They codified the felony murder rule in the CA statute. Homicide during the commission of a felony can constitute second degree murder if the felony is "inherently dangerous to human life.” That is a very broad standard to apply.

I suppose a felon in possession of a firearm is not inherently dangerous to human life in San Francisco’s...they must pump lead paint chips into the public water system.

(12-01-2017 10:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:03 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  what a ******* **** show, thank you liberals. Her blood is in your hands. Yall killed that woman.

Drama queen.

hey look, a personal attack... how original!

So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

(12-01-2017 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:03 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  what a ******* **** show, thank you liberals. Her blood is in your hands. Yall killed that woman.

Drama queen.

hey look, a personal attack... how original!

So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

so now this thread is about me?

(12-01-2017 10:16 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:07 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Personally I do think that any crime committed by someone here illegally, especially one that had been deported several times, should carry stiffer penalties. For instance in this case a manslaughter conviction would carry the same sentence as a murder charge.

Disagree 200... I mean manslaughter is still manslaughter

Now you can tack on extra penalties for other crimes, such as his being in the country illegal.

But you cannot and should not adjust a crime's level of punishment just because of who caused it.

It's done all the time for someone committing a felony. By picking up the gun this guy committed a felony. He was a convicted felon in prepossession of a firearm.

How is that different than you and I breaking into a home and the homeowner shoots and kills you. Then I get charged with your dead? Or someone getting a DUI and the level of the charge goes up with each one you commit? Or getting another 10 years added to you time for a felony charge and conviction because you have 2 other convictions before this one?

To me it's the same...

That's pretty much what I meant. It's an aggravating circumstance to the crime, so increase the penalty.

(12-01-2017 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:03 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  what a ******* **** show, thank you liberals. Her blood is in your hands. Yall killed that woman.

Drama queen.

hey look, a personal attack... how original!

So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

so now this thread is about me?

Apparently you think so. Snowflake. And I'm sooooo reeling from that -3. Hopefully I can sleep tonight.

(12-01-2017 10:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Drama queen.

hey look, a personal attack... how original!

So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

so now this thread is about me?

Apparently you think so. Snowflake. And I'm sooooo reeling from that -3. Hopefully I can sleep tonight.

I guess since you have nothing better to add to the discussion, you feel the need to personally attack people. Somebody must have pissed in your fruit loops this morning, I bet it was Trump's tweet right?

(12-01-2017 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  hey look, a personal attack... how original!

So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

so now this thread is about me?

Apparently you think so. Snowflake. And I'm sooooo reeling from that -3. Hopefully I can sleep tonight.

I guess since you have nothing better to add to the discussion, you feel the need to personally attack people. Somebody must have pissed in your fruit loops this morning, I bet it was Trump's tweet right?

Dude....it wasn't a personal attack. It's a phrase for someone being overly dramatic. Saying all liberals killed that women is being overly dramatic in my opinion.

(12-01-2017 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:36 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, you're not being overly dramatic? Puhleeze!

so now this thread is about me?

Apparently you think so. Snowflake. And I'm sooooo reeling from that -3. Hopefully I can sleep tonight.

I guess since you have nothing better to add to the discussion, you feel the need to personally attack people. Somebody must have pissed in your fruit loops this morning, I bet it was Trump's tweet right?

Dude....it wasn't a personal attack. It's a phrase for someone being overly dramatic. Saying all liberals killed that women is being overly dramatic in my opinion.

never mind, nobody pissed in your fruit loops, they actually took a giant dump.

DOJ is now looking at opening a federal case against this piece of dung.

Grind him to dust.

(12-01-2017 10:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  DOJ is now looking at opening a federal case against this piece of dung.

Grind him to dust.

Hopefully state and federal gun charges are different it's the only way he will be charged in the federal system. I know Tom thinks it's good enough that he is being deported....

how did that work the other 5 times

Let him spend the next 7 to 10 years in federal prison on the gun charge. Then deport him. If not he will be back in the US with in a month.

Was he high during this incident? What did toxicology show after arrested? Sorry if already posted in thread. I didn’t read it.

(12-01-2017 11:03 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  DOJ is now looking at opening a federal case against this piece of dung.

Grind him to dust.

Hopefully state and federal gun charges are different it's the only way he will be charged in the federal system. I know Tom thinks it's good enough that he is being deported....

how did that work the other 5 times

Let him spend the next 7 to 10 years in federal prison on the gun charge. Then deport him. If not he will be back in the US with in a month.

They are actually looking to charge him with several things including felony re-entry and charges pertaining to a violation of supervised release. Pile it on.

(11-30-2017 09:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How about not being legally allowed to possess a gun?

Yea, here that creates a reputable presumption that one intended to commit a crime.

(12-01-2017 06:12 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  as the father of a daughter, I cannot put in print what I would physically do to that pos if I got my mitts on that sack of shite and his dixie dumpster diving lawyer......

trust me, it would it be at that point the horns would be out in full force in a medieval way.....it would make Law Abiding Citizen look like a G rated movie.....

#simplyfuckingdisgusting

I'd ride shotgun

(11-30-2017 09:08 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  From what I'm to understand, he was playing with the gun, the gun accidentally goes off, the bullet strikes a concrete pier, ricochets off, and kills the young lady. Are those the facts? If so, charging him with murder was a reach beyond belief. He should have been charged with a lesser crime. No jury in their right mind would convict someone on a murder charge based on that evidence. No way in hell would I have found him guilty of murder either. Reckless endangerment causing the death of or something similar.

You do realize the jury acquitted him of 2nd degree murder AND Involuntary Man Slaughter as well? You do realize in many states you can be charged with Involuntary Man Slaughter if you're the at fault driver in a car accident when someone dies. His reckless actions at a minimum are equal to that.

"build the wall" just became an inescapable public safety issue. lax border security allowed the murderer in. sanctuary city laws ultimately killed her. the justice system wasn't even able to punish her murderer, or deter others that will come next.

thanks for the present. the campaign ads are being edited as we speak.

(12-01-2017 07:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:08 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  From what I'm to understand, he was playing with the gun, the gun accidentally goes off, the bullet strikes a concrete pier, ricochets off, and kills the young lady. Are those the facts? If so, charging him with murder was a reach beyond belief. He should have been charged with a lesser crime. No jury in their right mind would convict someone on a murder charge based on that evidence. No way in hell would I have found him guilty of murder either. Reckless endangerment causing the death of or something similar.

You do realize the jury acquitted him of 2nd degree murder AND Involuntary Man Slaughter as well? You do realize in many states you can be charged with Involuntary Man Slaughter if you're the at fault driver in a car accident when someone dies. His reckless actions at a minimum are equal to that.

I can understand reasonable doubt in the murder and overzealous prosecutors (see George Zimmerman), but since he said he shot the gun, how can he not be guilty of involuntary manslaughter????

California can stop bitching about gun control now.

(12-01-2017 07:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  "build the wall" just became an inescapable public safety issue. lax border security allowed the murderer in. sanctuary city laws ultimately killed her. the justice system wasn't even able to punish her murderer, or deter others that will come next.

thanks for the present. the campaign ads are being edited as we speak.

This. Also, this just solidified my vote for Trump in the 2020 Presidential Election, if he chooses to run again. (I wrote in Evan McMullen in 2016.)

(12-02-2017 01:42 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  California can stop bitching about gun control now.

They should, but sadly, they won't.