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Exclamation It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
They have nothing left to prove.
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All four of the FCS semifinalists will be moving up soon, in my estimation. Sam Houston St and SDakSU are the other two.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

Sam is just fine where they are. They're not even developed enough for the Sun Belt.
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(12-10-2017 03:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

AAC I hear has a couple of openings.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.
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(12-10-2017 04:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.


Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.
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(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 04:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.


Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.
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(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 04:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.


Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.
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JMU should have been FBS years ago when App and GaSo moved up.
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(12-10-2017 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  JMU should have been FBS years ago when App and GaSo moved up.

Shy Jimmy should have lost his virginity years ago when Slutty Betty made the offer. She's found JEsus now, and Jimmy is out of luck.
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(12-10-2017 03:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

They're simply too far west for the MAC, even as a duo. Put them in Iowa or east of there and we'd talk, but not now. Football-only is also out of the question after basically getting used by UCF, Temple, and UMass until they didn't need us anymore.

Had UMass accepted our all-sports offer we almost certainly would've offered JMU as the 14th school. In a perfect world the MAC would be able to shed BG, Kent, and EMU for JMU, Marshall, and Cincy imo, but that ain't happening.
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(12-10-2017 11:54 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 03:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

They're simply too far west for the MAC, even as a duo. Put them in Iowa or east of there and we'd talk, but not now. Football-only is also out of the question after basically getting used by UCF, Temple, and UMass until they didn't need us anymore.

Had UMass accepted our all-sports offer we almost certainly would've offered JMU as the 14th school. In a perfect world the MAC would be able to shed BG, Kent, and EMU for JMU, Marshall, and Cincy imo, but that ain't happening.

I doubt that Bowling Green, Kent STate or EMU would consider that a perfect world.
Like the Handmaid's Tale promos from last year said,
"Better never means better for everyone"
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(12-10-2017 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 04:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.


Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?
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(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 04:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely.

My ideal FBS is capped at 140 with James Madison, Delaware, 2 XDSU’s, 2 Montana’s, Missouri St & Jax St moving up.


Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.
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Even for App State they haven't topped their FCS average attendance record.
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(12-10-2017 11:56 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 11:54 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 03:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

They're simply too far west for the MAC, even as a duo. Put them in Iowa or east of there and we'd talk, but not now. Football-only is also out of the question after basically getting used by UCF, Temple, and UMass until they didn't need us anymore.

Had UMass accepted our all-sports offer we almost certainly would've offered JMU as the 14th school. In a perfect world the MAC would be able to shed BG, Kent, and EMU for JMU, Marshall, and Cincy imo, but that ain't happening.

I doubt that Bowling Green, Kent STate or EMU would consider that a perfect world.
Like the Handmaid's Tale promos from last year said,
"Better never means better for everyone"

Of course, that's just from my selfish Miami perspective. Doubt that UC would go for something like that either.
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(12-10-2017 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  JMU should have been FBS years ago when App and GaSo moved up.

Should have joined the MAC when UMASS was there. Fits into the East real nice with Ohio right over the border. 07-coffee3
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(12-10-2017 02:11 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  JMU should have been FBS years ago when App and GaSo moved up.

Should have joined the MAC when UMASS was there. Fits into the East real nice with Ohio right over the border. 07-coffee3

To be fair, I don't think they ever had a MAC offer. They would have if UMass had joined the MAC, and the MAC needed a #14, but UMass said "No thanks", so the MAC had no spot for JMU.

(I could be wrong, but I don't think there was ever a time when the MAC was ready to take James MAdison the way the Sun Belt was.)
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(12-10-2017 11:56 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 11:54 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 03:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even if it means being an indy, although maybe the MAC will throw the Dakota States a vine if they come as a package deal.

They're simply too far west for the MAC, even as a duo. Put them in Iowa or east of there and we'd talk, but not now. Football-only is also out of the question after basically getting used by UCF, Temple, and UMass until they didn't need us anymore.

Had UMass accepted our all-sports offer we almost certainly would've offered JMU as the 14th school. In a perfect world the MAC would be able to shed BG, Kent, and EMU for JMU, Marshall, and Cincy imo, but that ain't happening.

I doubt that Bowling Green, Kent STate or EMU would consider that a perfect world.
Like the Handmaid's Tale promos from last year said,
"Better never means better for everyone"

Heck, I doubt Cincy would consider that a perfect world. They hardly want to be demoted to be considered another Toledo or Akron.
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(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.

Whether they feel it's beneficial or not, they've outgrown FCS. Time for new challenges. They can always move back down later
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