Whoa! Did someone delete a post? I've not seen any post that has been close to worship of Keatts. All I've read is either bitterness or appreciation.
We knew when he got here, if he was successful, he wouldn't be here long. I know what we endured for 10 years before he got here. Keatts had the right formula to get this program back on track. And he is being rewarded for his success that goes back before he got here. Some look at it as him using us to move up. And that is true. But I also see it as win-win for both sides.
As far as the Louisville mess goes. So far, an extensive investigation has yet to tie his name to it. But apparently some want to play judge and jury with no facts to base it on. And, if he ends up being tied to it, we are not associated with anything. The bitterness should be directed at the ones who tore down this program. In which some people want to lay the blame on an AD who wasn't even here when the dirt went down. But I guess most have no clue who all was involved.

(11-27-2017 10:24 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Whoa! Did someone delete a post? I've not seen any post that has been close to worship of Keatts. All I've read is either bitterness or appreciation.
We knew when he got here, if he was successful, he wouldn't be here long. I know what we endured for 10 years before he got here. Keatts had the right formula to get this program back on track. And he is being rewarded for his success that goes back before he got here. Some look at it as him using us to move up. And that is true. But I also see it as win-win for both sides.
As far as the Louisville mess goes. So far, an extensive investigation has yet to tie his name to it. But apparently some want to play judge and jury with no facts to base it on. And, if he ends up being tied to it, we are not associated with anything. The bitterness should be directed at the ones who tore down this program. In which some people want to lay the blame on an AD who wasn't even here when the dirt went down. But I guess most have no clue who all was involved.

Absolutely 110% on the money 33. Great post!

I haven't deleted a post. I'll check with the other mods, but I doubt they would have and not told me about it.

Okay. Situation has been flushed out. I did not delete a post (I usually don't, for the record unless they're duplicates or something).

FYI ya'll...

Ya gotta hit the "Post Reply" button at the bottom of the screen for your post to show up on the board. Otherwise you're just talking to yourselves.

(11-27-2017 05:31 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  There had to be a reason to jump at $2+ million dollars a year? Come On Man!!!

I don't blame him for taking the money at all, but i honestly think he could have done better than State! That was my point. He leaped at the very first chance he had. If he knew the stuff at Louisville was coming down that would make perfect sense. Fair or not, he's part of the Pitino coaching tree and was there during the time in question. Looking the other way on things sometimes is just as bad as being involved. To think he was there during all that and didn't know anything is naive.

(11-28-2017 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:31 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  There had to be a reason to jump at $2+ million dollars a year? Come On Man!!!

I don't blame him for taking the money at all, but i honestly think he could have done better than State! That was my point. He leaped at the very first chance he had. If he knew the stuff at Louisville was coming down that would make perfect sense. Fair or not, he's part of the Pitino coaching tree and was there during the time in question. Looking the other way on things sometimes is just as bad as being involved. To think he was there during all that and didn't know anything is naive.

For a while we didn't discuss this because he was our active coach. Now, he's moved on. Obviously those questions are still looming over, and while we didn't want to diss our own program as a result, we all still wondered. At one point we had a JMU poster (I'm pretty sure it was a JMU'er) that came over and tried to slime our program (because of the Keatts connection and the poster's perceived suspicions of how we came across Flemmings) after the first big Louisville scandal involving prostitutes for recruits/players. We shut that down pretty quick.

For the record, I don't think our program has ever been dirty or close to it. However, I don't necessarily disagree with the folks that think Keatts might have known more about some of those things (particularly the Adidas scandal) at Louisville.

This is going to be a touchy subject, so if you're going to post about it just please keep in mind other people's opinions and do so with civility. Not that we don't usually, but just a reminder as we have some new posters recently.

Cheers and go Seahawks!

(11-28-2017 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:31 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  There had to be a reason to jump at $2+ million dollars a year? Come On Man!!!

I don't blame him for taking the money at all, but i honestly think he could have done better than State! That was my point. He leaped at the very first chance he had. If he knew the stuff at Louisville was coming down that would make perfect sense. Fair or not, he's part of the Pitino coaching tree and was there during the time in question. Looking the other way on things sometimes is just as bad as being involved. To think he was there during all that and didn't know anything is naive.

What program's (better than state) do you thimkncoach Keatts eould have been offered had he not gone to Raleigh? The only one even remotely possible in my opinionwould have been Indoana and I really dont think he was their guy.I could be wrong and there may be others, but nothing really jumping out at me right now

(11-28-2017 09:42 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:31 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  There had to be a reason to jump at $2+ million dollars a year? Come On Man!!!

I don't blame him for taking the money at all, but i honestly think he could have done better than State! That was my point. He leaped at the very first chance he had. If he knew the stuff at Louisville was coming down that would make perfect sense. Fair or not, he's part of the Pitino coaching tree and was there during the time in question. Looking the other way on things sometimes is just as bad as being involved. To think he was there during all that and didn't know anything is naive.

What program's (better than state) do you thimkncoach Keatts eould have been offered had he not gone to Raleigh? The only one even remotely possible in my opinionwould have been Indoana and I really dont think he was their guy.I could be wrong and there may be others, but nothing really jumping out at me right now

Doesn't necessarily have to be last year. One more year here and another conference Ship, he would have been writing his own ticket.
Just last year though, Indiana, G Town, Washington(debatable), Ohio State, all better options than State

Cal, Illinois and Butler could be debated as well......

(11-28-2017 09:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 09:42 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:31 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  There had to be a reason to jump at $2+ million dollars a year? Come On Man!!!

I don't blame him for taking the money at all, but i honestly think he could have done better than State! That was my point. He leaped at the very first chance he had. If he knew the stuff at Louisville was coming down that would make perfect sense. Fair or not, he's part of the Pitino coaching tree and was there during the time in question. Looking the other way on things sometimes is just as bad as being involved. To think he was there during all that and didn't know anything is naive.

What program's (better than state) do you thimkncoach Keatts eould have been offered had he not gone to Raleigh? The only one even remotely possible in my opinionwould have been Indoana and I really dont think he was their guy.I could be wrong and there may be others, but nothing really jumping out at me right now

Doesn't necessarily have to be last year. One more year here and another conference Ship, he would have been writing his own ticket.
Just last year though, Indiana, G Town, Washington(debatable), Ohio State, all better options than State

As much as I dislike NC State, there's no way that Gtown, Washington, or even Ohio State in the Big10 are better coaching gigs than a "Tobacco Road" ACC program with decent history.

No. No. No.

(11-28-2017 09:59 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Cal, Illinois and Butler could be debated as well......

Again. No.

I can't stand NC State, but none of those are better gigs.

(11-28-2017 10:03 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 09:59 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Cal, Illinois and Butler could be debated as well......

Again. No.

I can't stand NC State, but none of those are better gigs.

Butler has been WAYYYYYYYYY more relevant than State the last 30 years. That's not even debatable.

Ohio State has been perennial top 20 team over the last 20 years. Not even a debate. G'town, same thing. Both those schools you could legitimately run the conference and NOT be in the shadows of Duke and UNC.

Some of the ones i put on there are debatable, these, are not. 30 years ago Doesn't = success today. Not to mention oneof the most unreasonable fan base's in the country. Anything less than beating Duke and UNC won't be accepted. See Herb. Hell one of their fans immediate purchased the firecoachkeatts.com domain after he got hired. SMH

(11-28-2017 10:15 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Ohio State has been perennial top 20 team over the last 20 years. Not even a debate. G'town, same thing. Both those schools you could legitimately run the conference and NOT be in the shadows of Duke and UNC.

Some of the ones i put on there are debatable, these, are not. 30 years ago Doesn't = success today. Not to mention oneof the most unreasonable fan base's in the country. Anything less than beating Duke and UNC won't be accepted. See Herb. Hell one of their fans immediate purchased the firecoachkeatts.com domain after he got hired. SMH

They're still debatable because look at the quality of their conferences. The fact that NC State is a Tobacco Road school in the ACC, plays both Duke and UNC (And other ACC talent) twice a year, with the OPPORTUNITY to become relevant again in the best basketball conference in the country alone makes NC State a better option for Keatts and his style of play than those other schools. The ceiling is much greater. Has it been that way recently, no... that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that the ceiling limit in terms of success is greater for him at NC State than those other schools. If he's successful at State, it will have a far better impact on Keatts legacy in the game than it would at those other schools. Hands down.

The ONLY team I have seen listed as a "better program" that holds any merit in my opinion is Ohio State. That being said, the Ohio State job did was not vacated until early June...a full THREE months after Coach Keatts signed at NC State. That was not even an option in my eyes. Yes Butler has had its share of good seasons, but its just not the same as the ACC sorry. In addition, those two programs are in the midwest...It seems Coach Keatts wasn't interested in making that move at this time....It would in my opinion taken away some of his east coast recruiting ties, Sometimes its hard to sell an east coast kid on moving halfway across the country to play ball. That brings me to Georgetown, which is an interesting point. In doing research, the Hoyas have averaged 20.5 wins over the last 20 years with 9 NCAA berths. In comparison, NC State has averaged 19.1 wins with 9 NCAA berths over the same time period. Given the perennial strength of the ACC, I'd say thats fairly even. To summarize, I will say that Georgetown may have been the ONLY other landing spot for Coach Keatts that I would deem as equal possibility at the time. Having said that it may have just not been the right fit for him for whatever reason. NC State WANTED coach Keatts, and he WANTED to be there.....Theres a lot to be said in that statement if you ask me.

(11-28-2017 10:46 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 10:15 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Ohio State has been perennial top 20 team over the last 20 years. Not even a debate. G'town, same thing. Both those schools you could legitimately run the conference and NOT be in the shadows of Duke and UNC.

Some of the ones i put on there are debatable, these, are not. 30 years ago Doesn't = success today. Not to mention oneof the most unreasonable fan base's in the country. Anything less than beating Duke and UNC won't be accepted. See Herb. Hell one of their fans immediate purchased the firecoachkeatts.com domain after he got hired. SMH

They're still debatable because look at the quality of their conferences. The fact that NC State is a Tobacco Road school in the ACC, plays both Duke and UNC (And other ACC talent) twice a year, with the OPPORTUNITY to become relevant again in the best basketball conference in the country alone makes NC State a better option for Keatts and his style of play than those other schools. The ceiling is much greater. Has it been that way recently, no... that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that the ceiling limit in terms of success is greater for him at NC State than those other schools. If he's successful at State, it will have a far better impact on Keatts legacy in the game than it would at those other schools. Hands down.

IMO the ceiling is LESS, because you are always in the Shadow of Duke and UNC. Running the other conferences IMO is a higher ceiling than being at BEST 3rd in the ACC(very much a stretch) When Roy and K retire, it could be higher but until then it is what it is.

(11-28-2017 08:33 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Okay. Situation has been flushed out. I did not delete a post (I usually don't, for the record unless they're duplicates or something).

FYI ya'll...

Ya gotta hit the "Post Reply" button at the bottom of the screen for your post to show up on the board. Otherwise you're just talking to yourselves.

Sorry CB. I was being cynical about the worshipping Keatts statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

(11-28-2017 10:47 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  The ONLY team I have seen listed as a "better program" that holds any merit in my opinion is Ohio State. That being said, the Ohio State job did was not vacated until early June...a full THREE months after Coach Keatts signed at NC State. That was not even an option in my eyes. Yes Butler has had its share of good seasons, but its just not the same as the ACC sorry. In addition, those two programs are in the midwest...It seems Coach Keatts wasn't interested in making that move at this time....It would in my opinion taken away some of his east coast recruiting ties, Sometimes its hard to sell an east coast kid on moving halfway across the country to play ball. That brings me to Georgetown, which is an interesting point. In doing research, the Hoyas have averaged 20.5 wins over the last 20 years with 9 NCAA berths. In comparison, NC State has averaged 19.1 wins with 9 NCAA berths over the same time period. Given the perennial strength of the ACC, I'd say thats fairly even. To summarize, I will say that Georgetown may have been the ONLY other landing spot for Coach Keatts that I would deem as equal possibility at the time. Having said that it may have just not been the right fit for him for whatever reason. NC State WANTED coach Keatts, and he WANTED to be there.....Theres a lot to be said in that statement if you ask me.

Realize if you are taking the last 20, for much of that it was the old big east. Which was 1,2 every year in strength with the ACC. So the conference adjustment, may not be applicable. Last few years, no doubt.

last 20 for G town 3 Sweet 16's, 1 Elite 8, 1 final 4.
Same time frame State 3 Sweet 16's.
and Last 20 years Gtown has been to Tourney 11 times Not 9.

IF you count 1997, then Georgetown has made the dance 10 times, NOT 11...If you don't count 1997 then its 9 times, same as NC State. As stated earlier, Georgetown is the ONLY program I can see as a potential equal. Sometimes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I cant blame a fella for quadrupling his salary. The money at Georgetown appears to be even stronger than that of NC State, but it would have been a gamble to wait and see, ESPECIALLY given that the Hoyas ultimately decided to keep it in the family with the Ewing hire.