(10-06-2017 08:51 PM)ken d Wrote: (10-06-2017 07:32 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: Because they do not have absolute guidelines to follow and are not accountable to a supreme being.
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Then why do some god-believers hold different moral values than other god-believers? And why can't atheists hold the same moral values as some god-believers? For that matter, how do you know which of the conflicting moral values god-believers, even adherents of the same religion, are the right ones?
All any of us can know are which moral values we believe in. And, of course, each of us believes our values are the "right" ones, or we wouldn't believe in them.
Because they are "buffet Christians". "I'll have a little of the forgiveness, a little of the Love Your God, but no thanks to the Love Thy Neighbor As Thy Self." If you come at the Bible from any denomination, you should come away with the same moral code as every other denomination, minus the mistakes OF the particular denominations.
For instance: Alcohol. I attend a Baptist church. I am a "Baptist" in membership, but not so much in philosophy. One of the tenants of The Southern Baptist Church is NO ALCOHOL WHAT SO EVER. But Jesus changed water into wine at the wedding. Now, I've sat in several services over my lifetime SMH over the pastor trying to explain to the congregation that "no, no, Jesus just turned that into grape juice." But the scripture says "Do not become drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit..." It doesn't say Do not drink wine. It says do not become DRUNK with wine.
So I see the Southern Baptist Convention as wrong on this detail. Pretty much the only think I think they got wrong. They are trying to put their own moral code on the Bible. But if you JUST READ THE BIBLE, you and everybody else (who just reads the Bible - instead of relying on their pastor or priest to tell them what to think) will arrive at a lot closer agreement to each other on a common moral code.
Is there something specific you can name that people of different outlooks (faith vs. atheism vs. agnostic) do not agree on?
I can think of one. Abortion. People who do not believe in God would have no reason to think of morality with regard to killing a baby before it has been born.
Damn... it's late. I'm rambling. We beat the CHIT Out of UConn tonight... Signing off.