Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

Here is the official response:

BUT wait, we'll have 10 of the 11 guys returning next year. Add Vanover and a couple more recruits and this team will have tons of experience and another year getting coached up by the ol' Hall of Famer.

I don't think there are any left.

Pastner's fault.

3 game winning streak.....

Coach em up, let me go get talent.

You only have the coaching staff under screen names at this point.

Nah it was Chandler and Jonathan Lawson's fault.

The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Give him a chance.

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Yes, but generally there is some type of recruiting happening during that period so you can actually see a product being built. With no recruiting, we are only going to improve slightly. Slight improvement is nowhere close to what we invest into the basketball program.

BAM?

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

There are only about 12 million reasons.

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Yes, but generally there is some type of recruiting happening during that period so you can actually see a product being built. With no recruiting, we are only going to improve slightly. Slight improvement is nowhere close to what we invest into the basketball program.

Fair, but as a Memphis fan, you (we) have been conditioned to think that recruiting is 90% of the battle, and coaching up is the other 10%... It's obvious that Tubby has a different philosophy. So sit back, support, and if his philosophy is doesn't work (in 2-3 years time) then begin the discussion of a new coach.

We're not used to not having the shiny top-50 kid. I get it. But the coach has a proven track record and I think it's very short sighted of us to jump ship when he hasn't had time to establish his style play and team.

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

(12-07-2017 12:44 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Yes, but generally there is some type of recruiting happening during that period so you can actually see a product being built. With no recruiting, we are only going to improve slightly. Slight improvement is nowhere close to what we invest into the basketball program.

Fair, but as a Memphis fan, you (we) have been conditioned to think that recruiting is 90% of the battle, and coaching up is the other 10%... It's obvious that Tubby has a different philosophy. So sit back, support, and if his philosophy is doesn't work (in 2-3 years time) then begin the discussion of a new coach.

We're not used to not having the shiny top-50 kid. I get it. But the coach has a proven track record and I think it's very short sighted of us to jump ship when he hasn't had time to establish his style play and team.

His style of play makes my eyes bleed. You can't win without talent and talent is something we won't have under his leadership.

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

If someone that is still going to the games to support the team and the University Of Memphis. Then you can put on the Tubby train. I just don't feel that by not going to the games is helping the program. If Tubby is fired it will be because of his record or the boosters want him gone. Not empty seats.

(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Yes, but generally there is some type of recruiting happening during that period so you can actually see a product being built. With no recruiting, we are only going to improve slightly. Slight improvement is nowhere close to what we invest into the basketball program.

How can we even improve slightly when there are no recruits?

(12-07-2017 12:48 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:44 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  Fair, but as a Memphis fan, you (we) have been conditioned to think that recruiting is 90% of the battle, and coaching up is the other 10%... It's obvious that Tubby has a different philosophy. So sit back, support, and if his philosophy is doesn't work (in 2-3 years time) then begin the discussion of a new coach.

We're not used to not having the shiny top-50 kid. I get it. But the coach has a proven track record and I think it's very short sighted of us to jump ship when he hasn't had time to establish his style play and team.

His style of play makes my eyes bleed. You can't win without talent and talent is something we won't have under his leadership.

Again - don't disagree with your assessment. But you haven't given him time to establish himself and prove if he can/can't bring in talent.