(11-02-2017 07:51 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  You statement is absurd. The difficulty of competing for a National Championship year in and year out is insanely high given the amount of unknown variables you will face as a coach (injuries, weather, suspensions to name a few).

50% chance to win a college football championship every year? Sign me up.

So you argument is that it is difficult. Yes, so is winning 4 national titles in 8 years, but that didn't stop them. Who is always #1 in pre-season polls? Because they are expected to be the #1 team. Sure, it sounds absurd, but before each season, if you ask who you expect to be playing in the national championship game, people will say Alabama vs ?.

If you had to pick at least 1 team that would be in the national championship game next season, who would you pick?

(11-02-2017 07:48 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:54 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I thought our Memphis team with Paxton Lynch would do pretty well in the Birmingham Bowl vs Auburn two years ago. I know Justin Fuente had left and we were short on coaching staff, but just looking at the players on the field, we were overmatched. What really stuck out to me was that their DB's were huge and fast. It was like men versus boys. At least that is what my personal eye-test said.

I think that UCF would have zero chance versus Bama and their bench full of 5 star recruits, That's just me.

Wow, for all those 5 star athletes, they certainly don't get the results you would expect.

Alabama has won 4 national titles in the past 8 years. That's not getting the results you would expect?

Do you think paying your HC $11M / yr and not winning a national title every year isn't expected? Given he wasn't making that much each of those 8 years, but the point is while 4 titles in 8 years is crazy good, they are expected to win a title every year. ....

Point is... no, 4 national titles in past 8 years is not getting the expected results.

So I guess that must mean that the Alabama community - boosters, alumni, students, etc. - are right now burning Saban in effigy for abjectly failing to achieve those expectations, right? And if I googled lists of "coaches on the hot seat" from ESPN, SB Nation, etc., Saban's name is surely right at the top of the list with Butch Jones, right?

Oops! No, to the contrary, if Saban tried to leave Alabama they'd probably send a posse to kidnap him.

It's astonishing to have to say this, but no, nobody expects Alabama to win the title every year. Nobody wins the title every year, Bear Bryant, the patron saint of the state, didn't win it every year. It's just a ridiculous thing to say, totally unhinged.

(11-02-2017 09:42 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:14 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:59 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  Alabama, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State appear to be in a class of their own this year. They are dominating everyone except each other.

The CFP committee likes Oklahoma and Clemson, the AP likes Wisconsin. But those teams haven't been dominant, even against some bad opponents. I think UCF would have a chance against them or anyone else outside my top 5 if we played a clean game.

I'd give UCF a puncher's chance against anyone. I don't think they're going to line up against Alabama, UGA, or ND this year and win consistently. But when you have guys like Killins, Otis Anderson, a dual threat QB like Milton, it's a game of inches. If Killins gets that inch around the linebackers, no one is catching him.

Yeah, I'm not liking the timid attitudes shown here. You'd think they were all a bunch of dogs that get kicked in the ribs by their drunken owners every night. Sad part is, if you go back and look, it is in order to look cool and tough and more knowledgeable than the people they are insulting. I'm sure there is a term for it in psychology - 8th grader gets picked on by a 10th grader, so he in turn picks on a 6th grader.

How do you guys get out of bed in the morning? Sheesh.

They've bought into the pedestal ESPN has built for the P5 and definitely the elite P5. Alabama is made up of kids, just like every other team, not gods.

Football is a game of matchups and inches. Alabama is a great team, built to excel at a particular style of play (pro style). What amazes me is the entire SEC tries to build a better version of Alabama and expects to beat them.

I watched Houston wear out FSU a couple years ago, because FSU was not built to beat them. FSU had a 2 deep made up entirely of 4* and 5* players. But they were conditioned to play against an NFL style offense. In the second quarter, those guys didn't know where the line of scrimmage was before the ball was snapped.

(11-02-2017 09:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:54 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I thought our Memphis team with Paxton Lynch would do pretty well in the Birmingham Bowl vs Auburn two years ago. I know Justin Fuente had left and we were short on coaching staff, but just looking at the players on the field, we were overmatched. What really stuck out to me was that their DB's were huge and fast. It was like men versus boys. At least that is what my personal eye-test said.

I think that UCF would have zero chance versus Bama and their bench full of 5 star recruits, That's just me.

Wow, for all those 5 star athletes, they certainly don't get the results you would expect.

Alabama has won 4 national titles in the past 8 years. That's not getting the results you would expect?

That's called fictitious National titles. Some were only 2 teams invited while others were only 4 teams invited. I refuse to call that national titles.

Well maybe you refuse to, but basically the whole rest of the world regards them as national titles. They got a big trophy, they were invited to the White House, the whole shebang. Hint: your opinion doesn't count for much, neither does mine.



Plus, your response doesn't make any sense even on its own absurd terms, because you claimed Alabama wasn't getting the results one would expect, which means you had to have some standard of performance in mind when you said it. And no matter what standard you choose - national titles, SEC titles, overall wins and losses - it's absurd to say that they haven't gotten the results anyone would expect.

Just admit you had a brain fart with that one and move on.

(11-01-2017 06:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:54 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I thought our Memphis team with Paxton Lynch would do pretty well in the Birmingham Bowl vs Auburn two years ago. I know Justin Fuente had left and we were short on coaching staff, but just looking at the players on the field, we were overmatched. What really stuck out to me was that their DB's were huge and fast. It was like men versus boys. At least that is what my personal eye-test said.

I think that UCF would have zero chance versus Bama and their bench full of 5 star recruits, That's just me.

Wow, for all those 5 star athletes, they certainly don't get the results you would expect. You'd think they never give up a point and score a TD on every possession. That said, I can't find any year with more than 4 first round picks (rare to find). Most years 1 or 2 first rounders. From 2001 through 2007, they didn't have first rounders.

Name all the Alabama 5 star QB recruits who consistently started in the NFL in the last 20 years. I can't think of any. You have to go all the way back to the 1960's to find Alabama QBs who starred in the NFL (Kenny Stabler and Joe Namath).

Alabama has weaknesses just like everyone else. They are beatable just like any other top team including Syracuse beating Clemson just this year.

Even their coach failed when he got to the NFL, finishing his last year at 6 and 10 with the Dolphins in 2006.

some people coach better at the collegiate level than the professional ranks. There is precedent for it.

(11-02-2017 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:54 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I thought our Memphis team with Paxton Lynch would do pretty well in the Birmingham Bowl vs Auburn two years ago. I know Justin Fuente had left and we were short on coaching staff, but just looking at the players on the field, we were overmatched. What really stuck out to me was that their DB's were huge and fast. It was like men versus boys. At least that is what my personal eye-test said.

I think that UCF would have zero chance versus Bama and their bench full of 5 star recruits, That's just me.

Wow, for all those 5 star athletes, they certainly don't get the results you would expect.

Alabama has won 4 national titles in the past 8 years. That's not getting the results you would expect?

That's called fictitious National titles. Some were only 2 teams invited while others were only 4 teams invited. I refuse to call that national titles.

Well maybe you refuse to, but basically the whole rest of the world regards them as national titles. They got a big trophy, they were invited to the White House, the whole shebang. Hint: your opinion doesn't count for much, neither does mine.



Plus, your response doesn't make any sense even on its own absurd terms, because you claimed Alabama wasn't getting the results one would expect, which means you had to have some standard of performance in mind when you said it. And no matter what standard you choose - national titles, SEC titles, overall wins and losses - it's absurd to say that they haven't gotten the results anyone would expect.

Just admit you had a brain fart with that one and move on.

I agree that neither of our opinions matter but can definitely say that I'm not alone in my opinion of fictitious national champions.

Lets look at this from another vantage point. Since the CFP started, not once has the top seed won it. Once the top seed didn't even make it to the game. Once the 4th seed won it. The last two games were decided by 4 and 5 points respectively. What that tells me is that either the committee has no idea who deserves to be #1, or simply chooses the most popular team as #1.

The question is, why couldn't an 8th seeded team upset the first seed, as happens often in the Big Dance? I do agree that if I was betting, which I don't do, and was forced to pick either Alabama or UCF to win I would pick Alabama.

That said, as my subject title says, UCF would have a chance to beat Alabama. I never said anything about favoring UCF to win.

I will make one final point about Alabama's glaring weakness. They can't consistently through the ball. At 171st in the nation that has to be considered a weakness. They have one receiver who has more then 12 receptions on the year. That receiver is a possession receiver at 12.8 YPC. If I was coaching against them, assuming I have a decent secondary, I'd double the one guy and punch the other guys at the LOS since they are no threat. Than you try to stop the run with 8 in the box.

Alabama is 120-13 since 2008 with 4 national titles. I don't even think the craziest Bama fan(and they are crazy as ****) who doesnt think that is doing pretty well.

(11-01-2017 03:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  According to Joel Klatt, see below. Alabama has scheduled the least actual OOC road games of any P5 team since 2007. According to Klatt, which he backs up with facts, Alabama has the weakest schedule make up of any of the top 10 CFP teams, scheduling 2 G5 and 1 FCS team, more than any other top 10 team. Yet, they get away because of who they are.

So of all the top 4 CFP, no less the top 10 teams, UCF would have as good a chance against Alabama as they would against any of them. Stop with all this Alabama love affair and look at the facts. Are they good? Of course! But they are beatable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlbvide...vp-AAukoWV

lol

Alabama would would take your lunch money, steal your girlfriend, and kick yoyr dog before your knew what had just happened...

or if we want the University-6 variation:

take your crack, steal your hooker, and kick your shoe contractor...

(11-02-2017 04:56 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  According to Joel Klatt, see below. Alabama has scheduled the least actual OOC road games of any P5 team since 2007. According to Klatt, which he backs up with facts, Alabama has the weakest schedule make up of any of the top 10 CFP teams, scheduling 2 G5 and 1 FCS team, more than any other top 10 team. Yet, they get away because of who they are.

So of all the top 4 CFP, no less the top 10 teams, UCF would have as good a chance against Alabama as they would against any of them. Stop with all this Alabama love affair and look at the facts. Are they good? Of course! But they are beatable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlbvide...vp-AAukoWV

lol

Alabama would would take your lunch money, steal your girlfriend, and kick yoyr dog before your knew what had just happened...

or if we want the University-6 variation:

take your crack, steal your hooker, and kick your shoe contractor...

lol

(11-02-2017 04:56 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  According to Joel Klatt, see below. Alabama has scheduled the least actual OOC road games of any P5 team since 2007. According to Klatt, which he backs up with facts, Alabama has the weakest schedule make up of any of the top 10 CFP teams, scheduling 2 G5 and 1 FCS team, more than any other top 10 team. Yet, they get away because of who they are.

So of all the top 4 CFP, no less the top 10 teams, UCF would have as good a chance against Alabama as they would against any of them. Stop with all this Alabama love affair and look at the facts. Are they good? Of course! But they are beatable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlbvide...vp-AAukoWV

lol

Alabama would would take your lunch money, steal your girlfriend, and kick yoyr dog before your knew what had just happened...

or if we want the University-6 variation:

take your crack, steal your hooker, and kick your shoe contractor...

Not my hooker!

(11-02-2017 01:12 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Wow, for all those 5 star athletes, they certainly don't get the results you would expect.

Alabama has won 4 national titles in the past 8 years. That's not getting the results you would expect?

That's called fictitious National titles. Some were only 2 teams invited while others were only 4 teams invited. I refuse to call that national titles.

Well maybe you refuse to, but basically the whole rest of the world regards them as national titles. They got a big trophy, they were invited to the White House, the whole shebang. Hint: your opinion doesn't count for much, neither does mine.



Plus, your response doesn't make any sense even on its own absurd terms, because you claimed Alabama wasn't getting the results one would expect, which means you had to have some standard of performance in mind when you said it. And no matter what standard you choose - national titles, SEC titles, overall wins and losses - it's absurd to say that they haven't gotten the results anyone would expect.

Just admit you had a brain fart with that one and move on.

I agree that neither of our opinions matter but can definitely say that I'm not alone in my opinion of fictitious national champions.

Lets look at this from another vantage point. Since the CFP started, not once has the top seed won it. Once the top seed didn't even make it to the game. Once the 4th seed won it. The last two games were decided by 4 and 5 points respectively. What that tells me is that either the committee has no idea who deserves to be #1, or simply chooses the most popular team as #1.

The question is, why couldn't an 8th seeded team upset the first seed, as happens often in the Big Dance? I do agree that if I was betting, which I don't do, and was forced to pick either Alabama or UCF to win I would pick Alabama.

That said, as my subject title says, UCF would have a chance to beat Alabama. I never said anything about favoring UCF to win.

I will make one final point about Alabama's glaring weakness. They can't consistently through the ball. At 171st in the nation that has to be considered a weakness. They have one receiver who has more then 12 receptions on the year. That receiver is a possession receiver at 12.8 YPC. If I was coaching against them, assuming I have a decent secondary, I'd double the one guy and punch the other guys at the LOS since they are no threat. Than you try to stop the run with 8 in the box.

Another way to look at the CFP seedings is that when you are talking the 4 best teams in the country out of 120 or so teams, it makes sense that they would be very close in overall quality, such that it's not really a surprise if #3 beats #2 or #4 beats #1. We're not talking about #40 beating #1, we're talking about #4 doing it.

And even with that situation, in two of the three years of the CFP, the title game has indeed been #1 vs #2. And both games have gone down to the wire, which again is not unexpected if they truly are the two very best teams in the country.

As for Alabama, yes I agree, they don't rely much on passing. But you load up the box, and that means one on one matchups in the secondary, a lot easier to throw. I'm sure coaches have tried that before, you try to do what you can.

BTW, here's a fun Alabama fact. Since they got good in 2008, they have lost a total of 13 games. Do you know what the average number of wins that those thirteen teams have beaten them had?

*13*. That's right, the average team that beat Alabama since 2008 was a team that won 13 games the year they beat them.

That's pretty amazing.

(11-02-2017 04:56 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  According to Joel Klatt, see below. Alabama has scheduled the least actual OOC road games of any P5 team since 2007. According to Klatt, which he backs up with facts, Alabama has the weakest schedule make up of any of the top 10 CFP teams, scheduling 2 G5 and 1 FCS team, more than any other top 10 team. Yet, they get away because of who they are.

So of all the top 4 CFP, no less the top 10 teams, UCF would have as good a chance against Alabama as they would against any of them. Stop with all this Alabama love affair and look at the facts. Are they good? Of course! But they are beatable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlbvide...vp-AAukoWV

lol

Alabama would would take your lunch money, steal your girlfriend, and kick yoyr dog before your knew what had just happened...

or if we want the University-6 variation:

take your crack, steal your hooker, and kick your shoe contractor...

This year's Alabama team may be the best Alabama team ever and they are getting better every week. I will honestly be surprised if anyone stays within 14 points of them the rest of the year. I'll honestly be shocked if they don't completely unhinge LSU. Auburn might scare them at Auburn because the laws of the natural universe get slightly out of kilter when they play. Other than auburn no one has a chance.

As for U_F or anybody else in our conference, we would get run off the field by halftime. They would beat all of us like we were a high school team. Bama would beat a team comprised of our best players from our top teams by 21.

That is reality.

(11-02-2017 05:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 01:12 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:00 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Alabama has won 4 national titles in the past 8 years. That's not getting the results you would expect?

That's called fictitious National titles. Some were only 2 teams invited while others were only 4 teams invited. I refuse to call that national titles.

Well maybe you refuse to, but basically the whole rest of the world regards them as national titles. They got a big trophy, they were invited to the White House, the whole shebang. Hint: your opinion doesn't count for much, neither does mine.



Plus, your response doesn't make any sense even on its own absurd terms, because you claimed Alabama wasn't getting the results one would expect, which means you had to have some standard of performance in mind when you said it. And no matter what standard you choose - national titles, SEC titles, overall wins and losses - it's absurd to say that they haven't gotten the results anyone would expect.

Just admit you had a brain fart with that one and move on.

I agree that neither of our opinions matter but can definitely say that I'm not alone in my opinion of fictitious national champions.

Lets look at this from another vantage point. Since the CFP started, not once has the top seed won it. Once the top seed didn't even make it to the game. Once the 4th seed won it. The last two games were decided by 4 and 5 points respectively. What that tells me is that either the committee has no idea who deserves to be #1, or simply chooses the most popular team as #1.

The question is, why couldn't an 8th seeded team upset the first seed, as happens often in the Big Dance? I do agree that if I was betting, which I don't do, and was forced to pick either Alabama or UCF to win I would pick Alabama.

That said, as my subject title says, UCF would have a chance to beat Alabama. I never said anything about favoring UCF to win.

I will make one final point about Alabama's glaring weakness. They can't consistently through the ball. At 171st in the nation that has to be considered a weakness. They have one receiver who has more then 12 receptions on the year. That receiver is a possession receiver at 12.8 YPC. If I was coaching against them, assuming I have a decent secondary, I'd double the one guy and punch the other guys at the LOS since they are no threat. Than you try to stop the run with 8 in the box.

Another way to look at the CFP seedings is that when you are talking the 4 best teams in the country out of 120 or so teams, it makes sense that they would be very close in overall quality, such that it's not really a surprise if #3 beats #2 or #4 beats #1. We're not talking about #40 beating #1, we're talking about #4 doing it.

And even with that situation, in two of the three years of the CFP, the title game has indeed been #1 vs #2. And both games have gone down to the wire, which again is not unexpected if they truly are the two very best teams in the country.

As for Alabama, yes I agree, they don't rely much on passing. But you load up the box, and that means one on one matchups in the secondary, a lot easier to throw. I'm sure coaches have tried that before, you try to do what you can.

BTW, here's a fun Alabama fact. Since they got good in 2008, they have lost a total of 13 games. Do you know what the average number of wins that those thirteen teams have beaten them had?

*13*. That's right, the average team that beat Alabama since 2008 was a team that won 13 games the year they beat them.

That's pretty amazing.

In 2008 these kids were what 4th grade. I love how people use "ancient" stats when referring to 18 to 22 years old kids, as if those stats have anything to do with the current team.

No one expects #40 team to compete against #2, in Alabama's case. Whoever said that? I do expect a 13 and 0 team, if UCF can get that far, who would have several good wins under their belt, to compete with any team in the country. By competing, I expect UCF to be able to keep games to a touchdown or less, if they actually are that good.

This is all speculative at this point because the season hasn't progressed that far yet. Both teams could have 1 or more losses before the season end. So the conversation is a little premature right now.

^just because you run the table doesnt mean can play within seven pts of anyone lol

UCF could be 12-0 and still lose by 28 to Bama...

(11-02-2017 09:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  ^just because you run the table doesnt mean can play within seven pts of anyone lol

UCF could be 12-0 and still lose by 28 to Bama...

Yet Alabama couldn't beat 2 and 5 FSU by more than 17 or beat 6 and 3 CSU (G4), at home, by more than 18. I realize that you are trolling but I would think you can do better than that. That's weak trolling!

(11-01-2017 03:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  According to Joel Klatt, see below. Alabama has scheduled the least actual OOC road games of any P5 team since 2007. According to Klatt, which he backs up with facts, Alabama has the weakest schedule make up of any of the top 10 CFP teams, scheduling 2 G5 and 1 FCS team, more than any other top 10 team. Yet, they get away because of who they are.

So of all the top 4 CFP, no less the top 10 teams, UCF would have as good a chance against Alabama as they would against any of them. Stop with all this Alabama love affair and look at the facts. Are they good? Of course! But they are beatable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlbvide...vp-AAukoWV

Every team is beatable. Doesn't mean UCF or any other AAC team would stand much of a chance. Alabama is bigger, faster, and more violent than nearly every other team in the country. They play fast and angry. UCF don't want none. Neither does any other AAC team this year.

(11-02-2017 05:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This year's Alabama team may be the best Alabama team ever and they are getting better every week. I will honestly be surprised if anyone stays within 14 points of them the rest of the year.

Texas A&M (5-3) lost by 8
Colorado State (6-3) lost by 18
Florida State (2-5) lost by 17

You don't think LSU, Miss St, or Auburn can do better than those 3? That's assuming you're not talking about the Georgia in the SEC CCG or the CFP opponents too.

They are mostly blowing out cupcakes. Of course it's not their fault that FSU is terrible and the SEC-West is down and they drew the 2 worst SEC-East teams for cross-division play. But it's also not UCF's fault that GT was cancelled and the AAC-East is down and the AAC in general isn't as respected as the P5s.

I'm not saying UCF would beat Bama, just that they aren't being penalized for their SOS the way UCF or even Wisconsin is

(11-03-2017 12:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Every team is beatable. Doesn't mean UCF or any other AAC team would stand much of a chance. Alabama is bigger, faster, and more violent than nearly every other team in the country. They play fast and angry. UCF don't want none. Neither does any other AAC team this year.

They may be bigger and/or stronger, but they're not faster, I can guarantee that. They're still human and at some point you have to decide between bigger or faster, but you can't have both. Maybe bigger wins and stops a play at the LOS. Maybe faster by a finger tip results in an 80 yard TD. There isn't a right answer for every scenario.

This thread is priceless. Alabama would club them like a baby seal.

(11-03-2017 01:13 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 12:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Every team is beatable. Doesn't mean UCF or any other AAC team would stand much of a chance. Alabama is bigger, faster, and more violent than nearly every other team in the country. They play fast and angry. UCF don't want none. Neither does any other AAC team this year.

They may be bigger and/or stronger, but they're not faster, I can guarantee that. They're still human and at some point you have to decide between bigger or faster, but you can't have both. Maybe bigger wins and stops a play at the LOS. Maybe faster by a finger tip results in an 80 yard TD. There isn't a right answer for every scenario.

They're big and fast

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index....playe.html