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TSSAA rules Wiseman and Boyce ineligible to play for East
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Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

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(11-20-2017 12:28 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

is it illegal or something? we had donors paying tuition back in the late 80's and tssaa had no issue with it then.
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(11-20-2017 12:34 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:28 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

is it illegal or something? we had donors paying tuition back in the late 80's and tssaa had no issue with it then.

It's not to give financial assistance but it is to recruit a student athlete based upon financial aid.

It's a sticky wicket in any event ...........

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2017-18 TSSAA Handbook
Page 17 November 17, 2017

Tuition and Financial Aid


Section 16. If tuition is charged, it must be paid by parent, bona fide guardian or other family member. If a parent, guardian or other family member secures a loan for payment of tuition, it must remain an obligation of the parents, guardian or other family member to repay the principle and interest in full with no exceptions. Any loan program, grant program, educational foundation or similar program that is established and/or administered, in whole or in part, by a school or official of a school is considered financial aid. Financial aid will be allowed under the following
conditions:

1. Children of full-time faculty members may be given financial aid, but such students, if transfers, shall be ineligible for 12 months in any sport in which they have an athletic record for the previous or current year.

2. Financial aid may be awarded on the basis of need, but proof of such need must be filed in the TSSAA office on forms approved by the Executive Director. In order to determine the basis for need, all schools
awarding financial aid shall use one of the following services: FACTS Grant and Aid Assessment (FACTS), Financial Aid for School Tuition (FAST), School and Student Scholastic Service for Financial Aid (SSS), Family Financial Needs Assessment (FFNA), Private School Aid Services, Smart Tuition Aid, or Tuition Aid Data Services (TADS). Schools must choose one of the companies for all student-athletes.

A committee consisting of School Heads from Division II schools and one ex-officio, non-voting member from the Board of Control and Legislative Council will meet and make recommendations to the Board of Control on each student submitted. In addition, this committee will collect information from schools regarding financial aid statistics, grant procedures, and the overall financial aid program within the school.

The Board of Control will then rule on all cases at the August meeting.

The Board of Control shall have authority to reject the basis of need for students when in its opinion, or in the opinion of the school committee, the amount of need stated by the financial service cannot be justified.

Schools shall remove any student from athletic eligibility whose accounts with the school are 60 days overdue.

All records pertaining to financial aid or tuition assistance shall be open to TSSAA upon its request. Each school shall be responsible for securing necessary authorization to allow TSSAA to review or audit such records.
Please see FAQ’s on Page 47-65.

Recruiting Rule

Section 17. Athletic recruiting is prohibited. Athletic recruiting is the use of influence on a student or the parents or guardians of a student, by any person(s) directly or indirectly associated with the school, to secure or retain a student for athletic purposes. In the event that there is a violation of this rule, there shall be a penalty against the school, and the student(s) who was the subject of the violation shall be ineligible for a minimum of one year.

The penalty and any additional period of ineligibility beyond the one-year minimum will be determined by the Executive Director based on a consideration of the number of violations involved, the number of student-athletes involved, the nature of the violation(s), the individual(s) responsible for the violation(s), and the extent to which the violation may have been knowing, deliberate, or in reckless disregard of the provisions of this rule and the commentary that accompanies this rule.

Guidelines for Understanding the Recruiting Rule

1. Athletes or prospective athletes should be treated no differently than students who are not athletes.

Students should be seen as students and not singled out based on their potential athletic ability.

2. To avoid the appearance of impropriety, a coach who is contacted by any student or family or individual about attending a school where he or she is the coach should inform that person that he or she needs to contact the administrative official or officials of the school who normally deal with the admission process.

3. To avoid the appearance of impropriety, any meeting with coaches regarding athletes or prospective athletes should be a part of the admissions process at the school and should take place at the school.

Q. How is influence for athletic purposes interpreted in the recruiting rule?

A. Examples of influence for athletic purposes may include, but are not limited to:

1. Offers of or acceptance of any special privileges not afforded to other students, whether athletes or not.

2017-18 TSSAA Handbook
Page 18 November 17, 2017


2. Offers of financial aid based on need to any prospective student-athlete by any member of the coaching staff. All financial aid questions should be referred to the principal or person in charge of financial aid.

3. Inducing or attempting to induce or encourage any prospective student-athlete to attend any member school for the purpose of participating in athletics even when the special remuneration or inducement is not given.

4. Any initial contact or prearranged contact by a member of a coaching staff or representative of the school and a prospective student-athlete in the seventh grade and above.

5. Offering or acceptance of any item with school advertisement (shirt, caps, jackets, etc.) to a prospective student; provided that this example does not apply to items of only nominal value (pencils, etc.) that a school gives to all families that participate in the school’s admission process.

6. Admitting students to athletic contests free of charge based on their participation in athletics with nonschool teams.

7. Recognizing students at athletic contests based on their participation in athletics with non-school teams.

8. Coaches or their representatives sending questionnaires, cards or letters, contacting, or visiting prospective student-athletes and/or their families at their homes. For purposes of the example, the terms “coach” assumes that the individual initiating the contact is acting in his or her capacity as a coach. If that person serves another role at the school and is not acting in his or her capacity as coach, then there may be no violation, unless the contact is really a method for what is in face the use of influence for athletic purposes.

9. Coaches or their representatives providing refreshments, gifts, and/or asking prospective student-athletes or family members for contact information.

Q. What is allowed or permitted by member schools in contacting prospective students?

A. The Recruiting Rule is not intended to prevent a member school from marketing its total school program or conducting programs designed to attract students based on the school’s overall educational and extracurricular programs. However, such programs must not be used as a method for securing students for athletic purposes.

Examples of programs or things that would be permissible include, but are not limited to:

1. With the permission of the administration of both schools, a school may present programs or give information to elementary, junior high, or middle schools, which explain their total educational program.

There should be a diversity of presenters, speaking on a variety of topics to students of all interests.

2. Once a student has pre-enrolled at a school in the spring or summer, taken necessary steps, been accepted or approved, paid a deposit (if required), and signed a contract indication they will attend, the school may contact the student or family concerning summer programs, camps, physicals, etc., provided the student has:

a. Completed his/her classes and exams at his/her previous school;
b. Signed the independent school’s enrollment contract; and
c. Paid the deposit required by the independent school.

3. Mass marketing of a school directed to a general population of students.

4. Mass media advertising.

5. Responding to inquiries from parents of prospective students about various aspects of the school’s program.

Q. Are there activities that might appear inconsistent with the Recruiting Rule and the Guidelines but have been historically engaged in by many member schools and are permitted under the current Recruiting Rule and
Guidelines?

A. Yes. Over the course of many years, there are a number of activities that many schools have customarily engaged in and that have not been regarded as violations of the Recruiting Rule. So long as the activity does not single out particular student-athletes, and so long as the activity is not being used to circumvent the Recruiting Rule, the following such activities are permissible regardless of any apparent inconsistency with the Recruiting.

2017-18 TSSAA Handbook
Page 19 November 17, 2017



Rule or the Guidelines:

1. With the permission of the administration of both schools, a coach may present programs or give information to elementary, junior high, or middle schools, which explain their total program. All information concerning a particular sport program must be given out at one or both of the schools. Any program must be presented at one or both schools. Those students in attendance or who receive information must be determined by the administration of both schools.

2. Students on school teams and/or all students in a school or particular grade may be admitted to athletic contests free of charge provided it has been approved by the administration of both schools.

3. Students on school teams and/or all students in a school or particular grade may be recognized for their accomplishments at athletic contests provided it has been approved by the administration of those
schools.

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Next thing you know juvenile delinquents like Allen Iverson will get into top 20 Universities like Georgetown.
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If I were East I’d pursue legal action. My call would be to Leslie Ballin.
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Maybe Donald Chump can grant them a reprieve.
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(11-20-2017 04:38 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Maybe Donald Chump can grant them a reprieve.

Oh look, we have us a bitter Queen of corruption supporter ^
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(11-20-2017 05:00 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 04:38 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Maybe Donald Chump can grant them a reprieve.

Oh look, we have us a bitter Queen of corruption supporter ^

Killary?

Shirley you jest.
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(11-20-2017 05:06 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Shirley you jest.

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(11-20-2017 05:06 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Shirley you jest.

Usage of posters real names is not allowed.

Do you wear the mask all the time, like our former trainer (Joshie’s brother in law)? Or just in public at Tiger sporting events?
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(11-20-2017 12:34 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:28 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

is it illegal or something? we had donors paying tuition back in the late 80's and tssaa had no issue with it then.

Ensworth plays in D-2. Financial Aid Division. It’s completely legal. Corn Elder grew up in Rutherford County. Orleans Darkwa was from Nashville Metro.

Ask around about Lausanne.
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(11-20-2017 08:00 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:34 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:28 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

is it illegal or something? we had donors paying tuition back in the late 80's and tssaa had no issue with it then.

Ensworth plays in D-2. Financial Aid Division. It’s completely legal. Corn Elder grew up in Rutherford County. Orleans Darkwa was from Nashville Metro.

Ask around about Lausanne.

Yep, I work with a guy who coaches football at Lausanne.
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Quote:Both played for Team Penny last summer. Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, a former star at Memphis State and the NBA, is the coach at East. The TSSAA contends there is a coaching link between Team Penny and Hardaway as the East coach and such a connection would prohibit the players from playing at East under the association's rules.

Attorneys for SCS dispute the relationship between Team Penny, an AAU team, and Hardaway constitutes the coaching link.

"Presumably, the TSSAA is of the belief that Mr. Hardaway allegedly is a coach or a sponsor of Team Penny," the system said in its lawsuit, adding: "Mr. Hardaway is not, in fact, a coach or a sponsor for Team Penny. The coach of Team Penny is Todd Day. The sponsor of Team Penny is Nike, Inc."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/ne...889424001/
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(11-22-2017 07:06 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
Quote:Both played for Team Penny last summer. Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, a former star at Memphis State and the NBA, is the coach at East. The TSSAA contends there is a coaching link between Team Penny and Hardaway as the East coach and such a connection would prohibit the players from playing at East under the association's rules.

Attorneys for SCS dispute the relationship between Team Penny, an AAU team, and Hardaway constitutes the coaching link.

"Presumably, the TSSAA is of the belief that Mr. Hardaway allegedly is a coach or a sponsor of Team Penny," the system said in its lawsuit, adding: "Mr. Hardaway is not, in fact, a coach or a sponsor for Team Penny. The coach of Team Penny is Todd Day. The sponsor of Team Penny is Nike, Inc."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/ne...889424001/

And if the TSSAA now attempts to construe "sponsor" as Hardaway lending his name to the team, I believe Nike actually owns the names "Team Penny" & "Penny" related to Penny's promotional contract for Nike. So that should not work either. Seems to me this just boils down to certain parties jealousy of Hardaway's stature within the basketball community & his ability through his influence to recruit top players. Glad to see this get turned around toward a proper outcome.
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(11-20-2017 08:00 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:34 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 12:28 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Do we had any real Journalists in Tennessee anymore?

If the Commercial Appeal or the TSSAA were doing their jobs I think they'd do a little digging & find out who was actually paying Wiseman's Ensworth tuition.

All I can find out is that Nashville Ensworth tuition in the year 2013 was over $25,000 per year.

So logically it's gone up in the last 4 School years.

is it illegal or something? we had donors paying tuition back in the late 80's and tssaa had no issue with it then.

Ensworth plays in D-2. Financial Aid Division. It’s completely legal. Corn Elder grew up in Rutherford County. Orleans Darkwa was from Nashville Metro.

Ask around about Lausanne.

Are the kids actually enrolled in classes at Lausanne ?

Or Are they enrolled at Charter Schools that have no organized sports teams.

Which makes them eligible to play at schools like Lausanne with the approval of the Athletic Director?

I actually don’t have a problem with under privileged kids getting financial aid if they need it.


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All SCS has done is poke a bear.
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(11-22-2017 07:06 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
Quote:Both played for Team Penny last summer. Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, a former star at Memphis State and the NBA, is the coach at East. The TSSAA contends there is a coaching link between Team Penny and Hardaway as the East coach and such a connection would prohibit the players from playing at East under the association's rules.

Attorneys for SCS dispute the relationship between Team Penny, an AAU team, and Hardaway constitutes the coaching link.

"Presumably, the TSSAA is of the belief that Mr. Hardaway allegedly is a coach or a sponsor of Team Penny," the system said in its lawsuit, adding: "Mr. Hardaway is not, in fact, a coach or a sponsor for Team Penny. The coach of Team Penny is Todd Day. The sponsor of Team Penny is Nike, Inc."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/ne...889424001/

Hard pill for TG4 to swallow.
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The TSSAA should have open hearings. Doing all this behind closed door and with no real explanation is not fair.
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