All I know is UTk did us all a big favor by clown shoeing the Schiano thing.

I doubt any of our top candidates (Frost, Norvell, etc) take the UTk job now with that level of epic fail being the issue. They'll be begging to take Lane back tomorrow.

Houston fans, I actually don't think Applewhite is that bad, but since you guys do, here is your chance.

Kidnap him, ship him to Knoxville, and announce that you're sad to see him go.

Do it.

(11-27-2017 01:04 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  All I know is UTk did us all a big favor by clown shoeing the Schiano thing.

I doubt any of our top candidates (Frost, Norvell, etc) take the UTk job now with that level of epic fail being the issue. They'll be begging to take Lane back tomorrow.

Houston fans, I actually don't think Applewhite is that bad, but since you guys do, here is your chance.

Kidnap him, ship him to Knoxville, and announce that you're sad to see him go.

Do it.

This... this is genius... (grabs handcuffs and black bag)


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I expect Applewhite retains his job, making 2018 a do or die season for him. Some day one of these highly sought after coaches is gonna say "**** it" and stay, especially likely if the University is able and willing to pay the coach big money, comparable to $4.5 million per year (2017 dollars) as was the case with Herman at Houston. The University that lands the winning coach that stays despite blue blood offers will dominate.

Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Trade you Ollie for Applewhite.

rice just fired his coach, rumor is rice will target UCF's OC....if frost leaves is he an option for ucf?

Joey Knight
@TBTimes_Bulls
On @American_FB teleconference, Frost is asked if he'll be #UCF coach in '18: "I'm just not gonna talk about it. All I wanna talk about is this football team."
11:38 AM - Nov 27, 2017 ·

https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Bulls/status...1657573376

(11-27-2017 12:14 PM)dogma Wrote:  Joey Knight
@TBTimes_Bulls
On @American_FB teleconference, Frost is asked if he'll be #UCF coach in '18: "I'm just not gonna talk about it. All I wanna talk about is this football team."
11:38 AM - Nov 27, 2017 ·

https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Bulls/status...1657573376

"I'm definitely not going to talk about that while we've got a game to focus on."
-Brian Kelly, December 2009, three days before UC-Pitt, and one week before leaving for Notre Dame.

Sorry guys...

https://twitter.com/mbpRivals/status/935198486852784128

Quote:BREAKING: FSU sources tell me that Jimbo Fisher is now expected by people in Tallahassee to take Texas A&M’s head coaching job.

USFFan

Wow. I can't believe he is making that move unless he has just missed on too many recruits.

UCF Rivals Premium board has a Frost update:
Any UCF fans with dungeon access want to leak?

https://ucf.forums.rivals.com/threads/sc...ing.56662/

(11-27-2017 08:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Ehhh. He isnt horrible. The jury is still out--he might end up being really good. That said, more likely---what you see is what you get--he probably is just average. Like Levine, nobody is chasing him. Hell, when Levine was fired after winning 8 games two seasons in a row--not one FBS school offered him a HC job. Nobody wants average. You cant sell it-especially at the G5 level.

Something Herman said when he got here sticks with me, mainly because its what Ive always thought. Paraphrasing--he said that because there is so much talent in the Houston area, any coach should be able to bumble into 6-7 wins in Houston just on talent level. When we were in the SWC, that wasnt probably true--but in a non-power league--it probably is. So, Im not really all that impressed with a 7 win season.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/m...9588582127

This is genius - Sing us a Song, You're the Schiano Man



USFFan

(11-27-2017 12:58 PM)mlb Wrote:  Wow. I can't believe he is making that move unless he has just missed on too many recruits.

Either that or some major scandal is about to come to light at FSU

(11-27-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Ehhh. He isnt horrible. The jury is still out--he might end up being really good. That said, more likely---what you see is what you get--he probably is just average. Like Levine, nobody is chasing him. Hell, when Levine was fired after winning 8 games two seasons in a row--not one FBS school offered him a HC job. Nobody wants average. You cant sell it-especially at the G5 level.

Something Herman said when he got here sticks with me, mainly because its what Ive always thought. Paraphrasing--he said that because there is so much talent in the Houston area, any coach should be able to bumble into 6-7 wins in Houston just on talent level. When we were in the SWC, that wasnt probably true--but in a non-power league--it probably is. So, Im not really all that impressed with a 7 win season.

Well, I'm assuming with the game you lost to the hurricane, it would have been 8 wins. Still not good enough?

(11-27-2017 01:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Ehhh. He isnt horrible. The jury is still out--he might end up being really good. That said, more likely---what you see is what you get--he probably is just average. Like Levine, nobody is chasing him. Hell, when Levine was fired after winning 8 games two seasons in a row--not one FBS school offered him a HC job. Nobody wants average. You cant sell it-especially at the G5 level.

Something Herman said when he got here sticks with me, mainly because its what Ive always thought. Paraphrasing--he said that because there is so much talent in the Houston area, any coach should be able to bumble into 6-7 wins in Houston just on talent level. When we were in the SWC, that wasnt probably true--but in a non-power league--it probably is. So, Im not really all that impressed with a 7 win season.

Well, I'm assuming with the game you lost to the hurricane, it would have been 8 wins. Still not good enough?

I think context is important. If we had lost to USF, Memphis, Navy and maybe Arizona (all teams who finished with winning records) I don't think you'd hear as much complaining.

The fact is we lost to Tulsa who won ONE conference game. Tulane finished with a losing record. Tech didn't finish with a winning record. These are games we should not lose if we consider ourselves one of the top 3 programs in this league.

A lot changes really fast. Remember in 2013 UCF was the next Boise. 2 seasons later 0-12. Coaching matters. In 2015 we had that simliar feel and now we are losing to bottom feeders.

(11-27-2017 01:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Ehhh. He isnt horrible. The jury is still out--he might end up being really good. That said, more likely---what you see is what you get--he probably is just average. Like Levine, nobody is chasing him. Hell, when Levine was fired after winning 8 games two seasons in a row--not one FBS school offered him a HC job. Nobody wants average. You cant sell it-especially at the G5 level.

Something Herman said when he got here sticks with me, mainly because its what Ive always thought. Paraphrasing--he said that because there is so much talent in the Houston area, any coach should be able to bumble into 6-7 wins in Houston just on talent level. When we were in the SWC, that wasnt probably true--but in a non-power league--it probably is. So, Im not really all that impressed with a 7 win season.

Well, I'm assuming with the game you lost to the hurricane, it would have been 8 wins. Still not good enough?

Kyle Allen would have started that game. Not sure we would have won to be honest. That said, very few UH fans are advocating firing a first year HC for a 7 win season (could still be 8 wins with a bowl victory). A few hard core people have made up thier mind on Applewhite. Most are disappointed, but willing to withhold judgement for at least another year.

While I suspect he will turn out to be very pedestrian as a coach---I do think he deserves at least another year (maybe two) in order to find out if he can grow into the job.

(11-27-2017 01:16 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 12:58 PM)mlb Wrote:  Wow. I can't believe he is making that move unless he has just missed on too many recruits.

Either that or some major scandal is about to come to light at FSU

Or he didn't like fans chanting for his head this season despite playing in 5 straight NY6 bowls and winning a National Title 3 years ago.

(11-27-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Applewhite was 7-4 in his first season, and you guys want to fire him. So Fertitta wants a long-term commitment from a coach before he will pay for UH to hire him, but if you lose 4 games, you're fired. Yeah, that will attract a lot of great coaches.

Ehhh. He isnt horrible. The jury is still out--he might end up being really good. That said, more likely---what you see is what you get--he probably is just average. Like Levine, nobody is chasing him. Hell, when Levine was fired after winning 8 games two seasons in a row--not one FBS school offered him a HC job. Nobody wants average. You cant sell it-especially at the G5 level.

Something Herman said when he got here sticks with me, mainly because its what Ive always thought. Paraphrasing--he said that because there is so much talent in the Houston area, any coach should be able to bumble into 6-7 wins in Houston just on talent level. When we were in the SWC, that wasnt probably true--but in a non-power league--it probably is. So, Im not really all that impressed with a 7 win season.

Well, I'm assuming with the game you lost to the hurricane, it would have been 8 wins. Still not good enough?

Kyle Allen would have started that game. Not sure we would have won to be honest. That said, very few UH fans are advocating firing a first year HC for a 7 win season (could still be 8 wins with a bowl victory). A few hard core people have made up thier mind on Applewhite. Most are disappointed, but willing to withhold judgement for at least another year.

While I suspect he will turn out to be very pedestrian as a coach---I do think he deserves at least another year (maybe two) in order to find out if he can grow into the job.

Applewhite made some rookie mistakes, there is no doubt. However, I think the issues that we saw in the Tulsa and Tulane games are solvable by bringing in a Co-OC to take over play-calling from Johnson, the QBs/OC. Those two games in particular and the Tech game were simply poor coaching and play-calling more than anything.

We were so predictable on offense. He is just not good at calling plays. I was calling the next play from the stands as the offense lined up - me, an investment advisor who never played football at a high-level. That's not good. A better play-caller, and I have to believe we would have been bowling for a 10-win season.

We just have to see if Major is willing to make the adjustment. Johnson has been a OC two times before, and each time, he was demoted to position coach (QBs) or Co-OC with limited play-calling duty. Unfortunately, this year we were able to see why.

Applewhite hired Johnson. If Johnson was demoted twice from calling plays then why the hell did he get this job?

2 of most important factors in head coach success

1. Only as good as your QB
2. Only as good as your assistant coaches

2008-2011 Sumlin hired the right OC's and had Keenum at QB that carried us.
2012-2014 Levine failed by hiring a dissaster at OC to go along with another dissaster at QB. But Levine hired a good DC in Gibbs that laid foundation for future defenses with Jack Boyz!
2015-2016 Herman hit the jackpot on his hires, especially Orlando who took what Gibbs built and made it better. Herman benefited greatly from having Greg Ward Jr. and he made Applewhite look good.
2017- Applewhite hired a just ok DC and a horrible OC, and our feature QB in Allen was a flop.