(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think there will be any leftover scraps. There isn't with the SEC, and it'd be the exact same thing.

There will be scraps in basketball. Raycom already gobbles up nearly every ACC game not picked up in standard tiers.

Are there basketball scraps though with the SEC? it would be the same thing there.

And if there were any, it would only be the absolute dog OOC games. Definitely no conference games.

(10-13-2017 02:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  fair to say in the article now:
Update, 2:27 p.m.: A spokesperson said the rumors of a potential sale of ABC are “untrue.”

I think RG was talking a lot of hope here quite frankly. He wants desprately for ESPN to lose power.

Yeah because they would totally say if it was true right?

Like you do with your hatred of Fox Sports?

(10-13-2017 02:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Are there basketball scraps though with the SEC? it would be the same thing there.

And if there were any, it would only be the absolute dog OOC games. Definitely no conference games.

Don't follow any non-ACC hoops close enough to have a feel for that. But I know Raycom was picking up several dozen ACC games a year including conference games. If ESPN is willing to spread out the hoops schedule to have multiple games every single night on an ACC TV channel that may eat up nearly all the inventory but I have a very tough time seeing them picking up *EVERYTHING*.

(10-13-2017 02:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  fair to say in the article now:
Update, 2:27 p.m.: A spokesperson said the rumors of a potential sale of ABC are “untrue.”

I think RG was talking a lot of hope here quite frankly. He wants desprately for ESPN to lose power.

Yeah because they would totally say if it was true right?

Like you do with your hatred of Fox Sports?

I don't hate Fox Sports. I just am not blindly in love with it like everyone else here is. People here want to act like it's the 2nd coming. And it's not. Not even remotely close. FS1 is far closer to CBSSN or NBCSN than it is ESPN. People here want to take weeks like this upcoming week for FS1 with the Yankees in the LCS and act like it's so close to ESPN. But it's not.

(10-13-2017 02:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Are there basketball scraps though with the SEC? it would be the same thing there.

And if there were any, it would only be the absolute dog OOC games. Definitely no conference games.

Don't follow any non-ACC hoops close enough to have a feel for that. But I know Raycom was picking up several dozen ACC games a year including conference games. If ESPN is willing to spread out the hoops schedule to have multiple games every single night on an ACC TV channel that may eat up nearly all the inventory but I have a very tough time seeing them picking up *EVERYTHING*.

That's why you have a ACC Network, for Everything.

From wiki-
ACC Network is expected to be discontinued after the 2018–19 season; in July 2016, ESPN announced plans to launch an ACC cable network in 2019, and will acquire the ACC rights that were previously sub-licensed to Raycom.

(10-13-2017 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  fair to say in the article now:
Update, 2:27 p.m.: A spokesperson said the rumors of a potential sale of ABC are “untrue.”

I think RG was talking a lot of hope here quite frankly. He wants desprately for ESPN to lose power.

Yeah because they would totally say if it was true right?

Like you do with your hatred of Fox Sports?

I don't hate Fox Sports. I just am not blindly in love with it like everyone else here is. People here want to act like it's the 2nd coming. And it's not. Not even remotely close. FS1 is far closer to CBSSN or NBCSN than it is ESPN. People here want to take weeks like this upcoming week for FS1 with the Yankees in the LCS and act like it's so close to ESPN. But it's not.

Who here acts like FS1 is the second coming? hahahaha You talk more negatively about FS1 than anyone here talks positively about FS1. It's not even close.

people here act like FS1 is close to being good. It's not- it's a long ways away. I'm realistic with it. There are things I watch on it quite frankly a lot. But it's got so far to go- to start with a lot more live sports rights. Until that happens, it's got no chance. Absolutely zero.

I'll use what folks said with the Big Ten as a good example. Folks here thought that it was a no brainer win for Fox. But reality is that ESPN is having an extremely good year with Big Ten football. And will always because they will get #1 choice of top game in half the weeks of the year. And it's not like it's picks 7-12 they get, it's 2,4,6,8,10,12. People here want to act like the Big Ten is saving FS1. Here's the Big Ten games on FS1 this year so far
Ohio St/Nebraska(tomorrow)
Nebraska/Illinois
Maryland/Minnesota
UCF/Maryland
N Illinois/Nebraska
Ohio/Purdue
Washington/Rutgers

Sorry but that's no saving for FS1 at all. Most all of the good Fox Big Ten games on Big Fox(as you would expect). What fox did was carve out more broadcast windows for Big Fox.

(10-13-2017 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  people here act like FS1 is close to being good. It's not- it's a long ways away. I'm realistic with it. There are things I watch on it quite frankly a lot. But it's got so far to go- to start with a lot more live sports rights. Until that happens, it's got no chance. Absolutely zero.

I'll use what folks said with the Big Ten as a good example. Folks here thought that it was a no brainer win for Fox. But reality is that ESPN is having an extremely good year with Big Ten football. And will always because they will get #1 choice of top game in half the weeks of the year. And it's not like it's picks 7-12 they get, it's 2,4,6,8,10,12. People here want to act like the Big Ten is saving FS1. Here's the Big Ten games on FS1 this year so far
Ohio St/Nebraska(tomorrow)
Nebraska/Illinois
Maryland/Minnesota
UCF/Maryland
N Illinois/Nebraska
Ohio/Purdue
Washington/Rutgers

Sorry but that's no saving for FS1 at all. Most all of the good Fox Big Ten games on Big Fox(as you would expect). What fox did was carve out more broadcast windows for Big Fox.

Stop hijacking this thread! You come by and take over a thread an completely start talking about off topic stuff. You have an axe to grind against FS1? Then go start your won thread.

(10-13-2017 03:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  people here act like FS1 is close to being good. It's not- it's a long ways away. I'm realistic with it. There are things I watch on it quite frankly a lot. But it's got so far to go- to start with a lot more live sports rights. Until that happens, it's got no chance. Absolutely zero.

I'll use what folks said with the Big Ten as a good example. Folks here thought that it was a no brainer win for Fox. But reality is that ESPN is having an extremely good year with Big Ten football. And will always because they will get #1 choice of top game in half the weeks of the year. And it's not like it's picks 7-12 they get, it's 2,4,6,8,10,12. People here want to act like the Big Ten is saving FS1. Here's the Big Ten games on FS1 this year so far
Ohio St/Nebraska(tomorrow)
Nebraska/Illinois
Maryland/Minnesota
UCF/Maryland
N Illinois/Nebraska
Ohio/Purdue
Washington/Rutgers

Sorry but that's no saving for FS1 at all. Most all of the good Fox Big Ten games on Big Fox(as you would expect). What fox did was carve out more broadcast windows for Big Fox.

Stop hijacking this thread! You come by and take over a thread an completely start talking about off topic stuff. You have an axe to grind against FS1? Then go start your won thread.

You are the one who posted this hoping that it would happen so ESPN's reach gets hurt.

(10-13-2017 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  people here act like FS1 is close to being good. It's not- it's a long ways away. I'm realistic with it. There are things I watch on it quite frankly a lot. But it's got so far to go- to start with a lot more live sports rights. Until that happens, it's got no chance. Absolutely zero.

I'll use what folks said with the Big Ten as a good example. Folks here thought that it was a no brainer win for Fox. But reality is that ESPN is having an extremely good year with Big Ten football. And will always because they will get #1 choice of top game in half the weeks of the year. And it's not like it's picks 7-12 they get, it's 2,4,6,8,10,12. People here want to act like the Big Ten is saving FS1. Here's the Big Ten games on FS1 this year so far
Ohio St/Nebraska(tomorrow)
Nebraska/Illinois
Maryland/Minnesota
UCF/Maryland
N Illinois/Nebraska
Ohio/Purdue
Washington/Rutgers

Sorry but that's no saving for FS1 at all. Most all of the good Fox Big Ten games on Big Fox(as you would expect). What fox did was carve out more broadcast windows for Big Fox.

Stop hijacking this thread! You come by and take over a thread an completely start talking about off topic stuff. You have an axe to grind against FS1? Then go start your won thread.

You are the one who posted this hoping that it would happen so ESPN's reach gets hurt.

No I posted this because ESPNs owner selling its OTA property is a very big deal.

(10-13-2017 04:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  people here act like FS1 is close to being good. It's not- it's a long ways away. I'm realistic with it. There are things I watch on it quite frankly a lot. But it's got so far to go- to start with a lot more live sports rights. Until that happens, it's got no chance. Absolutely zero.

I'll use what folks said with the Big Ten as a good example. Folks here thought that it was a no brainer win for Fox. But reality is that ESPN is having an extremely good year with Big Ten football. And will always because they will get #1 choice of top game in half the weeks of the year. And it's not like it's picks 7-12 they get, it's 2,4,6,8,10,12. People here want to act like the Big Ten is saving FS1. Here's the Big Ten games on FS1 this year so far
Ohio St/Nebraska(tomorrow)
Nebraska/Illinois
Maryland/Minnesota
UCF/Maryland
N Illinois/Nebraska
Ohio/Purdue
Washington/Rutgers

Sorry but that's no saving for FS1 at all. Most all of the good Fox Big Ten games on Big Fox(as you would expect). What fox did was carve out more broadcast windows for Big Fox.

Stop hijacking this thread! You come by and take over a thread an completely start talking about off topic stuff. You have an axe to grind against FS1? Then go start your won thread.

You are the one who posted this hoping that it would happen so ESPN's reach gets hurt.

No I posted this because ESPNs owner selling its OTA property is a very big deal.

It's a rumor of a possible sale. Hardly a definite.. And probably highly unlikely.

And you showed yourself earlier. You WANT this to happen. You WANT ESPN to lose power.

FWIW, ESPN on ABC is technically the most successful paid programming in the history of television. ESPN may have to write a bigger check to ABC, but given that Disney doesn't even own 100% of ESPN (Hearst) then not much might change at all.

Disney might be getting a little ahead of itself with that Streaming service they want people to subscribe to as a revenue stream. Whose to say ABC can't do ABCSN just like NBC and CBS have done. FOX's SNs are a little different IMO, as you have FS1, FS2, and then the regional and sub regional SNs.

ESPN loses some leverage if it can't tie itself to O&O ABC stations

In today's market, ABC without a sports division is closer to the CW or WB than NBC, FOX, or CBS. That would make the value pretty low.

If there were a company out there that had a sports division that didn't threaten ESPN (like Facebook, Amazon, etc.) ABC could be a good acquisition. They could continue to get content from ESPN and the other networks. Cap Cities was a little $100 million company when they bought giant ABC. Facebook is sitting on a ton of cash.

Disney has tried putting its programs on ABC without success. Remember "The Wonderful World of Disney" on ABC? Nobody does. A few ABC programs do ok on The Disney Channel.

I bet AT&T would love to own ABC. Having 1 of the 4 OTA networks would complement the newly acquired Turner networks very well

Having said that Disney isn't going to sell. Would be a foolish decision for a giant media company to give away 1 of the 4 OTA golden tickets

(10-13-2017 02:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 01:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Raycom isn't OTA. OTA is CBS, NBC, Fox and ABC. If Disney doesn't own ABC it can't put it's "ESPN on ABC" games on ABC. ESPN owns those rights not ABC. The new owners COULD buy those rights if ESPN/Disney decide to sell them. If the new buyers don't want to spend as much as disney spent they are under no obligation to buy them. ESPN has been spending a ton on sports rights, that doesn't mean everyone is down to pay those high fees as we enter a new way of distributing and consuming television.

First ... your OTA definition is invented. There is more OTA than the big four. CW is also in nearly every media market in the country OTA for example. And the CW actually pays for high quality prime time content too (Penn & Teller Fool Us, Whose Line Is It Anyway, etc).

Second ... who do you think Raycom uses for OTA?! When I see ACC-RSN games in my media market (Anderson-Asheville-Greenville-Spartanburg) it comes on typically the following channels:
- WLOS (ABC) ... most often and typically 2/3 of the time
- WYCW (CW) ... next most often and nearly all the rest
- WSPA (CBS) ... from time to time
- FSN Carolinas (if the local OTAs didn't pick it up it ALWAYS ends up here)

IIRC it is a joint Tier 2 on the ACC with Fox Sports and Raycom, so that makes total sense. And by the time this goes away ... there'll be an ACC TV channel ... so what does it matter at that point? (And there will still be Raycom picking up leftover scraps I betcha).

I don't think there will be any leftover scraps. There isn't with the SEC, and it'd be the exact same thing.

The thing to remember about the SEC is that the SEC doesn't like Raycom. If the ACC does, then that's something different altogether. What could happen with Raycom is that it would be integrated with the new ACC channel, since the ACC seems to like Raycom. I just know that a lot of SEC fans never cared for Raycom, and the SEC listened to them.

the network needs the volume though. And they need the exclusivity to get the systems to take the channel(which is absolutely the #1 objective).

(10-13-2017 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  fair to say in the article now:
Update, 2:27 p.m.: A spokesperson said the rumors of a potential sale of ABC are “untrue.”

I think RG was talking a lot of hope here quite frankly. He wants desprately for ESPN to lose power.

Yeah because they would totally say if it was true right?

Like you do with your hatred of Fox Sports?

I don't hate Fox Sports. I just am not blindly in love with it like everyone else here is. People here want to act like it's the 2nd coming. And it's not. Not even remotely close. FS1 is far closer to CBSSN or NBCSN than it is ESPN. People here want to take weeks like this upcoming week for FS1 with the Yankees in the LCS and act like it's so close to ESPN. But it's not.

You are blindly in love with espn though.

(10-14-2017 03:20 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  fair to say in the article now:
Update, 2:27 p.m.: A spokesperson said the rumors of a potential sale of ABC are “untrue.”

I think RG was talking a lot of hope here quite frankly. He wants desprately for ESPN to lose power.

Yeah because they would totally say if it was true right?

Like you do with your hatred of Fox Sports?

I don't hate Fox Sports. I just am not blindly in love with it like everyone else here is. People here want to act like it's the 2nd coming. And it's not. Not even remotely close. FS1 is far closer to CBSSN or NBCSN than it is ESPN. People here want to take weeks like this upcoming week for FS1 with the Yankees in the LCS and act like it's so close to ESPN. But it's not.

You are blindly in love with espn though.

EXACTLY! This guy says that a channel with the MLB playoffs is closer to CBSSN? WTF?