I think it is poor management if we hire Pera as a panic hire. Dr K has done a great job of hiring. Just question his motives sometimes.

(11-15-2017 01:55 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:17 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Rice looked bad tonight. We be lucky to win 6 or 7 games this year. Was Pera the right hire? Time will tell. I am excited to see WBB this year.

I think Pera was hired in part to try to keep the team together. I will stop short of calling him a panic hire, however, because I also think he has the background to get a shot at coaching D1 basketball.

Unfortunately, no matter how much we try to look at the bright side, the bottom line is that the program was gutted and we are starting over virtually from scratch. Again. That tempers my expectations for this season a whole lot.

I'm going to write this one off, much as I did the first year under Rhoades, and I will simply hope that Pera can get the team to play hard and improve incrementally over the course of the season. Next year I will expect us to start surprising some people again, just as we did on a couple of occasions in year two under Rhoades.

Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.

(11-15-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:16 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  Great recruiting tool--- for other schools. "You go to Rice, and no one watches you play." Our home field and gym are deflating to our own team-- you cannot coach up the fact that no one cares. Shame on students for not showing-- they would be first to holler if athletes were not part of student body--- but yet do not support them, except win or tie?

Again, the program needs to give people a reason to care. If the Shepherd School consistently put on terrible performances where the symphony, opera, whatever were disorganized and not very skilled, attendance would likely drop and folks would find other ways to spend their time. People started going to Rice Baseball because the team was very good and fun to watch. When performance started dropping, so did attendance. Football and basketball would be the same. Maybe Rice Football and Rice Basketball never get the crowds that you see at UT or Duke, regardless of how much winning goes on at Rice. But it would be a hell of a lot more people then we get right now putting up mostly crap (football) or an inconsistent RiceRising (basketball).

(11-15-2017 12:05 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  I think it is poor management if we hire Pera as a panic hire. Dr K has done a great job of hiring. Just question his motives sometimes.

(11-15-2017 12:12 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.[quote='mrbig'

I disagree, I think Pera will end up being a very good hire for Rice. Time will tell. But his resume fits what I would want in a coach. His resume is more John Pope (high school state championships) or Mike Rhoades (both associate head coaches before coming to Rice as their first D1 head coaching job) than David Bailiff. If you are saying that he would be a terrible couch, I guess I have to agree. Way to small and he doesn't look very comfortable to sit on.

I have always likened this year to Rhoades' 2nd year. We started off Year 2 losing 2 games in California to just mediocre teams. We got destroyed by USF, the same USF that we beat just a year later at Tudor. Georgia State is likely a much better team than the USF we faced 2015. I reserve judgement until i see how we play against a team much closer to us in RPI, which sad to say needs to be a team with >200 rpi.

(11-15-2017 12:12 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.

We tried that with Braun. And that was a dumpster fire.

Hiring a known retread will not work at Rice. Pera certainly has to prove himself and has a lot of work to do, but if rather take a chance on a guy like that than a guy who got pushed out by a school with more money, resources and stuff than Rice.

(11-15-2017 01:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 12:12 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.

We tried that with Braun. And that was a dumpster fire.

Hiring a known retread will not work at Rice. Pera certainly has to prove himself and has a lot of work to do, but if rather take a chance on a guy like that than a guy who got pushed out by a school with more money, resources and stuff than Rice.

The last 10 Rice MBB coaches had overall losing records when they left. It has been over 60 years since we hired a coach who can win at Rice. Pera has a good a chance as anyone else who would have taken the job.

Rough crowd. DB gets 11 years and some here are questioning Pera's hire after 2 games?

I think Scott Pera will be a men's basketball coach of which we can all be proud. I just hope he's still at Rice at that point.

(11-15-2017 03:55 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Rough crowd. DB gets 11 years and some here are questioning Pera's hire after 2 games?

I think Scott Pera will be a men's basketball coach of which we can all be proud. I just hope he's still at Rice at that point.

I agree. I don't think it was a panic hire at all. The only guy who might've stayed at the time of his hiring was Quez and apparently he couldn't even cut it in the classroom so it doesn't matter. He has the resume of someone I think we should target with our new hires and he has a city specific connection with Harden that can only help us.

Definitely dissapointed with the game and team performance but not with Pera. My only coaching question from yesterday is how could we have adjusted to stop their swing passes to open 3s in the corner. When we rotate well it isn't an issue but we didn't rotate well last night and they repeatedly exploited it.

Wonder if we plan on always played a 2-3 zone. We seem to be recruiting enough length to make it work.

James Harden believes in Pera who was his high school coach. An even worse retread disaster was Bob Polk in the 1970s. We got rid of Don Knodel to get Polk. Knodel still attends Rice sporting events and he was our last coach to win a SWC championship. The last Rice coach with an overall winning record was Don Suman 1949-1959. I will try to come up to see some of the games.

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(11-15-2017 01:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 12:12 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.

We tried that with Braun. And that was a dumpster fire.

Hiring a known retread will not work at Rice. Pera certainly has to prove himself and has a lot of work to do, but if rather take a chance on a guy like that than a guy who got pushed out by a school with more money, resources and stuff than Rice.

The last 10 Rice MBB coaches had overall losing records when they left. It has been over 60 years since we hired a coach who can win at Rice. Pera has a good a chance as anyone else who would have taken the job.
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Danny Carroll (1971-1975) was not happy when the crowd was so silent that he could hear the ball bouncing. A low crowd then was around 500.

(11-14-2017 09:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  People ***** about student attendance but for a Tuesday night it wasn’t terrible (probably 150 or so).

Our alumni and community support sure is terrible. There weren’t 300 other people there besides students. This is against a team that has some name cache as a recent Cinderella.

My high school would draw a couple thousand for big HOCKEY games. Are our salespeople asleep?

The Northeast Catholic schools have a great basketball tradition. Most of them do not play football so basketball is important.

(11-14-2017 10:35 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 10:20 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Yeah, I don’t know what it is though. There are lots of D1 (many Catholic) schools in the Northeast in particular, with smaller alumni bases than ours (and in medium-large cities), that draw better.

For example, Siena drew 5300 yesterday at home against FGCU, fairly good comp to GaST.

What are they doing that we aren’t? Budget certainly isn’t an excuse.

Loudonville (plus greater Albany area) has a population of just over 100,000, but I doubt that there's as much competition for the entertainment dollar.

The alums I know are more likely to go to baseball games. Our football and basketball have been so bad for so long that most of them have become discouraged from going to the games.

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(11-14-2017 10:20 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 10:05 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  People ***** about student attendance but for a Tuesday night it wasn’t terrible (probably 150 or so).

Our alumni and community support sure is terrible. There weren’t 300 other people there besides students. This is against a team that has some name cache as a recent Cinderella.

My high school would draw a couple thousand for big HOCKEY games. Are our salespeople asleep?

Students turnout was better than I thought it would be at the start. But you're right the community support is probably the worst in D1. I think the bigger issue is you can't even give away tickets to get people to watch Rice play Georgia state. Trust me I've tried. I used to buy 2 tickets so I could bring someone to watch that wouldn't normally but most nights not a single person would take 2 hours to watch a game.

Yeah, I don’t know what it is though. There are lots of D1 (many Catholic) schools in the Northeast in particular, with smaller alumni bases than ours (and in medium-large cities), that draw better.

For example, Siena drew 5300 yesterday at home against FGCU, fairly good comp to GaST

What are they doing that we aren’t? Budget certainly isn’t an excuse.

Sadly, I think the majority of Rice alumni just don't care about sports in general. Baseball gets a good draw citywide because of their consistent prominence. Until basketball starts to deliver consistent success the crowd will always be lacking
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(11-15-2017 04:05 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 03:55 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Rough crowd. DB gets 11 years and some here are questioning Pera's hire after 2 games?

I think Scott Pera will be a men's basketball coach of which we can all be proud. I just hope he's still at Rice at that point.

I agree. I don't think it was a panic hire at all. The only guy who might've stayed at the time of his hiring was Quez and apparently he couldn't even cut it in the classroom so it doesn't matter. He has the resume of someone I think we should target with our new hires and he has a city specific connection with Harden that can only help us.

Definitely dissapointed with the game and team performance but not with Pera. My only coaching question from yesterday is how could we have adjusted to stop their swing passes to open 3s in the corner. When we rotate well it isn't an issue but we didn't rotate well last night and they repeatedly exploited it.

Wonder if we plan on always played a 2-3 zone. We seem to be recruiting enough length to make it work.

Unfortunately, yesterday was going to be a really tough defensive matchup regardless of whether be played zone or man. Even if had switched to man at some point, we have nobody who can defend Simonds. He would've penetrated at will, the defense would need to collapse, and the same looks they were getting outside against the zone would've still been there. Think this is where the incoming 2018 class will provide us some versatility. By all accounts, both Moore and Mullins are very tough defenders.

(11-15-2017 12:12 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Agree. We should have hired a couch known in the college ranks. The fans will come then, not some unknown who has to prove himself to be a head coach.

(11-15-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 10:16 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  Great recruiting tool--- for other schools. "You go to Rice, and no one watches you play." Our home field and gym are deflating to our own team-- you cannot coach up the fact that no one cares. Shame on students for not showing-- they would be first to holler if athletes were not part of student body--- but yet do not support them, except win or tie?

Again, the program needs to give people a reason to care. If the Shepherd School consistently put on terrible performances where the symphony, opera, whatever were disorganized and not very skilled, attendance would likely drop and folks would find other ways to spend their time. People started going to Rice Baseball because the team was very good and fun to watch. When performance started dropping, so did attendance. Football and basketball would be the same. Maybe Rice Football and Rice Basketball never get the crowds that you see at UT or Duke, regardless of how much winning goes on at Rice. But it would be a hell of a lot more people then we get right now putting up mostly crap (football) or an inconsistent RiceRising (basketball).

This is long overdue but I am finally putting you on ignore. Hopefully others will do the same.

Every day I am thankful that my approach to the world is not the same as Old Owl.

(11-15-2017 05:57 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  Every day I am thankful that my approach to the world is not the same as Old Owl.

You prefer chairs to couches?

It depends...thanks for the laugh.

(11-15-2017 05:57 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  Every day I am thankful that my approach to the world is not the same as Old Owl.

I look at it as comic relief!

I hate a couch that looses.

(11-15-2017 06:54 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  I hate a couch that looses.

still haven't decided if they are typo's