(11-17-2017 08:23 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: (11-17-2017 07:47 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: (11-17-2017 12:25 AM)flawless300 Wrote: All this back-and-forth over PJ vs Lester. There’s one thing missing: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER 1-11???
Cheese and rice, give Tim a chance.
WHAT DOES 1-11 HAVE TO DO WITH THIS SEASON!?
Tim didn't inherit a 4-8 team. He inherited a 13-win team.
And? What’s the last time a 13 win team repeated, especially after having been unceremoniously dumped by their ungrateful coach? They are filled with angst and grief. Their little psyches burned to a crisp from stress. Etc. depression anxiety anger. And then a new coach has to come in and try to put their culture back into the real world. Their leader Zack moving on. Leader Spillane unsuccessfully tries to ditch them. Backups and returning vets filled with the walking wounded, patched up knees, ankles, wrists. World class receiver gone to the NFL, so injured he can’t even make it through fall camp.
13 wins was great, even PJ said just enjoy it while it lasts, then checks out. He knew what was going to happen.
Get over it.
Ernie, I don't know where you are coming from, but you are wrong with much of what you say. You almost seem disappointed with the success we had while Fleck was here.
And to here you suggest that the Fleck years were a poor culture, and that we need to get back to a "real world culture" with Lester, because we don't want to continue that lousy fired up, enthusiastic, always focused, disciplined and extremely team oriented player and coach culture, with high achievement both academically and athletically, is silly.
Here is how the last five years played out. Cubit was let go. Most people agreed the timing was right for that, but everyone tended to agree that he was a good guy, and a pretty good coach, but was never going to take us to a higher level. Beauregard hires a young, fast-talking, overly enthusiastic, inexperienced coach, who came out of the cannon with used car salesman slogans, and a new aged approach like no one had ever seen. Our opponents laughed at him, and us for hiring him, and all of the old school traditionalists on this board predicted failure from the start, and joined in the mocking, particularly through that awful first year. The players, however, liked the new guy, and really bought into what he was doing, because it made sense to them, and they worked hard to fulfill the plan. Amazingly, there were very few defectors from the team. The old school experts on this board were beyond critical of everything Fleck did, and longed for the old days of Cubit's teams.
Then, in the second year, we start winning, and playing very competitively. Still though, the old schoolers where non-stop critical, and still wanted his head on a pitchfork. The players didn't though, they loved the guy, and continued to do well by working hard and staying committed both in the classroom and on the practice and game fields. And they continued to achieve.
The last year everything came into perfect position, and the dream season occurred. Interestingly, not many sounds or made by those old schoolers who had been so vocal in the past. Indeed, some of them even, albeit reluctantly, conceided that we were winning, despite this new culture that had been created. After a season, and a competitive game in the Cotton Bowl, the coach who those old schoolers all wanted gone, left. Those who supported that coach throughout, understood that in this league coaches don't typically stay around very long if they are successful, and we understood that he, like all of the others, would seek a bigger stage. The way he left though, left many with a sour taste, because it appeared he poached recruits and even current players. I don't know that anyone around here has forgiven him for that, but some of us at least acknowledge that what he did before that was tremendous, and also understood that based on the incredible classes he left us with in terms of players, we were in a great position to continue with success, as long as someone didn't come in and decide to change the recipe.
A new coach was hired, who was universally liked, and pleasant to everyone. Some of us questioned the wisdom of hiring this particular coach, as we thought there were other options available, and had some serious question marks about whether this was the best hire under the circumstances. After almost a full year of football, and a disappointing season by everyone's standard, those concerns have manifest themselves in a very obvious way. So now, even though what is obvious is obvious, the old schoolers want to give the grand pass to the new guy who has clearly underperformed, and act like what we had the past few seasons was not all that great, and should probably just be forgotten.
Hogwash!
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It's funny how people here....
