(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:09 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

First because i don't believe anyone of us saw what was coming. Last year was an aberration. A culture had been established by the previous staff, and Tubby could not break through with that team and change that culture. This year with only two returning players he has a herculean task just to get them to trust each other and play up to their potential. Tubby is a lock to be a future Hall of Fame coach, so some of us believe he has earned an opportunity to improve this program and deserves our support. We believe he will bring the program back to respectability and fan worthy support. Of course there is a word for that.

Link?

yea, people keep saying that, but i'm not sure why.

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I could care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

I'm glad you could care less, but you need to care more.

The players brought in this spring and summer show exactly why rankings are instructive.

Here's the bad part, though, and why I don't see the need on "waiting on another year."

I'm guessing this team wins 17-19 games and beats no one of real consequence. Martin is the best outside shooter at 34% and Johnson may be promising, but is struggling now (29%).

Tubby will essentially be trotting out the SAME team as next year, minus their third best player. Add Vanover, who shouldn't be expected to offer much at all next year, and two other recruits to be named later (likely role-player types) and next year this team might be expected to fight for an NIT bid.

THEN----
You lose Martin. And Davenport. And Brewton. And Thornton. And Parks. And Rhodes.

You then have Enoh, Nickel, and Johnson (provided none of them transfer) to go along with Vanover and two other players who likely get little to no PT as frosh. Then you have a huge recruiting class that will be coming (6+ players) in.

Basically, it will be a hard reset to allow two more years of "development" until the 2018/19 classes get a chance to be "coached up."

So then year four is another tourney miss, with the hope year five is "close" to an NCAA bid with year 6 (meaning re-up Tubby) is THE year it all comes together with Nickel, Enoh, and JJ as seniors, Vanover as a junior, etc.

However, if you move on after this year, clean a little house, get a coach who can get players and then go for a monster class in 2019 (I've heard there is some local talent in that class) you do it.

Not to mention that basically trotting out the same team next year with the same coach will lead to even more program malaise. People will already know the deal with that team and be even less excited than this year.

No bueno.

(12-07-2017 01:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:11 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:03 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:00 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I like Tubby. Anything that isnt the utter futility that was Pastner would be better actually. All that loser had to sell was recruiting. Got us nowhere in seven years because he couldn't coach or run a program. But it got the masses excited enough every year to give him another year. I take it as a plus that the masses don't like Tubby. The rallying cry is replace Tuby with a young guy who can recruit. Had that already. It sucked.

This makes perfect sense.

Like I said.

Pastner's fault that Tubby sucks.

Pastner sucks. Seven years of smoke and mirrors. Just past one year of Tubby now. Time will tell if he sucks or not. Not that hard of a concept.

And it's not that hard of a concept to see that none of these areas are going well-

recruiting
media relations
fan support
on the court success

I'm seriously asking, what HAS gone well, what on the court improvements have you seen, what is the glimmer of hope that things are going to turn around?

Please don't say these things-
1) they play hard (that is the least you can expect)
2) he's won everywhere (not exactly true)
3) He's not Pastner

Yes, Josh was a mistake, he should have been fired 2 years ago, there was a mess to clean up. The point is other than run off the whole team last year, there isn't a foundation to build on. You don't rebuild with 6 juco's...

It's not that he should have been fired, Josh should have never been hired at Memphis. Too young and no experience running a program. Fired everybody up with recruiting though. So much so, people are still stuck on that.

Tubby has never recruited at a high level. Not gonna do it here, but Since Pastner did, fans are in a tizzy. Every reason experience wise to have hired him though. If it doesn't work out, another guy will get a shot.Tubby was a safe hire that may or may not work out. The rest is conjecture mostly from people that thought, for no good reason, that Pastner was doing a good job here. Just more proof that opinions are just noise. Results matter. One year is not enough time to measure results IMO.

(12-07-2017 01:42 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:11 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:03 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:00 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I like Tubby. Anything that isnt the utter futility that was Pastner would be better actually. All that loser had to sell was recruiting. Got us nowhere in seven years because he couldn't coach or run a program. But it got the masses excited enough every year to give him another year. I take it as a plus that the masses don't like Tubby. The rallying cry is replace Tuby with a young guy who can recruit. Had that already. It sucked.

This makes perfect sense.

Like I said.

Pastner's fault that Tubby sucks.

Pastner sucks. Seven years of smoke and mirrors. Just past one year of Tubby now. Time will tell if he sucks or not. Not that hard of a concept.

And it's not that hard of a concept to see that none of these areas are going well-

recruiting
media relations
fan support
on the court success

I'm seriously asking, what HAS gone well, what on the court improvements have you seen, what is the glimmer of hope that things are going to turn around?

Please don't say these things-
1) they play hard (that is the least you can expect)
2) he's won everywhere (not exactly true)
3) He's not Pastner

Yes, Josh was a mistake, he should have been fired 2 years ago, there was a mess to clean up. The point is other than run off the whole team last year, there isn't a foundation to build on. You don't rebuild with 6 juco's...

It's not that he should have been fired, Josh should have never been hired at Memphis. Too young and no experience running a program. Fired everybody up with recruiting though. So much so, people are still stuck on that.

Tubby has never recruited at a high level. Not gonna do it here, but Since Pastner did, fans are in a tizzy. Every reason experience wise to have hired him though. If it doesn't work out, another guy will get a shot.Tubby was a safe hire that may or may not work out. The rest is conjecture mostly from people that thought, for no good reason, that Pastner was doing a good job here. Just more proof that opinions are just noise. Results matter. One year is not enough time to measure results IMO.

Josh Pastner
Memphis Tigers(Conference USA)(2009-2013)
2009–10 Memphis 24–10 13–3 2nd NIT Second Round
2010–11 Memphis 25–10 10–6 4th NCAA Round of 64
2011–12 Memphis 26–9 13–3 1st NCAA Round of 64
2012–13 Memphis 31–5 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Memphis 24–10 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Round of 32
2014–15 Memphis 18–14 10–8 T–5th
2015–16 Memphis 19–15 8–10 7th

Tubby Smith
2010–11 Minnesota 17–14 6–12 9th
2011–12 Minnesota 23–15 6–12 T–9th NIT Runner-up
2012–13 Minnesota 21–13 8–10 T–7th NCAA Third Round
Minnesota: 124–81 (.605) 46–62 (.426)
Texas Tech Red Raiders (Big 12 Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Texas Tech 14–18 6–12 9th
2014–15 Texas Tech 13–19 3–15 10th
2015–16 Texas Tech 19–13 9–9 7th NCAA First Round
Texas Tech: 45–50 (.474) 18–36 (.333)
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2016–present)
2016–17 Memphis 19–13 9–9 T–5th

you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:09 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

First because i don't believe anyone of us saw what was coming. Last year was an aberration. A culture had been established by the previous staff, and Tubby could not break through with that team and change that culture. This year with only two returning players he has a herculean task just to get them to trust each other and play up to their potential. Tubby is a lock to be a future Hall of Fame coach, so some of us believe he has earned an opportunity to improve this program and deserves our support. We believe he will bring the program back to respectability and fan worthy support. Of course there is a word for that.

Link?

yea, people keep saying that, but i'm not sure why.

go to thecomback.com search Tubby Smith click the importance of being Tubby Smith. You may have to enter thecomeback.com the link may not be working.

(12-07-2017 12:30 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think there are any left.

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

I'm glad you could care less, but you need to care more.

The players brought in this spring and summer show exactly why rankings are instructive.

I stand by my statement. I couldn't care less how these kids are ranked. Do rankings give some indication of how good they are or can be--- sometimes. But they miss quite a bit. Tubby has gotten kids with less stars than what Memphis has deemed "good enough" in the past (see both Hollins kids as examples) and utilized them very well on his teams.

The reason I don't care about rankings that much is because it depends on how the kid fits into your system. Anthony Miller, tremendous upside, overlooked in high school, fit into a great system at Memphis and is proving his worth.

I'm not defending Tubby's recruiting. They could all turn out poorly here. But to only hang your hat on recruiting is to re-live the same outcome we had a few years ago. Give it time, let it play out, and then make a decision.

(12-07-2017 12:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

There are only about 12 million reasons.

I don’t get why this didn’t end discussion. You have to figure this out before anything else.

(12-07-2017 01:53 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:42 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:11 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:03 PM)jamammy Wrote:  This makes perfect sense.

Like I said.

Pastner's fault that Tubby sucks.

Pastner sucks. Seven years of smoke and mirrors. Just past one year of Tubby now. Time will tell if he sucks or not. Not that hard of a concept.

And it's not that hard of a concept to see that none of these areas are going well-

recruiting
media relations
fan support
on the court success

I'm seriously asking, what HAS gone well, what on the court improvements have you seen, what is the glimmer of hope that things are going to turn around?

Please don't say these things-
1) they play hard (that is the least you can expect)
2) he's won everywhere (not exactly true)
3) He's not Pastner

Yes, Josh was a mistake, he should have been fired 2 years ago, there was a mess to clean up. The point is other than run off the whole team last year, there isn't a foundation to build on. You don't rebuild with 6 juco's...

It's not that he should have been fired, Josh should have never been hired at Memphis. Too young and no experience running a program. Fired everybody up with recruiting though. So much so, people are still stuck on that.

Tubby has never recruited at a high level. Not gonna do it here, but Since Pastner did, fans are in a tizzy. Every reason experience wise to have hired him though. If it doesn't work out, another guy will get a shot.Tubby was a safe hire that may or may not work out. The rest is conjecture mostly from people that thought, for no good reason, that Pastner was doing a good job here. Just more proof that opinions are just noise. Results matter. One year is not enough time to measure results IMO.

Josh Pastner
Memphis Tigers(Conference USA)(2009-2013)
2009–10 Memphis 24–10 13–3 2nd NIT Second Round
2010–11 Memphis 25–10 10–6 4th NCAA Round of 64
2011–12 Memphis 26–9 13–3 1st NCAA Round of 64
2012–13 Memphis 31–5 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Memphis 24–10 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Round of 32
2014–15 Memphis 18–14 10–8 T–5th
2015–16 Memphis 19–15 8–10 7th

Tubby Smith
2010–11 Minnesota 17–14 6–12 9th
2011–12 Minnesota 23–15 6–12 T–9th NIT Runner-up
2012–13 Minnesota 21–13 8–10 T–7th NCAA Third Round
Minnesota: 124–81 (.605) 46–62 (.426)
Texas Tech Red Raiders (Big 12 Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Texas Tech 14–18 6–12 9th
2014–15 Texas Tech 13–19 3–15 10th
2015–16 Texas Tech 19–13 9–9 7th NCAA First Round
Texas Tech: 45–50 (.474) 18–36 (.333)
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2016–present)
2016–17 Memphis 19–13 9–9 T–5th

Quit bringing logic and facts into this. You Miserable.

(12-07-2017 02:07 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I could care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

I'm glad you could care less, but you need to care more.

The players brought in this spring and summer show exactly why rankings are instructive.

I stand by my statement. I could care less how these kids are ranked. Do rankings give some indication of how good they are or can be--- sometimes. But they miss quite a bit. Tubby has gotten kids with less stars than what Memphis has deemed "good enough" in the past (see both Hollins kids as examples) and utilized them very well on his teams.

The reason I don't care about rankings that much is because it depends on how the kid fits into your system. Anthony Miller, tremendous upside, overlooked in high school, fit into a great system at Memphis and is proving his worth.

I'm not defending Tubby's recruiting. They could all turn out poorly here. But to only hang your hat on recruiting is to re-live the same outcome we had a few years ago. Give it time, let it play out, and then make a decision.

It's couldn't care less.

If you could care less, that you still have room to move on your stance.

(12-07-2017 02:10 PM)jamammy Wrote:  It's couldn't care less.

If you could care less, that you still have room to move on ypour stance.

Good catch. I've gone back and changed it. Thanks.

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

This^^^^^^

(12-07-2017 02:09 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:53 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:42 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:25 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:11 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Pastner sucks. Seven years of smoke and mirrors. Just past one year of Tubby now. Time will tell if he sucks or not. Not that hard of a concept.

And it's not that hard of a concept to see that none of these areas are going well-

recruiting
media relations
fan support
on the court success

I'm seriously asking, what HAS gone well, what on the court improvements have you seen, what is the glimmer of hope that things are going to turn around?

Please don't say these things-
1) they play hard (that is the least you can expect)
2) he's won everywhere (not exactly true)
3) He's not Pastner

Yes, Josh was a mistake, he should have been fired 2 years ago, there was a mess to clean up. The point is other than run off the whole team last year, there isn't a foundation to build on. You don't rebuild with 6 juco's...

It's not that he should have been fired, Josh should have never been hired at Memphis. Too young and no experience running a program. Fired everybody up with recruiting though. So much so, people are still stuck on that.

Tubby has never recruited at a high level. Not gonna do it here, but Since Pastner did, fans are in a tizzy. Every reason experience wise to have hired him though. If it doesn't work out, another guy will get a shot.Tubby was a safe hire that may or may not work out. The rest is conjecture mostly from people that thought, for no good reason, that Pastner was doing a good job here. Just more proof that opinions are just noise. Results matter. One year is not enough time to measure results IMO.

Josh Pastner
Memphis Tigers(Conference USA)(2009-2013)
2009–10 Memphis 24–10 13–3 2nd NIT Second Round
2010–11 Memphis 25–10 10–6 4th NCAA Round of 64
2011–12 Memphis 26–9 13–3 1st NCAA Round of 64
2012–13 Memphis 31–5 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Memphis 24–10 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Round of 32
2014–15 Memphis 18–14 10–8 T–5th
2015–16 Memphis 19–15 8–10 7th

Tubby Smith
2010–11 Minnesota 17–14 6–12 9th
2011–12 Minnesota 23–15 6–12 T–9th NIT Runner-up
2012–13 Minnesota 21–13 8–10 T–7th NCAA Third Round
Minnesota: 124–81 (.605) 46–62 (.426)
Texas Tech Red Raiders (Big 12 Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 Texas Tech 14–18 6–12 9th
2014–15 Texas Tech 13–19 3–15 10th
2015–16 Texas Tech 19–13 9–9 7th NCAA First Round
Texas Tech: 45–50 (.474) 18–36 (.333)
Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2016–present)
2016–17 Memphis 19–13 9–9 T–5th

Quit bringing logic and facts into this. You Miserable.

Never called him a miserable. Stats taken out of context don't tell me anything. Josh took over a program in its peak and drove it into the ground in seven years. Even lost to CBU. Tubby took over three programs in dissaray and got the first two to the tournament. In year two at the third.

I don't care if you or Jammamy or anyone else doesn't like Tubby. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. This specific thread was directed at Tubby supporters. I am one, so I responded.

I.imagine if it keeps going like this, he will be fired. If it gets better he won't. Simple as that for me. Program is bigger than the coach.

I’m not sure many of us were excited when we hired Tubby. He’s had his share of failures along the way. These are all well documented and I agree with most of the criticism.

I still think he can turn it around, just not in the timespan most of us think is reasonable. I was hoping for next year, but I’m starting to doubt it will happen. He could still have a good recruiting class, but that also seems more doubtful every day.

I think most of us would like to go a different direction, but the buyout is huge. Unless the big donors want to pay up, it just isn’t going to happen for awhile. We just don’t have the money. So, with that in mind, I’m just going to hope for the best and support the program. I’ve been to every game except one, and it’s like a morgue in there. Winning will bring people back, but we all know this team doesn’t have the talent to do much. I do appreciate the effort, these guys never quit. I really like these guys but their ceiling is obvious.

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

I agree with what your are writing. We haven't even gotten very far into his 2nd season.

There appears to be too much hysteria and mob mentality here at the moment. I think that Coach Smith deserves time.

(12-07-2017 02:50 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

I agree with what your are writing. We haven't even gotten very far into his 2nd season.

There appears to be too much hysteria and mob mentality here at the moment. I think that Coach Smith deserves time.

I will ask you the same thing I have asked others....

More time to do what exactly?

Rudd has said our expectations are top 10-15.

Is there anything at all you see happening that makes you believe Tubby will ever achieve top 10-15 here?

Next season will be just about the same as this season. Then half the team will leave. Then he has to start back from scratch. Where does this top 10-15 fall in at?

(12-07-2017 03:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:50 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

I agree with what your are writing. We haven't even gotten very far into his 2nd season.

There appears to be too much hysteria and mob mentality here at the moment. I think that Coach Smith deserves time.

I will ask you the same thing I have asked others....

More time to do what exactly?

Rudd has said our expectations are top 10-15.

Is there anything at all you see happening that makes you believe Tubby will ever achieve top 10-15 here?

Next season will be just about the same as this season. Then half the team will leave. Then he has to start back from scratch. Where does this top 10-15 fall in at?

With no drastic changes, we will not make the NCAA's for the foreseeable future - making the NIT is even fuzzy at this point.

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

As another poster stated, are there any left? Is this really a thread to start yet another argument?

(12-07-2017 03:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I will ask you the same thing I have asked others....

More time to do what exactly?

Rudd has said our expectations are top 10-15.

Is there anything at all you see happening that makes you believe Tubby will ever achieve top 10-15 here?

Next season will be just about the same as this season. Then half the team will leave. Then he has to start back from scratch. Where does this top 10-15 fall in at?

More time to rebuild the program... I can see why the future doesn't look positive with our current trend. But you're judging it at year 1.5. All i'm saying is to wait to make that judgement until at least after year two is complete. Lots of things can change (whether you believe that or not).