 playoff would be.

I like the idea of an NIT type playoff. The CFP can expand to 8 teams and the NIT-type can be the next 8 teams which will include 1-3 G5 teams. Should a G5 team win the NIT-type playoff, they’ll be higher ranked the next season and could then be considered for the CFP.

Iam for a separate FBS playoff, but only if it does NOT have a committee of any kind at all, let on field records decide who plays who and where, have the real football heads draw this up and tell the networks this is how it’s gonna be, then over time the current playoffs will look stupider and stupider with their network controlled committee

(12-14-2017 04:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  There was absolutely no chance Aresco was signing up for that so not even sure why he was there.

Public bluster is one thing, but realism often prevails behind closed doors.

(12-14-2017 05:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  There was absolutely no chance Aresco was signing up for that so not even sure why he was there.

Public bluster is one thing, but realism often prevails behind closed doors.

Actually, if I'm advising Aresco, I say go to the meeting to make sure the other 4 idiots don't create something that your conference gets forced into.

There already is a football playoff for universities who can't compete with the Ohio States and Alabamas and USCs and Louisvilles. It's called FCS and it's financial death.

(I don't know exactly how the AAC could be forced into a G5 playoff. But it's not worth the risk, so argue at least one other commissioner out of seceding from FBS.)

(12-14-2017 04:18 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Those conferences need every but of revenue they can find. If you can have a second playoff and make some money selling the TV rights they'll look to see if it's feasible.

The current playoff contract provides the G5 with some revenue, and I seriously doubt that any independent TV playoff contract would provide as much or better. And that doesn't take into account the long-term damage of willingly putting themselves into a ghetto would do.

How much TV money does the FCS playoffs make for the FCS conferences? Would a G5 playoff fare any better, financially? I see no reason that it would.

(12-14-2017 04:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I cant believe the G5 commissioners would even consider it--but apparently they did discuss it a bit before discarding it as essentially impossible at this time.

AC, you're a fan, so you have the luxury of emphasizing symbolism. You can afford to take the stance of "we can't do that, a G5 playoff would be throwing in the towel, telling the world that we aren't equal to the Power conferences. We would be accepting second-class status!"

But these commissioners have fiscal responsibilities. If accepting symbolic second-class status will make their conferences more money, then it is rational for them to discuss proposals that make that trade-off.

(12-14-2017 05:09 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  And that doesn't take into account the long-term damage of willingly putting themselves into a ghetto would do.

It's a couple years late for that.

(12-14-2017 05:09 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  How much TV money does the FCS playoffs make for the FCS conferences? Would a G5 playoff fare any better, financially? I see no reason that it would.

You might notice that they did not, in the end, elect to hold a playoff. The argument isn't that they were stupid not to, it's that the conferences without huge revenue streams are going to investigate every potential alternative revenue stream. Nobody should be shocked if any of the G5 conferences whiteboard some relatively out there concepts.

Maybe these commissioners know something, like there maybe no financial increase next contracts
Their meeting was about “ what if’s” or a doomsday type meeting
Maybe they are seeing that live streaming will make a second FBS playoff really competitive against the current committee controlled playoffs with their 10 to 15 selective teams

I would imagine there has been some kicking the tires on some sort of playoff to replace some or all of the bowls for the G5.

Remember that announced payouts are bull droppings and conferences are subsidizing many of these events not just with ticket sales but marketing agreements that bolster the announced payout. Conferences often subsidize teams sent out of region.

A playoff would have lower overhead and if you host increase the value of your premium seating.

If you want the CFP to expand to 8 effectively running an 8 team event is a good way to up the pressure.

But I seriously doubt its gone beyond "wonder what would happen"

(12-14-2017 05:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I cant believe the G5 commissioners would even consider it--but apparently they did discuss it a bit before discarding it as essentially impossible at this time.

AC, you're a fan, so you have the luxury of emphasizing symbolism. You can afford to take the stance of "we can't do that, a G5 playoff would be throwing in the towel, telling the world that we aren't equal to the Power conferences. We would be accepting second-class status!"

But these commissioners have fiscal responsibilities. If accepting symbolic second-class status will make their conferences more money, then it is rational for them to discuss proposals that make that trade-off.

Being Devils Advocate, what happens if the P5 decides they no longer wish to have the G5 be part of their money. They could choose to create their own division or split from the NCAA. NCAA has more to lose because the power conferences could create their own basketball tourney instead of doing the NCAA.

Most people do not realize, the conferences are not controlled by the NCAA but the NCAA and non football conferences depend on the Power 5 money. The P5 has more power than most non P5 fans want to admit.

I just hope this "casual conversation" happened in the hotel bar after a few cocktails and a long day of meetings, cause I know that's when I say a lot of stupid business things.

Thankfully all is forgotten the next morning while in line for a coffee and Danish.

The CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt are trying to circumvent the system. They're attempting to stage the G5 playoff first round this year:

Boca Raton: FAU (CUSA #1) v. Akron (MAC #2)
New Orleans: Troy (Sun Belt #1) v. North Texas (CUSA #2)
Dollar General: Toledo (MAC #1) v. Appalachian St. (Sun Belt #2)

If only they could get the Armed Forces Bowl to send its winner to the quarterfinals...San Diego St. (MWC #3) or Army (10-2, Indy).

I think it is providing for the off season message board conversations. However, it would not surprise me if the P5 did encourage it just to to remind th P6 AAC of its place.

Iam fully aware the 5 autonomous conferences have all the power in college Football at least right now
I hoping that live streaming will blow to smithereens what the networks have built, just my feelings

I feel like a G5 playoff would be really simple:

Top G5 champion goes to NY6

That leaves four teams. 2 bowl games, and figure out a way to do a plus one.