(10-09-2017 11:34 AM)7 Wrote:  Hall

So if you're right the likely depth chart in 2018 at QB is:
Hall
Childers
Graham
Thompson
Santa

Only 3 QB's travel.

Again it's mind blowing, if Santa completes the pass to Blake in the end zone against SDSU, we win, we are ranked, his stats are 4TDs and 1 pick; he throws for 280 yards, and he is the next Chandler Harnish. That one play could have completely changed a career.

(10-09-2017 08:52 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  It seemed like an awfully quick hook for Santa. I wasn't surprised they used Childers given the rain and wind, but I was a little surprised they didn't try putting Santa in there in the 2nd half after the weather cleared some. We only scored 10 points in the entire second half and one of our touchdowns (can't remember which one) was set up by Kent State's fumble on a punt, just a lucky accident.

I couldn't watch the game but was following on my phone. It seemed really quick which was why I assumed he got hurt.

(10-09-2017 11:31 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:27 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:24 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:23 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The offense will have to move the ball some or the defense will get tired. Won't be able to just run the ball until forced to throw. And I doubt you'll be able to throw Santa in there for "instant offense" if he hasn't played all game, just because Childers hasn't done anything.

They’re going to be able to run the ball against every team left on their schedule.

They didn't run it very well against Kent, and their defense probably isn't any better than half the remaining teams on the schedule.

The weather made that a weird game. I’m not sure how much I would read into that. The offensive line pushed around SDSU the week before. They’ll be fine.

I mean, most of the second half it had stopped raining. It was still windy, but it's almost always windy at Huskie stadium.

(10-09-2017 11:21 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:14 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 10:57 AM)7 Wrote:  Santa’s thrown 3 picks on his last 5 attempts. Decision making was why he didn’t get the job out of camp. It has nothing to do with playing tight.

Santa throws a really nice deep ball, but that’s really about all he does well at this point.

With this defense the person who makes the least amount of mistakes should play.

With this defense, with this offensive scheme, and with a MAC schedule. You're right, let the defense win you games; that will work based on who we have left. The biggest issue with this comment is it is only valid if you believe decision making (a byproduct of inexperience) is not correctable. What Santa has is a huge part of the equation. Against Nebraska he made great decisions, but he was being criticized for being ineffective (until the drive to take back the lead).
My point is if you start Childers, don't go back to Santa. Ride that horse regardless of what he does. Don't do to Childers what you did with Santa. Instead Carey should do to Childers what he did with Graham, play him regardless of his performance. Tell him he is they guy, and have his back.

I tweeted this stat out yesterday:

In his career at NIU Drew Hare threw 6 INTs in 651 attempts. Santa’s thrown 5 in 94 attempts this season.

Now that’s totally fair to Santa because Hare was great at taking care of the ball, but you can’t do what Santa has been doing lately and expect to play.

I think you’re worrying too much about these guys being mentally fragile. Hare was in and out as a sophomore and he was fine. Maddie too. Do what is necessary to win the next game. Especially when you consider I don’t think any of these guys will be the QB next year.

Harnish threw 9 INTs his first year. Point is the only way he is going to get better is to play at this point. Pulling him after one pick against a bad MAC team won't allow him to do much. If we can't overcome one pick against KSU, Buffalo and a lot of the other MAC teams, we have other issues to worry about. Hopefully he watches A LOT of film and starts to learn quickly.

(10-09-2017 09:34 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:52 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  It seemed like an awfully quick hook for Santa. I wasn't surprised they used Childers given the rain and wind, but I was a little surprised they didn't try putting Santa in there in the 2nd half after the weather cleared some. We only scored 10 points in the entire second half and one of our touchdowns (can't remember which one) was set up by Kent State's fumble on a punt, just a lucky accident.

The rain stopped but not the wind....

This was a must win and RC decided he couldn't take a chance on Santa giving out more gifts (which was the only way KSU could score) and even then it wasn't a day to pass. If its sunny and calm I think Santa reappears.

I'm pretty sure Santa takes the first snap Saturday. After that....

No kidding. I think their punter had a 70 yard punt.

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(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:31 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:27 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:24 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:23 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The offense will have to move the ball some or the defense will get tired. Won't be able to just run the ball until forced to throw. And I doubt you'll be able to throw Santa in there for "instant offense" if he hasn't played all game, just because Childers hasn't done anything.

They’re going to be able to run the ball against every team left on their schedule.

They didn't run it very well against Kent, and their defense probably isn't any better than half the remaining teams on the schedule.

The weather made that a weird game. I’m not sure how much I would read into that. The offensive line pushed around SDSU the week before. They’ll be fine.

I mean, most of the second half it had stopped raining. It was still windy, but it's almost always windy at Huskie stadium.

It was a stupid ass pass that is why he got the hook after a stupid ass pass lost the sdsu game. Period.

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(10-09-2017 02:16 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:31 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:27 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:24 AM)7 Wrote:  They’re going to be able to run the ball against every team left on their schedule.

They didn't run it very well against Kent, and their defense probably isn't any better than half the remaining teams on the schedule.

The weather made that a weird game. I’m not sure how much I would read into that. The offensive line pushed around SDSU the week before. They’ll be fine.

I mean, most of the second half it had stopped raining. It was still windy, but it's almost always windy at Huskie stadium.

It was a stupid ass pass that is why he got the hook after a stupid ass pass lost the sdsu game. Period.

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So your saying the book is closed because of one bad pass? Think about this for a second; if he completes the pass to Blake in the end zone we win ; his stats for the game are 24-36: 280 yards; 4TDs; 1 Int. Would you still have the same opinion? 1 play!

(10-09-2017 05:18 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:16 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:31 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:27 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  They didn't run it very well against Kent, and their defense probably isn't any better than half the remaining teams on the schedule.

The weather made that a weird game. I’m not sure how much I would read into that. The offensive line pushed around SDSU the week before. They’ll be fine.

I mean, most of the second half it had stopped raining. It was still windy, but it's almost always windy at Huskie stadium.

It was a stupid ass pass that is why he got the hook after a stupid ass pass lost the sdsu game. Period.

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So your saying the book is closed because of one bad pass? Think about this for a second; if he completes the pass to Blake in the end zone we win ; his stats for the game are 24-36: 280 yards; 4TDs; 1 Int. Would you still have the same opinion? 1 play!

No. I'm more reasonable than that. On another post I suggested Santa get the next start. He really needs to stop making mistakes when he doesn't need to force the ball. I still think he gives us the best chance to win when we need to throw. Again though, these are very small sample sizes. These guys are all going to improve. It will be an interesting next 3 weeks.

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It sounds far fetched but if 7 is right and Hall is the QB next year; Graham gets and stays healthy this season; and Childers starts against Buffalo, takes care of the ball and we win, and continue to win; Santa may not see the field again. The good news is if this happens we are winning championships.

I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

(10-09-2017 05:41 PM)Djud Wrote:  It sounds far fetched but if 7 is right and Hall is the QB next year; Graham gets and stays healthy this season; and Childers starts against Buffalo, takes care of the ball and we win, and continue to win; Santa may not see the field again. The good news is if this happens we are winning championships.

So hard to talk about 2018 when next week is still undetermined but why not.

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(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

(10-09-2017 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

When Graham is healthy again he is going to play. Accept it and move on. None of our QBs are good.

(10-09-2017 06:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

When Graham is healthy again he is going to play. Accept it and move on. None of our QBs are good.

Well if graham starts again he should be fired on the spot.

(10-09-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

When Graham is healthy again he is going to play. Accept it and move on. None of our QBs are good.

Well if graham starts again he should be fired on the spot.

That's not accepting it, MD

(10-09-2017 06:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

When Graham is healthy again he is going to play. Accept it and move on. None of our QBs are good.

Blake and Tears may have a different opinion.

(10-09-2017 06:12 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:59 PM)Djud Wrote:  If your right; someone is the odd man out; I doubt Hall will play 2nd fiddle to Childers until he is a senior. Not sure Childers or Santa would stick around at 3rd/4th string; and we still have Graham for a year and a half; and Thompson supposedly passed up Childers at the end of camp.

But Graham clearly separated himself from every QB according to Carey and we saw how that panned out. I agree though , the numbers will be thinned out somewhat. It is mind numbing how devastatingly bad Carey handles the QB position. Somehow he has to find someone he can delegate these decisions to. This is one part of the job he either can't handle or decides not to handle

When Graham is healthy again he is going to play. Accept it and move on. None of our QBs are good.

Well if graham starts again he should be fired on the spot.

That's not accepting it, MD

Childers has a tremendous upside

If anything I think the QB play up to this point has proven Carey and the coaching staff out. It was not as clear cut as all the QB coaching gurus on here thought it was. At times it seemed that one of them had taken hold of the job only to give it back. IIRC, one poster said he heard (during summer camp) a coach yell at Santa after an interception and say something along the lines of don't just wing it. Seems like good advice that still needs to be reiterated.

Maybe we need a 3 headed monster. Graham in/near the redzone for his short passing game, Santa and Childers to share the rest of the field with Santa as the bomber and Childers the runner. LOL

(10-09-2017 05:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think more than just the INT it was clear Santa could not perform Saturday. You could tell he was doomed in that game. He could not even hold onto and grip the football. He can't play in those conditions. I think Childers is your QB next year. He has a huge upside

How can you tell when he only threw the ball once. And that one the ball flew just fine - to the wrong place but the pass didn't come out like he couldn't grip the ball.