I feel for G4 fans fighting n clawing to stay relevant.

(10-09-2017 04:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  AAC West Division might be better than the SEC East or the Big 10 West this year.

Sagarin puts the West below both, estimating that the difference between them and the SEC East is about as large as the difference between the SEC West and ACC Coastal.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWC tried the same scheme as the 7th AQ conference and they had a better trio at the top than the AAC. How did the cartel respond? By taking Utah and TCU and opening the door for BYU to go independent. Schools get promoted, not entire conferences. Look at the MWC and the Big East/AAC being demoted to G5 status.

This is what the AAC fanboys do not understand. I give the conference all the credit in the world for pushing to be the best and improve their lot, but anyone who thinks the cartel will see you as equals and eventually give you an auto-bid is delusional. If your goal is to expand your media deals and change your national perception then have at it, but the big boys and sports media will always see you as the little brother - does any UC fan think OSU will see them as legit competition, or Texas with UH, or UF/FSU with UCF/USF? And if you're trying to the G5 NY6 bid into a de facto AAC slot then have at it, but college football has too much parity to turn the last point into reality imo. We're not even a year removed from Western freaking Michigan from playing in the Cotton Bowl.

Look, I think any reasoned examination of the "P6" campaign would recognize that its a marketing campaign. The campaign does include an entire strategic plan full of steps designed to map a course toward becoming a power conference---but noticeably absent is any time table for accomplishing those steps and goals. The reality is there is very little chance of the AAC being accepted into the circle of the current power conferences---and there is zero chance of it happening anytime soon.

That said, there are many massive and valuable steps that exist between being a random homogeneous member of the G5 and entering the gates of the P5. Getting better TV exposure, better media earnings, better bowl opportunities, and better attendance (which translates into more revenue)----these are all stair steps forward toward the P6 goal that pay immediate divdends in the here now---even if they never result in getting into the P5 circle.

For instance, simply getting a guaranteed slot in a mid or even upper tier non-CFP bowl or a 6-8 million a team media deal would be a huge improvement in the conference's current state. I think these kinds of things are exactly the type of conference improvements the "P6 campaign" could conceivably help deliver.

(10-09-2017 05:14 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I feel for G4 fans fighting n clawing to stay relevant.

I feel sorry for people who are deluded into thinking they are better than what they, guess the MEAC should say they are FBS even though they are not. Take your meds and return to earth.


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NOTE - TO THOSE WITH THIN SKIN. FUN BANTER AT THOSE WHO SHOULD BE BOUGHT FOR WHAT THEIR WORTH AND THEN SELLING THEM FOR WHAT THEY THINK THEY WORTH.

Again, can someone tall me the which is better, being the tallest midget or tinniest giant? When compared to the P5, the AAC is still just the stepping stone coach conference.

Wake me up when any G4 conference has 3 ranked teams in any poll.

Yawn.

(10-09-2017 05:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:14 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I feel for G4 fans fighting n clawing to stay relevant.

I feel sorry for people who are deluded into thinking they are better than what they, guess the MEAC should say they are FBS even though they are not. Take your meds and return to earth.


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What do the following stats mean to you? 7-5, 7-7, 2-10, 7-5, 7-5, 4-8, 3-9, 2-10, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, 3-9.

That's the last 16 years of the glory of ISU's football seasons. Why even field a team?? Now I see why you are so upset at G5 teams who have pretty good programs. Heck, ISU should be jealous of mediocre G5 programs.

(10-09-2017 05:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:14 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I feel for G4 fans fighting n clawing to stay relevant.

I feel sorry for people who are deluded into thinking they are better than what they, guess the MEAC should say they are FBS even though they are not. Take your meds and return to earth.


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Funny from a ISU fan. Your national interest is about the same as FIU. You're clingy to Texas and Oklahoma coattails for 8 more years before they bolt.

(10-07-2017 09:30 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 09:16 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  It's not G5 or p5 , that is just propaganda
Technically it's really this
5 playoff conferences with autonomy
5 nonplayoff conferences

True. Maybe we should call them the Cartel, and the non-playoff conferences the "Blue Collar" conferences.

Maybe we should refer to the G5 conferences as the "SCC Group". G5 makes the conferences sound like second class citizens.

(10-09-2017 04:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  AAC West Division might be better than the SEC East or the Big 10 West this year.

Sagarin puts the West below both, estimating that the difference between them and the SEC East is about as large as the difference between the SEC West and ACC Coastal.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWC tried the same scheme as the 7th AQ conference and they had a better trio at the top than the AAC. How did the cartel respond? By taking Utah and TCU and opening the door for BYU to go independent. Schools get promoted, not entire conferences. Look at the MWC and the Big East/AAC being demoted to G5 status.

This is what the AAC fanboys do not understand. I give the conference all the credit in the world for pushing to be the best and improve their lot, but anyone who thinks the cartel will see you as equals and eventually give you an auto-bid is delusional. If your goal is to expand your media deals and change your national perception then have at it, but the big boys and sports media will always see you as the little brother - does any UC fan think OSU will see them as legit competition, or Texas with UH, or UF/FSU with UCF/USF? And if you're trying to the G5 NY6 bid into a de facto AAC slot then have at it, but college football has too much parity to turn the last point into reality imo. We're not even a year removed from Western freaking Michigan from playing in the Cotton Bowl.

They're the MWC fans of yesteryear.

It's cute they use all this P6 talk. In fact, I think is clever. But when each AAC school makes 5% of what former conference mate Rutgers will make in the B1G then reality hits. That and the fact they could have 4 teams ranked and only one will get the G5 slot and the other three will play in the "nobody cares Bowl". In the P5, you can get your champ in the CFP and another in a NY6 bowl. Your #3-5 will play in a bowl like the Citrus, Holiday, Alamo, Gator, Outback, etc. While the AAC has a lot of good things going for them and they're clearly the best G5 just like the MWC was the best nonAQ in the BCS era, at the end of the day, you get judged by the company, pay and bowls you get as a P5 rather than being the tallest midget. Expect some P5 programs to open their checkbooks at the end of the season.

(10-09-2017 06:57 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Wake me up when any G4 conference has 3 ranked teams in any poll.

Yawn.

Wake me up when the American sends a team to the Access Bowl.

SDSU says hi

(10-09-2017 06:57 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Wake me up when any G4 conference has 3 ranked teams in any poll.

Yawn.

If you wanna get technical, Miami/NIU/BG were all ranked at the same time late in the 2003 season...

(10-09-2017 06:57 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Wake me up when any G4 conference has 3 ranked teams in any poll.

Yawn.

Wake me up when you get a major bowl? Keep dreaming, or smoking crack, whatever it is that gives you those ideas.


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(10-09-2017 07:11 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:14 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I feel for G4 fans fighting n clawing to stay relevant.

I feel sorry for people who are deluded into thinking they are better than what they, guess the MEAC should say they are FBS even though they are not. Take your meds and return to earth.


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What do the following stats mean to you? 7-5, 7-7, 2-10, 7-5, 7-5, 4-8, 3-9, 2-10, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, 3-9.

That's the last 16 years of the glory of ISU's football seasons. Why even field a team?? Now I see why you are so upset at G5 teams who have pretty good programs. Heck, ISU should be jealous of mediocre G5 programs.

This thread is not about ISU, I live in a MW city.


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The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

The problem is twofold: The first one is that the AAC has the exact same problem that the Big east(Pre-Split) did: It was propped up by it's Basketball. Without that, you would be just another Conference.

The second one is Ego. There is no secret that 10 of the 12 (at the time) Schools reached out to the Big XII. If I am apart of the Brass at Tulsa, I do not trust the other Schools at all(I firmly believe that them and Navy were the only Two that did not even try. Navy would have go back to be Independent and Tulsa was just Screwed). Your Conference would have hung them out to dry like C-USA did to Southern Miss when everyone Bolted.

There was a reason that even the Basketball Conferences were laughing at you on this site last Bowl Season. I understand that you are trying to Market yourselves better. I get that, I really do. However the arrogance will haunt you in the end and all you will get is voicemails and no response.......

(10-10-2017 01:40 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

The problem is twofold: The first one is that the AAC has the exact same problem that the Big east(Pre-Split) did: It was propped up by it's Basketball. Without that, you would be just another Conference.

The second one is Ego. There is no secret that 10 of the 12 (at the time) Schools reached out to the Big XII. If I am apart of the Brass at Tulsa, I do not trust the other Schools at all(I firmly believe that them and Navy were the only Two that did not even try. Navy would have go back to be Independent and Tulsa was just Screwed). Your Conference would have hung them out to dry like C-USA did to Southern Miss when everyone Bolted.

There was a reason that even the Basketball Conferences were laughing at you on this site last Bowl Season. I understand that you are trying to Market yourselves better. I get that, I really do. However the arrogance will haunt you in the end and all you will get is voicemails and no response.......

So your points are that having good basketball is "bad" and having teams that aspire to larger paychecks (pursued Big12 membership) is also bad? I guess I'm going to say we simply disagree and leave it at that.

(10-10-2017 01:40 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

The problem is twofold: The first one is that the AAC has the exact same problem that the Big east(Pre-Split) did: It was propped up by it's Basketball. Without that, you would be just another Conference.

The second one is Ego. There is no secret that 10 of the 12 (at the time) Schools reached out to the Big XII. If I am apart of the Brass at Tulsa, I do not trust the other Schools at all(I firmly believe that them and Navy were the only Two that did not even try. Navy would have go back to be Independent and Tulsa was just Screwed). Your Conference would have hung them out to dry like C-USA did to Southern Miss when everyone Bolted.

There was a reason that even the Basketball Conferences were laughing at you on this site last Bowl Season. I understand that you are trying to Market yourselves better. I get that, I really do. However the arrogance will haunt you in the end and all you will get is voicemails and no response.......

I don't see how that is a problem. Every program that has a slight chance of moving us is thinking of moving up. If not then people are not doing their job. But here is the big difference with what is happening with the AAC and what happened with the Big East, opportunity. The power conferences had both an incentive and a need to expand.

Now, the Big 12 is the only conference that is not full but it's problem is lack of viable candidates. There is no Louisville or Utah on the board anymore. And nothing is wrong with UCF or USF but what do they really do for programs like Iowa State or Texas Tech? No one in the AAC has anywhere to go.

(10-10-2017 09:33 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:40 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

The problem is twofold: The first one is that the AAC has the exact same problem that the Big east(Pre-Split) did: It was propped up by it's Basketball. Without that, you would be just another Conference.

The second one is Ego. There is no secret that 10 of the 12 (at the time) Schools reached out to the Big XII. If I am apart of the Brass at Tulsa, I do not trust the other Schools at all(I firmly believe that them and Navy were the only Two that did not even try. Navy would have go back to be Independent and Tulsa was just Screwed). Your Conference would have hung them out to dry like C-USA did to Southern Miss when everyone Bolted.

There was a reason that even the Basketball Conferences were laughing at you on this site last Bowl Season. I understand that you are trying to Market yourselves better. I get that, I really do. However the arrogance will haunt you in the end and all you will get is voicemails and no response.......

I don't see how that is a problem. Every program that has a slight chance of moving us is thinking of moving up. If not then people are not doing their job. But here is the big difference with what is happening with the AAC and what happened with the Big East, opportunity. The power conferences had both an incentive and a need to expand.

Now, the Big 12 is the only conference that is not full but it's problem is lack of viable candidates. There is no Louisville or Utah on the board anymore. And nothing is wrong with UCF or USF but what do they really do for programs like Iowa State or Texas Tech? No one in the AAC has anywhere to go.

Nothing is going to do anything for programs like Texas Tech and ISU. FSU(yes, the Noles) and UF(yes, the Gators) can all join the Big 12, and TTech and ISU's trajectory will not change. ISU, while averaging 2-4 wins/year today, will continue to average 2-4 wins tomorrow. What would change is the exposure the top half of the conference would get by being in Florida. I would anticipate a bump in Florida recruiting for the top half. So getting a decent program in USF and UCF would improve the brand. Getting an invite out would also jump start the programs to even recruit at a higher level than what they are currently recruiting at (which is pretty good). This would also give them more coach stability.

Can one imagine UCF's ceiling with the coaching staff in place and not ripe for the picking by a P5 school?

Just my opinion for what its worth.

(10-10-2017 01:17 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:33 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:40 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

The problem is twofold: The first one is that the AAC has the exact same problem that the Big east(Pre-Split) did: It was propped up by it's Basketball. Without that, you would be just another Conference.

The second one is Ego. There is no secret that 10 of the 12 (at the time) Schools reached out to the Big XII. If I am apart of the Brass at Tulsa, I do not trust the other Schools at all(I firmly believe that them and Navy were the only Two that did not even try. Navy would have go back to be Independent and Tulsa was just Screwed). Your Conference would have hung them out to dry like C-USA did to Southern Miss when everyone Bolted.

There was a reason that even the Basketball Conferences were laughing at you on this site last Bowl Season. I understand that you are trying to Market yourselves better. I get that, I really do. However the arrogance will haunt you in the end and all you will get is voicemails and no response.......

I don't see how that is a problem. Every program that has a slight chance of moving us is thinking of moving up. If not then people are not doing their job. But here is the big difference with what is happening with the AAC and what happened with the Big East, opportunity. The power conferences had both an incentive and a need to expand.

Now, the Big 12 is the only conference that is not full but it's problem is lack of viable candidates. There is no Louisville or Utah on the board anymore. And nothing is wrong with UCF or USF but what do they really do for programs like Iowa State or Texas Tech? No one in the AAC has anywhere to go.

Nothing is going to do anything for programs like Texas Tech and ISU. FSU(yes, the Noles) and UF(yes, the Gators) can all join the Big 12, and TTech and ISU's trajectory will not change. ISU, while averaging 2-4 wins/year today, will continue to average 2-4 wins tomorrow. What would change is the exposure the top half of the conference would get by being in Florida. I would anticipate a bump in Florida recruiting for the top half. So getting a decent program in USF and UCF would improve the brand. Getting an invite out would also jump start the programs to even recruit at a higher level than what they are currently recruiting at (which is pretty good). This would also give them more coach stability.

Can one imagine UCF's ceiling with the coaching staff in place and not ripe for the picking by a P5 school?

Just my opinion for what its worth.

ISU already has access to the Great State of Texas. Do you really want the likes of K-State and ISU have access to Florida recruits? I'm not sure that would be beneficial to the U_F twins.

(10-10-2017 12:16 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with having depth in any G5 conference is that it actually HURTS you in the NY6 race. If I'm Aresco, do I really want 5-6 teams that can pull a nasty upset? Tulane and SMU improving to the point where they can scare a team is actually not good if you want to monopolize the NY6 bowl.

The key to getting into the NY6 bowl game is to be a very good team in a very bad division where nobody can touch you.

I think UCF actually has a real shot at a perfect record - and they have a profile that will be a little better than SDSU.

The system as-is does not reward conference strength at the G5 level.

The real goal behind P6 isn't P6. It's to build a tweener conference. It's going to take YEARS to achieve, but if you don't start now you're screwed.

How is it going to take years to achieve? It sure looks like the AAC is already a tweener conference. By nearly every measure, there is already separation between them and the #7 conference, the MWC.

The problem the AAC has is that there really isn't any path for them to reach parity with the top five conferences. Nobody is going to move down from those conferences voluntarily, and there aren't any G5 teams they could add that would move them up in stature. All they could hope for with expansion is further separation from the MWC.

And because they have the most brands who have the potential to get called up to the bigs, the only way they can move relative to the P5 is down. Unless there is some game-changing blockbuster disruption in the force, maintaining the status quo seems to be the most realistic goal. If they can do that - which was not a sure thing at the time of their last media negotiation - then maybe they get a few more bucks for already being a tweener.