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ODU has 4 players averaging double figures in scoring and that doesnt include Brandan Stith. We have 6 players that are capable of leading us in scoring any given game.

Ahmad Caver 13.8 ppg
Trey Porter 11.8 ppg
BJ Stith 11.8 ppg
Randy Haynes 10.8 ppg
Brandan Stith 7.4 ppg
Xavier Green 5.4 ppg

This will be huge because we dont need to rely on 1 or 2 guys to score every night. If we can share the wealth and a couple guys can pick up some slack if one of the better players is not having a good day I think we have the chance to be a good team if you pair that with our defense. Haven't been this excited for basketball in several years.

(11-20-2017 09:00 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  ODU has 4 players averaging double figures in scoring and that doesnt include Brandan Stith. We have 6 players that are capable of leading us in scoring any given game.

Ahmad Caver 13.8 ppg
Trey Porter 11.8 ppg
BJ Stith 11.8 ppg
Randy Haynes 10.8 ppg
Brandan Stith 7.4 ppg
Xavier Green 5.4 ppg

This will be huge because we dont need to rely on 1 or 2 guys to score every night. If we can share the wealth and a couple guys can pick up some slack if one of the better players is not having a good day I think we have the chance to be a good team if you pair that with our defense. Haven't been this excited for basketball in several years.

That is a big plus but it seems like Porter has been the only consistent one. Caver seems to be settling in though. Hopefully BJ also. The rest have been streaky. I wish Green would pick up his FT shooting. He was making them the first couple of games.

If you look at the FT shooting the numbers are not terrible but they are missing them at critical times. Like the front end of 1 and 1s and when they have a chance to really separate. Hopefully that gets better

(11-20-2017 10:15 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If you look at the FT shooting the numbers are not terrible but they are missing them at critical times. Like the front end of 1 and 1s and when they have a chance to really separate. Hopefully that gets better

I think it really depends on who is shooting them. I mean some of our guys just can't shoot, so expecting them to turn into stellar shooters when they get to the free throw line is pretty unreasonable.

Caver is the biggest concern for me. For some reason he just can't shoot them for about the first half of the season every year, then it seems like he turns into an 80% shooter. X will probably be okay once he get comfortable too. BJ is s decent FT shooter, but will have off games, Haynes will probably be 65%-70%, and the front court guys are just bad free throw shooters. It is all going to come down to making sure the right guys have the ball in their hands late in games... and hoping Caver gets it going because he draws A LOT of fouls.

Porter looks to be a 65-70% free throw shooter; I don't consider him bad.

Stith has been bad, but was at 63% last year. Got off to a slow start this year so we will see if he reverts back to his former self.

(11-20-2017 10:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Porter looks to be a 65-70% free throw shooter; I don't consider him bad.

Stith has been bad, but was at 63% last year. Got off to a slow start this year so we will see if he reverts back to his former self.

I think the folks around here think 63% is pretty bad. I don't, but was kind of reacting to what others were writing.

Porter seems wildly inconsistent to me. He hits 8 of 10 some games then goes 1 for 8 in others. Maybe I am off track on that.

(11-20-2017 10:44 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 10:15 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If you look at the FT shooting the numbers are not terrible but they are missing them at critical times. Like the front end of 1 and 1s and when they have a chance to really separate. Hopefully that gets better

I think it really depends on who is shooting them. I mean some of our guys just can't shoot, so expecting them to turn into stellar shooters when they get to the free throw line is pretty unreasonable.

Caver is the biggest concern for me. For some reason he just can't shoot them for about the first half of the season every year, then it seems like he turns into an 80% shooter. X will probably be okay once he get comfortable too. BJ is s decent FT shooter, but will have off games, Haynes will probably be 65%-70%, and the front court guys are just bad free throw shooters. It is all going to come down to making sure the right guys have the ball in their hands late in games... and hoping Caver gets it going because he draws A LOT of fouls.

BJ is a decent free throw shooter is an understatement for sure. I believe he was an 80% free throw shooter last season

(11-20-2017 11:02 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 10:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Porter looks to be a 65-70% free throw shooter; I don't consider him bad.

Stith has been bad, but was at 63% last year. Got off to a slow start this year so we will see if he reverts back to his former self.

I think the folks around here think 63% is pretty bad. I don't, but was kind of reacting to what others were writing.

Porter seems wildly inconsistent to me. He hits 8 of 10 some games then goes 1 for 8 in others. Maybe I am off track on that.

Yeah, everyone on here can shoot 75% in this backyard!

(11-20-2017 11:07 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 10:44 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 10:15 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  If you look at the FT shooting the numbers are not terrible but they are missing them at critical times. Like the front end of 1 and 1s and when they have a chance to really separate. Hopefully that gets better

I think it really depends on who is shooting them. I mean some of our guys just can't shoot, so expecting them to turn into stellar shooters when they get to the free throw line is pretty unreasonable.

Caver is the biggest concern for me. For some reason he just can't shoot them for about the first half of the season every year, then it seems like he turns into an 80% shooter. X will probably be okay once he get comfortable too. BJ is s decent FT shooter, but will have off games, Haynes will probably be 65%-70%, and the front court guys are just bad free throw shooters. It is all going to come down to making sure the right guys have the ball in their hands late in games... and hoping Caver gets it going because he draws A LOT of fouls.

BJ is a decent free throw shooter is an understatement for sure. I believe he was an 80% free throw shooter last season

I think you are right, my bad.

(11-20-2017 10:00 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I wish Green would pick up his FT shooting. He was making them the first couple of games.

X gets a little pass from me on those last 2 he missed as Jeff was vocally undressing him for a bad decision right as he was walking to the line. Plus he had called Randy off the bench to replace him at the next opportunity. I think the young guy was a little shaken from the hard coaching. But he has a nice stroke and I think he'll be dependable from the line in key moments.

Our fans must think we have the most beta minded players. Didn't make free throws because he got yelled at...........

It was just a situational observation, Giles. I watch action on the court and on the sidelines. You keep reading boxscores and stats and leave the knowledge about playing and coaching the game to me.

And by the way. Does Randy Haynes have a jumpshot? I really could use your opinion on that.

Well, as of now, Haynes is shooting 28% on 3s. Hopefully, he can get that improved.

(11-20-2017 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Well, as of now, Haynes is shooting 28% on 3s. Hopefully, he can get that improved.

Randy had a great game yesterday against Dayton. You should be optimistic and acknowledge that he is trending upward. We are still in the early stages of the season where players are adjusting to their roll on the team and the play of their teammates.

(11-20-2017 01:17 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Well, as of now, Haynes is shooting 28% on 3s. Hopefully, he can get that improved.

Randy had a great game yesterday against Dayton. You should be optimistic and acknowledge that he is trending upward. We are still in the early stages of the season where players are adjusting to their roll on the team and the play of their teammates.

Certainly encouraged. Hope it continues. We would be a very good team if Haynes is a decent scorer/shooter.

Once again...back to the stats. What's more important to the team, Randy's 3 point percentage or the amount of production even if it is inside the line?

And seriously, I still would like to hear whether he has a jump shot? Or does that have to show up in the boxscore as a 3 point percentage to be true?

(11-20-2017 01:55 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Once again...back to the stats. What's more important to the team, Randy's 3 point percentage or the amount of production even if it is inside the line?

And seriously, I still would like to hear whether he has a jump shot? Or does that have to show up in the boxscore as a 3 point percentage to be true?

He has not shown the ability to consistently hit jump shots. People that see him in practice believe he has the ability to. I hope that he can.

(11-20-2017 02:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He has not shown the ability to consistently hit jump shots. People that see him in practice believe he has the ability to. I hope that he can.

Oh so now he has to make them consistently. Alrighty then.

And your second sentence is exactly what several of us were trying to say over pages of nonsense about boxscores and stats just a few days back. Randy Haynes not only showed the ability to make shots in practice, he also did it in HS.

(11-20-2017 02:25 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 02:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He has not shown the ability to consistently hit jump shots. People that see him in practice believe he has the ability to. I hope that he can.

Oh so now he has to make them consistently. Alrighty then.

And your second sentence is exactly what several of us were trying to say over pages of nonsense about boxscores and stats just a few days back. Randy Haynes not only showed the ability to make shots in practice, he also did it in HS.

I have said it over and over that he has not shown the ability to do so. He hasn't. I hope he does. One game does not prove anything. He's still shooting 28% from 3. Lets all hope he continues doing what he did vs. Dayton and not the other games he's played for ODU.

There is very little that is more ignorant than "WATCH THE GAMES, NOT THE BOX SCORES, DERP DERP."

(11-20-2017 02:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 02:25 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 02:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He has not shown the ability to consistently hit jump shots. People that see him in practice believe he has the ability to. I hope that he can.

Oh so now he has to make them consistently. Alrighty then.

And your second sentence is exactly what several of us were trying to say over pages of nonsense about boxscores and stats just a few days back. Randy Haynes not only showed the ability to make shots in practice, he also did it in HS.

I have said it over and over that he has not shown the ability to do so. He hasn't. I hope he does. One game does not prove anything. He's still shooting 28% from 3. Lets all hope he continues doing what he did vs. Dayton and not the other games he's played for ODU.

There is very little that is more ignorant than "WATCH THE GAMES, NOT THE BOX SCORES, DERP DERP."

Not buying this at all. If you only looked at box scores, you would think Ahmad couldn't shoot at all last year. Instead, it was the fact that he was having to take the shots late in the shot clock because nobody else could create their own.