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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 12:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 09:52 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 04:59 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The long and short of it was the ACC looked at UConn, West Virginia, and Louisville and whittled down the potential membership long before Maryland defected. What they found was that Virginia Tech and Pitt gave them most of the West Virginia peripheral markets, Boston College and Syracuse gave them a goodly portion of the UConn peripheral markets, and that Louisville gave them a new demographic and one that was complimentary to Notre Dame.

That's the long and short of it. So pontificating backwards into time serves no purpose because the reasoning would have been the same. Those with academic credentials that would also add value to the ACC were simply not there for the taking. So who would add value and fit within the ACC bipolar sports culture was the criteria. Enter data and you get Louisville.

You took them for that reason and the fact that you needed an outward sign of stability which Notre Dame certainly helped to provide too.

That's the end of this story. Louisville will suffer for their sins, but that does not change the fundamental reasons you took them.

Eh, it's a little more straightforward than that - UConn had broader support among the ACC schools, but without a GOR in place the Clemson/FSU duo had a figurative gun to the conference's head and used that leverage to insist on a football-focused school of their choice if they were going to sign a GOR and stabilize the conference. With the GOR now in place they no longer have that same leverage and are just a voice in the crowd, but they accomplished their goal and they've both won recent football NCs, so it worked out well. If there's another round of realignment the ACC will have to find a broad consensus rather than just grabbing the best football program, but that's likely to be a Big 12 school.

For what it's worth, Louisville isn't going anywhere - FSU and Clemson won't vote to kick them out for the same reasons they insisted on adding then, Miami won't vote to boot them because they don't want to set a precedent while ensnared in an investigation themselves, and the all you need is one more no vote to come from anywhere to sink it (probably UNC, with their whole academic fraud thing going on). Cards will be fine long-term.

LOL No they didn't.

And there were more schools than Clemson and FSU opposed to UConn.

Take it up with The Times. I can only go off of what news outlets report, guys on a message board don't mean anything.

Nah, I'm secure enough with what I was told by someone directly involved in the decision-making process at Clemson. They would know far more about it than some unconnected reporter trying to appease a segment of their demographic.

So a guy at Clemson supposedly told a Clemson fan that everyone agrees with Clemson? Shocking.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 12:35 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 12:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 09:52 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 04:59 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Eh, it's a little more straightforward than that - UConn had broader support among the ACC schools, but without a GOR in place the Clemson/FSU duo had a figurative gun to the conference's head and used that leverage to insist on a football-focused school of their choice if they were going to sign a GOR and stabilize the conference. With the GOR now in place they no longer have that same leverage and are just a voice in the crowd, but they accomplished their goal and they've both won recent football NCs, so it worked out well. If there's another round of realignment the ACC will have to find a broad consensus rather than just grabbing the best football program, but that's likely to be a Big 12 school.

For what it's worth, Louisville isn't going anywhere - FSU and Clemson won't vote to kick them out for the same reasons they insisted on adding then, Miami won't vote to boot them because they don't want to set a precedent while ensnared in an investigation themselves, and the all you need is one more no vote to come from anywhere to sink it (probably UNC, with their whole academic fraud thing going on). Cards will be fine long-term.

LOL No they didn't.

And there were more schools than Clemson and FSU opposed to UConn.

Take it up with The Times. I can only go off of what news outlets report, guys on a message board don't mean anything.

Nah, I'm secure enough with what I was told by someone directly involved in the decision-making process at Clemson. They would know far more about it than some unconnected reporter trying to appease a segment of their demographic.

So a guy at Clemson supposedly told a Clemson fan that everyone agrees with Clemson? Shocking.

No, a member of the Clemson BOT told a lifelong family friend leading up to the meeting that Clemson was going to oppose UConn but they expected UConn to be added anyway because the only schools he felt that would oppose UConn were Clemson, FSU, and BC. He said that contingency plans were in place because Clemson wasn't going to let the ACC destroy our football program by adding another black hole football program to the conference.

After the Louisville addition he told the same lifelong family friend that it was an unnecessary worry because there were far more members of the conference opposed to adding UConn than there were proponents.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 12:35 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 12:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 09:52 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  LOL No they didn't.

And there were more schools than Clemson and FSU opposed to UConn.

Take it up with The Times. I can only go off of what news outlets report, guys on a message board don't mean anything.

Nah, I'm secure enough with what I was told by someone directly involved in the decision-making process at Clemson. They would know far more about it than some unconnected reporter trying to appease a segment of their demographic.

So a guy at Clemson supposedly told a Clemson fan that everyone agrees with Clemson? Shocking.

No, a member of the Clemson BOT told a lifelong family friend leading up to the meeting that Clemson was going to oppose UConn but they expected UConn to be added anyway because the only schools he felt that would oppose UConn were Clemson, FSU, and BC. He said that contingency plans were in place because Clemson wasn't going to let the ACC destroy our football program by adding another black hole football program to the conference.

After the Louisville addition he told the same lifelong family friend that it was an unnecessary worry because there were far more members of the conference opposed to adding UConn than there were proponents.

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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 01:25 PM)Artifice Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...730771001/

Putting aside yet another incredible example of the crooked accounting within the Louisville Athletic Department, I couldn't help but chuckle at this quote.

"...the university is reviewing whether the Adidas money is tainted in the wake of a federal criminal complaint alleging that a company executive, sports agents and coaches conspired to pay top recruits to play for Adidas-sponsored schools."
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 12:35 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 12:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 09:52 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  LOL No they didn't.

And there were more schools than Clemson and FSU opposed to UConn.

Take it up with The Times. I can only go off of what news outlets report, guys on a message board don't mean anything.

Nah, I'm secure enough with what I was told by someone directly involved in the decision-making process at Clemson. They would know far more about it than some unconnected reporter trying to appease a segment of their demographic.

So a guy at Clemson supposedly told a Clemson fan that everyone agrees with Clemson? Shocking.

No, a member of the Clemson BOT told a lifelong family friend leading up to the meeting that Clemson was going to oppose UConn but they expected UConn to be added anyway because the only schools he felt that would oppose UConn were Clemson, FSU, and BC. He said that contingency plans were in place because Clemson wasn't going to let the ACC destroy our football program by adding another black hole football program to the conference.

After the Louisville addition he told the same lifelong family friend that it was an unnecessary worry because there were far more members of the conference opposed to adding UConn than there were proponents.

So Clemson let it be known that if they didn't get a football add they were out, and everyone let them have the add they wanted? That's not materially different to the official narrative you're disputing.
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(10-04-2017 06:53 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey, UNC pushed for WVU over sixty years ago!

I don't believe this, but maybe they did. I was always told the Triangle met in the dark with others and declared no need for WVU. Left 'em hanging with the Southern Conference bag.
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(10-04-2017 09:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I'm unfamiliar, but is there "beef" between ACC brass and West Virginia? WVU during the last cycle was a pretty strong candidate for a power conference. Football saw the program rise to top-10 levels under Rich Rodriguez, and top-25 levels under Bill Stewart. In Dana Holgerson's last season in the Big East, he went 10-3 and won the Orange Bowl. Basketball, since Bob Huggins took the reigns, was one of the top basketball programs in the Big East. Add in the power and influence of former AD, Oliver Luck, and it just seems odd that there wasn't a fit between the ACC/WVU.

Academics and prejudice; you have not spent much time in the heart of ACC country have you?
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 11:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:52 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm convinced that if the ACC had added UConn instead, Clemson and FSU would be gone by now (and possibly NC State and Va Tech as well).

Where were they going?

And, what kind of trouble is it going to cause within the faculty, alumni, and donor communities?

They weren't going anywhere. That annoying little fact gets in the way of Hokie's story.

The ACC wasn't so sure:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/sport...tions.html

"Most of the A.C.C.’s presidents wanted UConn, which has a much higher U.S. News ranking than Louisville. But two of the A.C.C.’s most important football programs, Florida State and Clemson, insisted on Louisville, whose football team was ranked 13th that year. Fearing that the two universities might leave the A.C.C., and thus diminish the value of its television contracts, the conference reluctantly opted for Louisville."

I believe this to be true.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 01:59 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:52 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm convinced that if the ACC had added UConn instead, Clemson and FSU would be gone by now (and possibly NC State and Va Tech as well).

Where were they going?

And, what kind of trouble is it going to cause within the faculty, alumni, and donor communities?

They weren't going anywhere. That annoying little fact gets in the way of Hokie's story.

The ACC wasn't so sure:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/sport...tions.html

"Most of the A.C.C.’s presidents wanted UConn, which has a much higher U.S. News ranking than Louisville. But two of the A.C.C.’s most important football programs, Florida State and Clemson, insisted on Louisville, whose football team was ranked 13th that year. Fearing that the two universities might leave the A.C.C., and thus diminish the value of its television contracts, the conference reluctantly opted for Louisville."

I believe this to be true.

BOOM. The ACC did not blackball UConn because of a lawsuit or to protect BC or any other conspiracy theory... it was about football, plain and simple.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 12:05 PM)Artifice Wrote:  Not following your logic at all. You're equating future monitoring with punishment for past misdeeds. Also, the SAACS only has two levers to pull, with accreditation being their version of the death penalty.

I can't speak for SAACS, but MSCHE pounced on a previous weak spot at a two-year school I used to work for. I worked for an administrator who was there for the last pass when they were warned, but cleared one of the fourteen criteria, and as the visits approached, it was known, partially because MSCHE kind of laid it out for us, that this one spot was going to be a big deal for them.

They came, we didn't pass that time, and we had two years to get into compliance. We did. On the next visit, who knows. Probably the spot where they'll go first. And, if the school hits a snag, it's back onto a multi-year correction period.

But, between those visits, there are years to get yourself back onto the right track. I apologize for making it muddy...I guess I just see the "lather, rinse, repeat" of accreditation visits and their punishment methods as glacial. Did UNC clear this with SAACS? No. BUT, they have some time before SAACS has a look at them again, and, what would they face? Another couple years of warning and a few more cycles of them hovering over the school about this?

My greater point is, SAACS pulled them off the ledge on their initial sweep, be it for now or for the foreseeable future, I don't know, but...I suspect UNC will use that in its defense, and the NCAA will have to consider this benchmark in its ruling. To that extent, I think this is where SAACS really let the greater issue down. Yeah, SAACS can either warn or pull...it could have waved its finger harder, if not kept the warnings coming. This is a big deal, but SAACS isn't necessarily making it look like it's as big a deal as maybe it should?
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 08:24 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:40 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:33 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  People not accepting the fact that the 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day Pitt was invited to the ACC.

I can assure you, it did not.
UConn screwed the pooch with the lawsuit and will have to live with the consequences.

How exactly can you assure me that the lawsuit excuse is still a valid excuse? I wait for your proof with baited breath.

I think the term you are stuck on is "Valid". ACC does not need it to be valid or not valid. You are not going to believe anything other than what you want. I stated hindsight UCONN probably was the better choice but unless you invent a time machine, UCONN and the ACC is extremely unlikely. If there is going to be another outpost, it will likely be in Texas. Sorry, you don't like the situation but UCONN and lawsuit will live together is part of ACC lore.

It only lives on as part of ACC lore because of that 2011 Blaudshun article, with quotes from the BC AD, that I've been assured, from "insiders" like yourself, was a steaming pile of monkey crap. So if that article is pure bunk then so is the narrative that the lawsuit is keeping UCONN out of the ACC.

DC1, I do actually have more ACC inside ties than you can imagine however I typically won't post them because I have been asked not too. I ususally try to state my opinion which is backed with confidence. Many times people construe them as fact which I will say sorry, these are my opinions and thoughts. I am not asking you to believe me or take it as fact. That would be like arguing with a stop sign. I admire your Don Quixote stand but the Knight of Mirrors will eventually meet you one day. Until then, keep after those windmills. Another one of my opinions, I love to send Syracuse and BC to the B12 or B10, add WVU and a Texas school to replace them. Bring in Navy football only if ND ever joins. ACC should good no further north than the Burg.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 01:59 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:52 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Where were they going?

And, what kind of trouble is it going to cause within the faculty, alumni, and donor communities?

They weren't going anywhere. That annoying little fact gets in the way of Hokie's story.

The ACC wasn't so sure:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/sport...tions.html

"Most of the A.C.C.’s presidents wanted UConn, which has a much higher U.S. News ranking than Louisville. But two of the A.C.C.’s most important football programs, Florida State and Clemson, insisted on Louisville, whose football team was ranked 13th that year. Fearing that the two universities might leave the A.C.C., and thus diminish the value of its television contracts, the conference reluctantly opted for Louisville."

I believe this to be true.

BOOM. The ACC did not blackball UConn because of a lawsuit or to protect BC or any other conspiracy theory... it was about football, plain and simple.

Agreed. UConn's football was sinking at a time when Louisville was having a banner year both in football and basketball.

If UConn can improve football, they stand a chance to change conferences in 2023-24. If they don't improve it, they will be exactly where they are now.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 02:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Agreed. UConn's football was sinking at a time when Louisville was having a banner year both in football and basketball.

If UConn can improve football, they stand a chance to change conferences in 2023-24. If they don't improve it, they will be exactly where they are now.

For the record, I'm pretty strongly of the opinion that that ship has sailed and UConn's only real options are going to be the American or the Big East (which I think is the best fan experience of any option, full stop, but that's another discussion). The ACC will either give Texas the Notre Dame treatment or just sit tight at 15 members with 14 in football.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 02:47 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 02:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Agreed. UConn's football was sinking at a time when Louisville was having a banner year both in football and basketball.

If UConn can improve football, they stand a chance to change conferences in 2023-24. If they don't improve it, they will be exactly where they are now.

For the record, I'm pretty strongly of the opinion that that ship has sailed and UConn's only real options are going to be the American or the Big East (which I think is the best fan experience of any option, full stop, but that's another discussion). The ACC will either give Texas the Notre Dame treatment or just sit tight at 15 members with 14 in football.

And, as discussed in other threads previously, the outcome of the upcoming AAC tv negotiations will have a big impact on UConn's view on the attractiveness of the Big East option.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-05-2017 02:25 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 08:24 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:40 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:33 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  I can assure you, it did not.
UConn screwed the pooch with the lawsuit and will have to live with the consequences.

How exactly can you assure me that the lawsuit excuse is still a valid excuse? I wait for your proof with baited breath.

I think the term you are stuck on is "Valid". ACC does not need it to be valid or not valid. You are not going to believe anything other than what you want. I stated hindsight UCONN probably was the better choice but unless you invent a time machine, UCONN and the ACC is extremely unlikely. If there is going to be another outpost, it will likely be in Texas. Sorry, you don't like the situation but UCONN and lawsuit will live together is part of ACC lore.

It only lives on as part of ACC lore because of that 2011 Blaudshun article, with quotes from the BC AD, that I've been assured, from "insiders" like yourself, was a steaming pile of monkey crap. So if that article is pure bunk then so is the narrative that the lawsuit is keeping UCONN out of the ACC.

DC1, I do actually have more ACC inside ties than you can imagine however I typically won't post them because I have been asked not too. I ususally try to state my opinion which is backed with confidence. Many times people construe them as fact which I will say sorry, these are my opinions and thoughts. I am not asking you to believe me or take it as fact. That would be like arguing with a stop sign. I admire your Don Quixote stand but the Knight of Mirrors will eventually meet you one day. Until then, keep after those windmills. Another one of my opinions, I love to send Syracuse and BC to the B12 or B10, add WVU and a Texas school to replace them. Bring in Navy football only if ND ever joins. ACC should good no further north than the Burg.

Fine, you win, you're a legitimate insider. But my point still stands and it appears you're confirming it.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
Let's just crunch some numbers shall we:

West Virginia's 2015-6 Total Gross Revenue was $105,140,368.

If that was placed against the Total Gross Revenues of the schools in the present ACC (including Notre Dame) West Virginia would have been the 4th largest grossing product behind 1. Notre Dame, 2. Florida State, 3. Louisville, and ahead of 5. Clemson.

But recently the WSJ set valuations for the economic impact of schools football teams. By those valuations West Virginia's assigned valuation of $72,049,000 would have placed them only above Duke and Wake Forest in the ACC.


Connecticut's 2015-6 Total Gross Revenue was $79,229,275.

They would have placed 12th in the present ACC (including Notre Dame) and ahead of Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, Boston College, and Wake Forest. And that would have been with the handicap of a low-balled TV contract.

Connecticut's WSJ valuation was $59,776,000 which would have placed only above Wake Forest in the ACC.

Louisville's Gross Total Revenue was third in the ACC and only out of 2nd place by 1 million dollars: $112,146,504, whereas Louisville's WSJ Valuation was $160,899,000 which would place them 8th in a 15 member ACC.

A schools Gross Total Revenue is illustrative of the School's earning potential. The WSJ valuation is illustrative of what the value of the school's brand is to others, like networks, advertising, and merchandise retailers. It is the impact economically that the school is projected to have.

When the impact valuation is lower than the total gross revenue you have a statement that the addition of that school is probably not feasible for those who pay for the brands and content of a conference since it is a negative indicator for the economic impact that the brand will carry for them as it relates to the total value of the collective conference members and the average conference member valuation.

To give you an idea of how important adding those schools who increase the projected valuation would be to the ACC. Mississippi State's total valuation would place them 6th in the current ACC behind Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami.

The ACC is dead last in its economic impact if you don't count Notre Dame. They just nudge out the PAC if you do count the Irish in the group totals.

SEC: $7,327,830,000 SEC Average per school: $523,416,428
B1G: $5,820,481,000 B1G Average per school: $415,748,643
B12: $3,764,333,000 B12 Average per school: $376,433,300
ACC: $3,410,313,000 ACC Average per school: $227,354,200 (with N.D.)
PAC: $3,045,197,000 PAC Average per school: $253,766,417 (higher than ACC w/ND)
ACC: $2,553,375,000 ACC Average per school: $182,383,929 (without N.D.)

So with N.D. the ACC technically has a collective valuation higher than the PAC but that is only because the ACC has 15 schools and the PAC has 12 if you count N.D.

The PAC per school average is higher.

What this illustrates is that without N.D. the ACC's valuation would have lagged all others by quite a bit. Note that N.D.'s presence in full increases the average ACC schools valuation by 45 million dollars per school.

This clearly indicates that why N.D. even as a partial is so valuable to the ACC. Notre Dame's part time presence increases even the valuations of the ACC schools without being considered fully. Otherwise the average valuation of $182,383,929 would be a tad lower.

So adding either W.V.U. or Connecticut would only detract from the average valuation of the ACC. Louisville increased it.

That's why Louisville was added, and why they aren't likely to be booted.

It's also partly why the Big 12 is still alive. Only Texas and Oklahoma add to the value of the SEC and Big 10. They still add even if O.S.U. and T.T.U. are taken. But O.S.U. and T.T.U. don't add to either the SEC's or B1G's bottom line (academics not being considered to their detriment). So if OU and UT don't go to the Big 10 or SEC where they would earn the most by quite a bit, then they have an Officer and a Gentlemen's moment, "I got nowhere else to go!" Hence the survival of the Big 12.
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(10-05-2017 05:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This clearly indicates that why N.D. even as a partial is so valuable to the ACC. Notre Dame's part time presence increases even the valuations of the ACC schools without being considered fully. Otherwise the average valuation of $182,383,929 would be a tad lower.

So adding either W.V.U. or Connecticut would only detract from the average valuation of the ACC. Louisville increased it.

That's why Louisville was added, and why they aren't likely to be booted.

It's also partly why the Big 12 is still alive. Only Texas and Oklahoma add to the value of the SEC and Big 10. They still add even if O.S.U. and T.T.U. are taken. But O.S.U. and T.T.U. don't add to either the SEC's or B1G's bottom line (academics not being considered to their detriment). So if OU and UT don't go to the Big 10 or SEC where they would earn the most by quite a bit, then they have an Officer and a Gentlemen's moment, "I got nowhere else to go!" Hence the survival of the Big 12.

Excellent analysis. It kind of confirms what we all kind of figured - regarding the Big 12, it exists at the pleasure of Texas and Oklahoma. They are the 900 and 800 pound gorillas surrounded by a bunch of 100 pound monkeys. Anyone who says schools like Kansas or Oklahoma State are valuable to anyone else are kidding themselves. They aren't even valuable to Texas and Oklahoma, save in the sense that those two need at least 8 other warm bodies to make a conference, and they are the warmest stiffs available.

It also tells us that why the ACC has done some very un-ACC like things the last few years, like admit an athletic mercenary like Louisville and permit a partial affiliation in Notre Dame: Their value is inherently low, so they were desperate.

And I know, ACC fans will say "well, this is our value before the ACCN kicks in", and that's true. But wake me up when the ACCN kicking in results in a substantial boosts to those values.
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(10-04-2017 11:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If UConn is locked out of the ACC, then what is their end-goal? The B1G (without AAU membership)? A new revamped Big 12? I sincerely doubt it is the American in present form. What about Cincinnati? What is their end-goal?

There is no end goal. It is what it is. We need a conference to keep competing in college athletics. The American is not ideal but we don't have any better alternatives. We're not going to shut down or drop any sports.
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(10-05-2017 02:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 02:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 01:59 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:52 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  They weren't going anywhere. That annoying little fact gets in the way of Hokie's story.

The ACC wasn't so sure:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/sport...tions.html

"Most of the A.C.C.’s presidents wanted UConn, which has a much higher U.S. News ranking than Louisville. But two of the A.C.C.’s most important football programs, Florida State and Clemson, insisted on Louisville, whose football team was ranked 13th that year. Fearing that the two universities might leave the A.C.C., and thus diminish the value of its television contracts, the conference reluctantly opted for Louisville."

I believe this to be true.

BOOM. The ACC did not blackball UConn because of a lawsuit or to protect BC or any other conspiracy theory... it was about football, plain and simple.

Agreed. UConn's football was sinking at a time when Louisville was having a banner year both in football and basketball.

If UConn can improve football, they stand a chance to change conferences in 2023-24. If they don't improve it, they will be exactly where they are now.

This is what believe. If football starts getting back into the top 25 there is a chance a P5 conference will come calling but that's certainly not guaranteed. If football stays where it's been, then we just make the best of our current situation.
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