(12-03-2017 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Two things need to be done to make the CFP a static long lasting highly popular institution.

1) Expand the field to 8 teams. My preference at this point would be to make all 5 P5 conference champs AQ and the top G5 champ AQ with 2 wild cards selected by a Selection Committee.

2) The Committee needs to be revamped as its the biggest problem with the current system. The Committee needs to be a 10 man body with one representative from each FBS conference. Essentially, the Selection Committee needs to become a one-conference/one-vote council.

Those two moves would restore integrity and common sense to the current championship selection process. Effectively, it would create an avenue of access that eliminates subjective opinion--which is a HUGE problem with the current system. Any system where you can win all your games and not get into the playoff--is a system that is fundamentally flawed from the word go. By doing what I suggest, you create 6 slots of access that are ENTIRELY decided on the field of play. Additionally, in an effort to avoid the loss of the #1 and #2 ranked teams due to an upset along the way--the system still provides an avenue for deserving teams to make the playoff. In essence, its the best of both worlds. You can win your way in completely with on the field play (meaning every team holds its destiny in its own hands) and you still are guaranteed that the #1 and #2 ranked teams always make the playoff (which was how we did it for years under the BCS).

I prefer 6 teams total, with top 2 getting a bye. This uses all the bowls in the current setup every year, and preserves the conference championship week as a de facto quarterfinals.

Now if you go 8 teams, that's fine .. but NO automatic qualifiers.

Why put hand cuffs on the committee with auto bids?

Surely, a power 5 conference champion would be in the top 8. But if they aren't, they don't deserve to get in. Period. Keep that door open for a better team -- either a G5 Conference champ (UCF this year), an independent (Notre Dame or BYU potentially), or another team with a better resume who may have just missed their conference championship game (Bama this year, or Ohio State last year).

I don't understand the whole "Auto Bids" thing for a top 8 tourney.

(12-03-2017 11:31 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Two things need to be done to make the CFP a static long lasting highly popular institution.

1) Expand the field to 8 teams. My preference at this point would be to make all 5 P5 conference champs AQ and the top G5 champ AQ with 2 wild cards selected by a Selection Committee.

2) The Committee needs to be revamped as its the biggest problem with the current system. The Committee needs to be a 10 man body with one representative from each FBS conference. Essentially, the Selection Committee needs to become a one-conference/one-vote council.

Those two moves would restore integrity and common sense to the current championship selection process. Effectively, it would create an avenue of access that eliminates subjective opinion--which is a HUGE problem with the current system. Any system where you can win all your games and not get into the playoff--is a system that is fundamentally flawed from the word go. By doing what I suggest, you create 6 slots of access that are ENTIRELY decided on the field of play. Additionally, in an effort to avoid the loss of the #1 and #2 ranked teams due to an upset along the way--the system still provides an avenue for deserving teams to make the playoff. In essence, its the best of both worlds. You can win your way in completely with on the field play (meaning every team holds its destiny in its own hands) and you still are guaranteed that the #1 and #2 ranked teams always make the playoff (which was how we did it for years under the BCS).

I prefer 6 teams total, with top 2 getting a bye. This uses all the bowls in the current setup every year, and preserves the conference championship week as a de facto quarterfinals.

Now if you go 8 teams, that's fine .. but NO automatic qualifiers.

Why put hand cuffs on the committee with auto bids?

Surely, a power 5 conference champion would be in the top 8. But if they aren't, they don't deserve to get in. Period. Keep that door open for a better team -- either a G5 Conference champ (UCF this year), an independent (Notre Dame or BYU potentially), or another team with a better resume who may have just missed their conference championship game (Bama this year, or Ohio State last year).

I don't understand the whole "Auto Bids" thing for a top 8 tourney.

Because it devalues what actually happens on the field of play and replaces it with the subjective opinions of the committee. I mean--why have a conference championship if it means nothing? Hell, why even play the games? Why not assemble your rosters on Sept 1 and let the committee decide who has the best teams?

The simple answer to your question is I'd actually prefer it if the Committee had no role at all in selecting playoff teams. I would prefer that the action on the field completely determine the playoff field. However, if you're going to have wild cards, thats the only way I can think of doing it. The truth is, like the basketball tournament, Im ok with the Selection Committee making these extra wildcard picks because the 6 champions (who have actually proven thier mettle on the field) are already in the playoff field. The subjective opinions of the committee are not in a position to override events that have already been decided on the field of play. In my system, the Committee is only in a position to add additional teams of merit. They cannnot deny a sitting champion.

What we have now is not a playoff. It is an invitational tourney.

(12-03-2017 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 11:31 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 11:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Two things need to be done to make the CFP a static long lasting highly popular institution.

1) Expand the field to 8 teams. My preference at this point would be to make all 5 P5 conference champs AQ and the top G5 champ AQ with 2 wild cards selected by a Selection Committee.

2) The Committee needs to be revamped as its the biggest problem with the current system. The Committee needs to be a 10 man body with one representative from each FBS conference. Essentially, the Selection Committee needs to become a one-conference/one-vote council.

Those two moves would restore integrity and common sense to the current championship selection process. Effectively, it would create an avenue of access that eliminates subjective opinion--which is a HUGE problem with the current system. Any system where you can win all your games and not get into the playoff--is a system that is fundamentally flawed from the word go. By doing what I suggest, you create 6 slots of access that are ENTIRELY decided on the field of play. Additionally, in an effort to avoid the loss of the #1 and #2 ranked teams due to an upset along the way--the system still provides an avenue for deserving teams to make the playoff. In essence, its the best of both worlds. You can win your way in completely with on the field play (meaning every team holds its destiny in its own hands) and you still are guaranteed that the #1 and #2 ranked teams always make the playoff (which was how we did it for years under the BCS).

I prefer 6 teams total, with top 2 getting a bye. This uses all the bowls in the current setup every year, and preserves the conference championship week as a de facto quarterfinals.

Now if you go 8 teams, that's fine .. but NO automatic qualifiers.

Why put hand cuffs on the committee with auto bids?

Surely, a power 5 conference champion would be in the top 8. But if they aren't, they don't deserve to get in. Period. Keep that door open for a better team -- either a G5 Conference champ (UCF this year), an independent (Notre Dame or BYU potentially), or another team with a better resume who may have just missed their conference championship game (Bama this year, or Ohio State last year).

I don't understand the whole "Auto Bids" thing for a top 8 tourney.

Because it devalues what actually happens on the field of play and replaces it with the subjective opinions of the committee. I mean--why have a conference championship if it means nothing? Hell, why even play the games? Why not assemble your rosters on Sept 1 and let the committee decide who has the best teams?

The simple answer to your question is I'd actually prefer it if the Committee had no role at all in selecting playoff teams. However, if your going to have wild cards, thats the only way I can think of doing it. Im ok with the Selection Committee making these wildcard picks because the 6 of the slots are already filled automatically based on the actual game outcomes on the field.

Right. The point of 8 is to 1) avoid possibly excluding the best team; 2) reduce subjectivity and 3) have what happened on the field matter.

I like 6 teams total, with top 2 getting a bye. This uses all the bowls in the current setup!

(12-03-2017 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Bring back the BCS computers...

That was the only true way. But ESPN didn't like it. So they campaigned against it.

If this was about tv ratings and tv markets? both Oklahoma, Alabama and Clemson would have been replaced with USC, Washington and Ohio State.

(12-03-2017 02:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If this was about tv ratings and tv markets? both Oklahoma, Alabama and Clemson would have been replaced with USC, Washington and Ohio State.

You actually think more people would watch Washington than Alabama?

By winning a CCG for an AQ, an extra incentive is added and a hot team can succeed. What’s wrong with college football is the idea that games in September dictate who the best team in January is. It’s ridiculous! It’s archaic! College basketball has it absolutely correct with conference tournaments (although the Big 10 playing at MSG a week early is still bizarre to me).

(12-03-2017 12:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It should be called the BS fb playoff.

No it should be called the SEC playoff.

The ratings will be excellent south of the Mason-Dixon and Ohio River. But likely lag everywhere else.

Ideally you want a West Coast and a Great Lakes school as well as Southern schools for maximum audience.

That said, you can't force it. Legitimacy demand you pick the top four. So it is what it is.

Let's call it by its real name, The College Football Invitational.

(12-04-2017 08:24 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The ratings will be excellent south of the Mason-Dixon and Ohio River. But likely lag everywhere else.

Ideally you want a West Coast and a Great Lakes school as well as Southern schools for maximum audience.

That said, you can't force it. Legitimacy demand you pick the top four. So it is what it is.

Well if it was a P4 a champs only model would not only deliver the champions of the conferences to the CFP, but would assure that each region was represented.

We won't move in that direction for two reasons. ESPN doesn't want to uphold the conference championship games because they don't earn as much on those as the conferences do who bid them out separately.

And having at least 5 conferences guarantees the networks greater control over who gets in. The lobbying this past weekend by FOX and ESPN were both totally self serving.

And as a clincher the real objection that ESPN would have to a Champs Only format is that they fear like hell itself, the possibility of a Mississippi school winning the SEC, Northwestern winning the Big 10, Washington State nailing down the PAC, and a Cinderella like Pitt or Wake taking the ACC. A Champs Only would be decided on the field totally immune to polls, computers and committees and that simply leaves too much to chance.

Meanwhile Oklahoma likes being the school that wins the Big 12 75% of the time.

So until there is momentum for a P4 and a champs only were stuck with corporate self serving favoritism toward the same old national brands and a committee whose job it is to justify the gymnastics in argumentation to make the selections of those schools seem plausible.

(12-04-2017 08:38 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Let's call it by its real name, The College Football Invitational.

Whatever it is, it certainly isn't a playoff. It isn't quite as dumb as just voting on the top 2 to play each other, but that isn't saying much.