Marshall is currently the highest ranked team by Sagarin and the Massey Composite. Not saying they are the best, just how the rankings sit after last week's games.

(10-09-2017 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:25 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Here's my attempt at ranking C-USA teams. I am using 6 different randomly selected statistic categories (PO - pass offense YPG, RO - run offense YPG, PS - points scored, PA - points allowed, PD - pass defense YPG, RD - run defense YPG) to produce a rating for each C-USA team, on basis of which I rank them. This ranking is absolutely non-authoritative, but, since I am the smartest, most modest, and overall nicest person in the world, everyone should just accept these as fact:

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#   Team     RATING ( PO  RO  PS  PA  PD  RD)
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1.  UTSA       27.5 ( 38  31  37  20   5  34)
2.  USM        49.2 ( 40  48  68  43  59  37)
3.  UNT        55.3 ( 25  28  21 107 112  39)
4.  Marshall   61.0 ( 59  96  97  18  59  37)
5.  FAU        61.8 (108  15  42  62  31 113)
6.  UAB        62.8 ( 96  37  47  88  24  85)
7.  MTSU       69.7 ( 49 112 114  58  51  34)
8.  WKU        70.0 ( 54 129 112  27  67  31)
9.  LaTech     70.2 ( 48  80  80  72  62  79)
10. FIU        88.0 ( 66  92 119  85  86  80)
11. Charlotte  96.0 (124  57 124  93  81  97)
12. ODU        96.5 (114  88  98 110  53 116)
13. Rice      103.3 (121  73 130 113 102  81)
14. UTEP      115.2 (123 124 127 123  75 119)

P.S. The lower the rating is the higher the team is ranked.

So, if a team beats you, you get to be ranked higher.... What a great formula.

I'll stick to watching them play, and using the eyeball test.

I fully explained my methodology. And since I am the most likeable, the wisest, the most well-behaved, and what's most important, the most modest, individual here, you should just accept it. Now, jokes aside, this may not be a correct or even reasonable ranking system. But it is objective in that it totally rules out subjectivity. Except, of course, I subjectively chose the methodology itself. But, after that, subjectivity had been fully removed.

(10-09-2017 07:50 PM)banker Wrote:  Marshall is currently the highest ranked team by Sagarin and the Massey Composite. Not saying they are the best, just how the rankings sit after last week's games.

Considering Massey at the beginning of the season has us winning a whopping 2 games and ranked 112 is crazy. I really do hate Sagarin and Massey as much as I hate KenPom for basketball.

(10-09-2017 07:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:25 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Here's my attempt at ranking C-USA teams. I am using 6 different randomly selected statistic categories (PO - pass offense YPG, RO - run offense YPG, PS - points scored, PA - points allowed, PD - pass defense YPG, RD - run defense YPG) to produce a rating for each C-USA team, on basis of which I rank them. This ranking is absolutely non-authoritative, but, since I am the smartest, most modest, and overall nicest person in the world, everyone should just accept these as fact:

Code:

#   Team     RATING ( PO  RO  PS  PA  PD  RD)
---------------------------------------------
1.  UTSA       27.5 ( 38  31  37  20   5  34)
2.  USM        49.2 ( 40  48  68  43  59  37)
3.  UNT        55.3 ( 25  28  21 107 112  39)
4.  Marshall   61.0 ( 59  96  97  18  59  37)
5.  FAU        61.8 (108  15  42  62  31 113)
6.  UAB        62.8 ( 96  37  47  88  24  85)
7.  MTSU       69.7 ( 49 112 114  58  51  34)
8.  WKU        70.0 ( 54 129 112  27  67  31)
9.  LaTech     70.2 ( 48  80  80  72  62  79)
10. FIU        88.0 ( 66  92 119  85  86  80)
11. Charlotte  96.0 (124  57 124  93  81  97)
12. ODU        96.5 (114  88  98 110  53 116)
13. Rice      103.3 (121  73 130 113 102  81)
14. UTEP      115.2 (123 124 127 123  75 119)

P.S. The lower the rating is the higher the team is ranked.

So, if a team beats you, you get to be ranked higher.... What a great formula.

I'll stick to watching them play, and using the eyeball test.

I fully explained my methodology. And since I am the most likeable, the wisest, the most well-behaved, and what's most important, the most modest, individual here, you should just accept it. Now, jokes aside, this may not be a correct or even reasonable ranking system. But it is objective in that it totally rules out subjectivity. Except, of course, I subjectively chose the methodology itself. But, after that, subjectivity had been fully removed.

While I applaud your effort, the results of your research leads me to believe their was a flaw in the metrics you chose to include.

Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

^ THIS! Right Guns? We absolutely agree on this!

ODU ain't givin' up! Only 3 out of the chase so far. Somebody needs to get hot if we want to make national noise.

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

Which is why 4 FBS wins over whomever still rules the roost till proven otherwise on the field. And I'll be the first concede the position should someone take us out, which is at least 50/50 in every game from here on out I'd say.

I do think it's funny there's a 15 point spread against ODU when we're not likely to score 15 at all :)

(10-09-2017 12:45 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:08 PM)banker Wrote:  I still wouldn't be convinced that they are a good team because wins are just as likely due to opponents weakness as your ability.

Isn't this true of all of Alabama and Clemson's wins the past three years too?

No. Those teams play several highly ranked opponents each year. They win those games because they have great players that execute at a high level, not because their opponents have lines that can't block, receivers that can't catch, or DBs that can't cover.

(10-09-2017 11:18 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

Which is why 4 FBS wins over whomever still rules the roost till proven otherwise on the field. And I'll be the first concede the position should someone take us out, which is at least 50/50 in every game from here on out I'd say.

I do think it's funny there's a 15 point spread against ODU when we're not likely to score 15 at all :)

Getting 15 absolutely makes ODU the pick of the weekend.

(10-10-2017 01:45 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:18 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

Which is why 4 FBS wins over whomever still rules the roost till proven otherwise on the field. And I'll be the first concede the position should someone take us out, which is at least 50/50 in every game from here on out I'd say.

I do think it's funny there's a 15 point spread against ODU when we're not likely to score 15 at all :)

Getting 15 absolutely makes ODU the pick of the weekend.

Did ya'll not see our defense verse FAU. Marshall will be able to run at will.

(10-10-2017 06:59 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:45 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:18 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

Which is why 4 FBS wins over whomever still rules the roost till proven otherwise on the field. And I'll be the first concede the position should someone take us out, which is at least 50/50 in every game from here on out I'd say.

I do think it's funny there's a 15 point spread against ODU when we're not likely to score 15 at all :)

Getting 15 absolutely makes ODU the pick of the weekend.

Did ya'll not see our defense verse FAU. Marshall will be able to run at will.

Well, let's hope that is the case because Litton couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a bass fiddle against Charlotte.

(10-10-2017 08:26 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 06:59 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:45 AM)herdfifteen Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:18 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:38 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ratings and rankings mean nothing to me. Results on the field do.

Which is why 4 FBS wins over whomever still rules the roost till proven otherwise on the field. And I'll be the first concede the position should someone take us out, which is at least 50/50 in every game from here on out I'd say.

I do think it's funny there's a 15 point spread against ODU when we're not likely to score 15 at all :)

Getting 15 absolutely makes ODU the pick of the weekend.

Did ya'll not see our defense verse FAU. Marshall will be able to run at will.

Well, let's hope that is the case because Litton couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a bass fiddle against Charlotte.

No problem. Just tell him to drop back in the pocket, wait 1 second then run straight ahead through the gaping hole for 15 yards.

ODU will make adjustments.

(10-10-2017 09:25 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  ODU will make adjustments.

When, they didn't against UNC, VA Tech or FAU.

(10-10-2017 12:47 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:25 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  ODU will make adjustments.

When, they didn't against UNC, VA Tech or FAU.

We didn't even make adjustments at half vs FAU. They only threw 4 passes in the entire second half yet our defense never changed.

(10-09-2017 05:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  1. North Texas (4)
Didn't play last week ... but UTSA lost to USM which was coming off a loss to North Texas ... Louisiana Tech lost to UAB ... Marshall won, but didn't set the world on fire in the process ... TCU and South Florida aren't in the conference anymore ... carry the seven ... Congratulations, Mean Green, you're the top team in CUSA!

2. Marshall (3)
A lot of people were expecting a much more comprehensive beatdown of the Niners, but it's CUSA: Expect the Unexpected, Unless The Unexpected Is Something Really Good Like a Media Contract Where Macedonian Fake News Producers Don't Have Second-Tier Rights. The Herd have been consistently producing and that's worth something in this topsy-turvy world of ours.

3. Florida Atlantic (5)
It's a nice turnaround for the Owls from getting smacked around by Navy to tearing apart ODU in the shadow of the world's largest Navy base. There's a joke about seamen to be had here, but I am far too classy to stoop to such levels. *snicker* ... seamen ...

4. Southern Miss (7)
Southern Miss has made a mess of the West. A Southern Mess, if you will. By beating then-unbeaten UTSA at their place, they've ensured that a) no CUSA team will get the NY6 bowl spot and b) the division standings might as well be determined by a Lotto popper.

5. UTSA (1)
A hard-fought and exciting game between two good teams. The Roadrunners could have firmed up control of the West, but it's OK because Rule One of West Division Fight Club is Don't be Rice or UTEP.

6. Louisiana Tech (2)
The Bulldogs lost to UAB ... I'm sorry, it's been 48 hours and I'm still wrapping my head around that one.

7. UAB (9)
And before anyone asks, the Blazers are not ahead of La. Tech because I take the whole season into account, so while it was undoubtedly a great win for a program that deserves nothing but great after all the crap they've dealt with, I still think the Bulldogs are (as of now) better. Boring explanation done with, I offer this as a peace offering.

Way to take it to those thatch-roofed cottages!

8. Middle Tennessee (8)
Delay the end of the world a week, the Blue Raiders handled FIU. Though suddenly that UAB game is looking pretty intriguing.

9. Western Kentucky (6)
Sure, they won, but in a decidedly unimpressive way against a decidedly unimpressive foe. If this keeps up, they'll be seeing red — and not just that Grimace-Elmo love child they call a mascot.

10. Old Dominion (10)
Didja see how the Florida Gators paid tribute to native son Tom Petty by singing "I Won't Back Down" before the fourth quarter? There's no organized effort at ODU, but a bunch of us have been singing "Free Falling" independently these days.

11. FIU (11)
The other cleat dropping? There aren't any easy wins on the schedule going forward. Though beating Tulane would be a nice F(I)U to the P6 Players.

12. Rice (12)
The Owls still have a win. But the chances of finding a playmate for it are growing dim.

13. Charlotte and UTEP (13/14)
You can probably make an argument for one being better than the other, but even after surprisingly competitive losses, they're both still winless and will almost certainly be stricken from the rolls of bowl-eligibility contenders next week. Too bad they don't play each other. They could stream it on Friendster.

This is my favorite ranking, by far.

(10-09-2017 08:19 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:25 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Here's my attempt at ranking C-USA teams. I am using 6 different randomly selected statistic categories (PO - pass offense YPG, RO - run offense YPG, PS - points scored, PA - points allowed, PD - pass defense YPG, RD - run defense YPG) to produce a rating for each C-USA team, on basis of which I rank them. This ranking is absolutely non-authoritative, but, since I am the smartest, most modest, and overall nicest person in the world, everyone should just accept these as fact:

Code:

#   Team     RATING ( PO  RO  PS  PA  PD  RD)
---------------------------------------------
1.  UTSA       27.5 ( 38  31  37  20   5  34)
2.  USM        49.2 ( 40  48  68  43  59  37)
3.  UNT        55.3 ( 25  28  21 107 112  39)
4.  Marshall   61.0 ( 59  96  97  18  59  37)
5.  FAU        61.8 (108  15  42  62  31 113)
6.  UAB        62.8 ( 96  37  47  88  24  85)
7.  MTSU       69.7 ( 49 112 114  58  51  34)
8.  WKU        70.0 ( 54 129 112  27  67  31)
9.  LaTech     70.2 ( 48  80  80  72  62  79)
10. FIU        88.0 ( 66  92 119  85  86  80)
11. Charlotte  96.0 (124  57 124  93  81  97)
12. ODU        96.5 (114  88  98 110  53 116)
13. Rice      103.3 (121  73 130 113 102  81)
14. UTEP      115.2 (123 124 127 123  75 119)

P.S. The lower the rating is the higher the team is ranked.

So, if a team beats you, you get to be ranked higher.... What a great formula.

I'll stick to watching them play, and using the eyeball test.

I fully explained my methodology. And since I am the most likeable, the wisest, the most well-behaved, and what's most important, the most modest, individual here, you should just accept it. Now, jokes aside, this may not be a correct or even reasonable ranking system. But it is objective in that it totally rules out subjectivity. Except, of course, I subjectively chose the methodology itself. But, after that, subjectivity had been fully removed.

While I applaud your effort, the results of your research leads me to believe their was a flaw in the metrics you chose to include.

Or it's incomplete data, since most of us have only played 5 games, and it will get more accurate with more data?

Winning takes care of any and all stats...you can be the best in defense. you can be the best on offense. you can be the best on turnovers. you can be the best in special team. Winning matters..more

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