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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  So just who is the guy in the picture?
Stan Wilcox, FSU AD.
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(10-04-2017 02:29 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Are all the Louisville games on in Cincinnati?

We'll discuss when I get ESPN 3 and can watch ACC football. Rimshot

Actually, in Philly, you can find EVERY West Virginia football game. Most of the Big XII. Most of the Big Ten.
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(10-04-2017 02:51 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  So just who is the guy in the picture?
Stan Wilcox, FSU AD.

Thank you.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 01:56 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In life there are 3 kinds of people you will meet. Two of them are at the extremes. You will meet people who immediately despise you, or maybe even hate you. You will meet people who are immediately enamored of you, or maybe even believe they love you. And you will meet a lot of people who acknowledge you and take their time figuring out who you are before they form an opinion about you one way or the other.

Thank God that the majority is the latter, because both of the aforementioned groups that immediately form an opinion about you to the extreme will be the most likely to one day demand your execution. Those that hate you right away probably always will, and those who love you right away will hate you with intense venom the moment you don't meet their expectations, and nobody is ever able to meet their expectations in perpetuity.

So you have to love threads like this one. Louisville was immediately loved by the ACC for being the ultimate replacement for Maryland. But on the fringe of the move were the wait and see folks. Those that hated the idea were more afraid of further defections and needed to plug the hole immediately. Those that loved them saw a football and basketball rising star. And now that they have proven to be fallible everyone but those who had a wait and see attitude is angered and wants to lynch them.

The old adage is hindsight is 20/20. In this case it's more like heiny sight. Now that Louisville has some egg on its face their detractors (haters/ex lovers) will make the situation even worse by acting like the complete rumps they've always been.

The long and short of it was the ACC looked at UConn, West Virginia, and Louisville and whittled down the potential membership long before Maryland defected. What they found was that Virginia Tech and Pitt gave them most of the West Virginia peripheral markets, Boston College and Syracuse gave them a goodly portion of the UConn peripheral markets, and that Louisville gave them a new demographic and one that was complimentary to Notre Dame.

That's the long and short of it. So pontificating backwards into time serves no purpose because the reasoning would have been the same. Those with academic credentials that would also add value to the ACC were simply not there for the taking. So who would add value and fit within the ACC bipolar sports culture was the criteria. Enter data and you get Louisville.

You took them for that reason and the fact that you needed an outward sign of stability which Notre Dame certainly helped to provide too.

That's the end of this story. Louisville will suffer for their sins, but that does not change the fundamental reasons you took them.

Honestly the ACC picked Louisville that is great for them, I don't hate them or anything.

But I don't get what you mean by peripheral markets. If I wanted to watch a BC or Syracuse game in Hartford, I probably couldn't, maybe a Clemson or FSU game would be national

What are you talking about? ACC regional games are broadcast in CT. Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame radio stations reach into CT.

Doesn't NESN and YES go into CT? Local OTA TV stations from Boston, Albany, Springfield, Hartford and NYC blanket CT.

You can thank Cuse, BC and Notre Dame for this.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 03:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:56 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In life there are 3 kinds of people you will meet. Two of them are at the extremes. You will meet people who immediately despise you, or maybe even hate you. You will meet people who are immediately enamored of you, or maybe even believe they love you. And you will meet a lot of people who acknowledge you and take their time figuring out who you are before they form an opinion about you one way or the other.

Thank God that the majority is the latter, because both of the aforementioned groups that immediately form an opinion about you to the extreme will be the most likely to one day demand your execution. Those that hate you right away probably always will, and those who love you right away will hate you with intense venom the moment you don't meet their expectations, and nobody is ever able to meet their expectations in perpetuity.

So you have to love threads like this one. Louisville was immediately loved by the ACC for being the ultimate replacement for Maryland. But on the fringe of the move were the wait and see folks. Those that hated the idea were more afraid of further defections and needed to plug the hole immediately. Those that loved them saw a football and basketball rising star. And now that they have proven to be fallible everyone but those who had a wait and see attitude is angered and wants to lynch them.

The old adage is hindsight is 20/20. In this case it's more like heiny sight. Now that Louisville has some egg on its face their detractors (haters/ex lovers) will make the situation even worse by acting like the complete rumps they've always been.

The long and short of it was the ACC looked at UConn, West Virginia, and Louisville and whittled down the potential membership long before Maryland defected. What they found was that Virginia Tech and Pitt gave them most of the West Virginia peripheral markets, Boston College and Syracuse gave them a goodly portion of the UConn peripheral markets, and that Louisville gave them a new demographic and one that was complimentary to Notre Dame.

That's the long and short of it. So pontificating backwards into time serves no purpose because the reasoning would have been the same. Those with academic credentials that would also add value to the ACC were simply not there for the taking. So who would add value and fit within the ACC bipolar sports culture was the criteria. Enter data and you get Louisville.

You took them for that reason and the fact that you needed an outward sign of stability which Notre Dame certainly helped to provide too.

That's the end of this story. Louisville will suffer for their sins, but that does not change the fundamental reasons you took them.

Honestly the ACC picked Louisville that is great for them, I don't hate them or anything.

But I don't get what you mean by peripheral markets. If I wanted to watch a BC or Syracuse game in Hartford, I probably couldn't, maybe a Clemson or FSU game would be national

What are you talking about? ACC regional games are broadcast in CT. Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame radio stations reach into CT.

Doesn't NESN and YES go into CT? Local OTA TV stations from Boston, Albany, Springfield, Hartford and NYC blanket CT.

You can thank Cuse, BC and Notre Dame for this.

Yeah you're probably right. I'm not a huge baseball guy.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 03:54 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 03:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:56 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In life there are 3 kinds of people you will meet. Two of them are at the extremes. You will meet people who immediately despise you, or maybe even hate you. You will meet people who are immediately enamored of you, or maybe even believe they love you. And you will meet a lot of people who acknowledge you and take their time figuring out who you are before they form an opinion about you one way or the other.

Thank God that the majority is the latter, because both of the aforementioned groups that immediately form an opinion about you to the extreme will be the most likely to one day demand your execution. Those that hate you right away probably always will, and those who love you right away will hate you with intense venom the moment you don't meet their expectations, and nobody is ever able to meet their expectations in perpetuity.

So you have to love threads like this one. Louisville was immediately loved by the ACC for being the ultimate replacement for Maryland. But on the fringe of the move were the wait and see folks. Those that hated the idea were more afraid of further defections and needed to plug the hole immediately. Those that loved them saw a football and basketball rising star. And now that they have proven to be fallible everyone but those who had a wait and see attitude is angered and wants to lynch them.

The old adage is hindsight is 20/20. In this case it's more like heiny sight. Now that Louisville has some egg on its face their detractors (haters/ex lovers) will make the situation even worse by acting like the complete rumps they've always been.

The long and short of it was the ACC looked at UConn, West Virginia, and Louisville and whittled down the potential membership long before Maryland defected. What they found was that Virginia Tech and Pitt gave them most of the West Virginia peripheral markets, Boston College and Syracuse gave them a goodly portion of the UConn peripheral markets, and that Louisville gave them a new demographic and one that was complimentary to Notre Dame.

That's the long and short of it. So pontificating backwards into time serves no purpose because the reasoning would have been the same. Those with academic credentials that would also add value to the ACC were simply not there for the taking. So who would add value and fit within the ACC bipolar sports culture was the criteria. Enter data and you get Louisville.

You took them for that reason and the fact that you needed an outward sign of stability which Notre Dame certainly helped to provide too.

That's the end of this story. Louisville will suffer for their sins, but that does not change the fundamental reasons you took them.

Honestly the ACC picked Louisville that is great for them, I don't hate them or anything.

But I don't get what you mean by peripheral markets. If I wanted to watch a BC or Syracuse game in Hartford, I probably couldn't, maybe a Clemson or FSU game would be national

What are you talking about? ACC regional games are broadcast in CT. Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame radio stations reach into CT.

Doesn't NESN and YES go into CT? Local OTA TV stations from Boston, Albany, Springfield, Hartford and NYC blanket CT.

You can thank Cuse, BC and Notre Dame for this.

Yeah you're probably right. I'm not a huge baseball guy.

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(10-04-2017 09:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I'm unfamiliar, but is there "beef" between ACC brass and West Virginia?

I come from ACC territory so let me give this a wack: The ACC's problem with WVU has never been based on a specific issue, like UConn filing a lawsuit against them. It's cultural. The ACC, particularly the Carolina-Virginia core, has long had an elitist attitude. They have wanted to be viewed nationally as enlightened and progressive. And part of that is looking down their noses at schools like WVU, which they regard as an uncouth, backwards, "mountain" school. A wrong view, IMO, but i think that's the stereotype the ACC has of WVU.

ACC schools have always craved the respect of elite northern institutions, and they fear that northern schools tend to lump everything south of the Mason-Dixon line together in one undesirable bag. So they taken pains to avoid rubbing elbows with deep south schools (the SEC), and also schools they perceive as being backwoods/backwards, like WVU.

LSU is “ACC territory”?
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(10-04-2017 11:56 AM)penguino Wrote:  
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(10-04-2017 10:20 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Was Rutgers ever mentioned as a possible expansion candidate for the ACC? They were always mentioned as a B1G target.

Some talk of Cuse and Rutgers in 2009-10 time period as a pair but Rutgers frankly was not seriously considered. The ACC wasn't built off cable boxes.

The 2011 invite was always Syracuse (pay back for 2003 fiasco) and one other school.

Anyone who has ever paid attention to realignment knows that RU was always a target for the B1G and is where RU wanted to be. In fact, if not for Nebraska making itself available, RU would have been in instead.

Rutgers was never seriously considered by the ACC because they knew one of two things would happen, and both would embarrass the ACC:

1. If they invited Rutgers, RU would accept and then bolt as soon as the B1G invite came.
2. If they invited them, RU could have said no (not likely, but if the B1G came along at the same time.....or later, see #1)

RU has been on the path to B1G membership since the mid 90's, anyone who denies it is just being intellectually dishonest.

I disagree 100%.
it was shocking when Rutgers got in big 10 . My family back home in Iowa was shocked. What a dumb move for the big ten
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 04:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 09:42 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I'm unfamiliar, but is there "beef" between ACC brass and West Virginia?

I come from ACC territory so let me give this a wack: The ACC's problem with WVU has never been based on a specific issue, like UConn filing a lawsuit against them. It's cultural. The ACC, particularly the Carolina-Virginia core, has long had an elitist attitude. They have wanted to be viewed nationally as enlightened and progressive. And part of that is looking down their noses at schools like WVU, which they regard as an uncouth, backwards, "mountain" school. A wrong view, IMO, but i think that's the stereotype the ACC has of WVU.

ACC schools have always craved the respect of elite northern institutions, and they fear that northern schools tend to lump everything south of the Mason-Dixon line together in one undesirable bag. So they taken pains to avoid rubbing elbows with deep south schools (the SEC), and also schools they perceive as being backwoods/backwards, like WVU.

LSU is “ACC territory”?

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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The long and short of it was the ACC looked at UConn, West Virginia, and Louisville and whittled down the potential membership long before Maryland defected. What they found was that Virginia Tech and Pitt gave them most of the West Virginia peripheral markets, Boston College and Syracuse gave them a goodly portion of the UConn peripheral markets, and that Louisville gave them a new demographic and one that was complimentary to Notre Dame.

That's the long and short of it. So pontificating backwards into time serves no purpose because the reasoning would have been the same. Those with academic credentials that would also add value to the ACC were simply not there for the taking. So who would add value and fit within the ACC bipolar sports culture was the criteria. Enter data and you get Louisville.

You took them for that reason and the fact that you needed an outward sign of stability which Notre Dame certainly helped to provide too.

That's the end of this story. Louisville will suffer for their sins, but that does not change the fundamental reasons you took them.

Eh, it's a little more straightforward than that - UConn had broader support among the ACC schools, but without a GOR in place the Clemson/FSU duo had a figurative gun to the conference's head and used that leverage to insist on a football-focused school of their choice if they were going to sign a GOR and stabilize the conference. With the GOR now in place they no longer have that same leverage and are just a voice in the crowd, but they accomplished their goal and they've both won recent football NCs, so it worked out well. If there's another round of realignment the ACC will have to find a broad consensus rather than just grabbing the best football program, but that's likely to be a Big 12 school.

For what it's worth, Louisville isn't going anywhere - FSU and Clemson won't vote to kick them out for the same reasons they insisted on adding then, Miami won't vote to boot them because they don't want to set a precedent while ensnared in an investigation themselves, and the all you need is one more no vote to come from anywhere to sink it (probably UNC, with their whole academic fraud thing going on). Cards will be fine long-term.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
In defense of adding Louisville it accomplished a few things:

1. It kept them away from the Big 12
2. If adding UConn was enough to set off Florida St and Clemson it could have blown up the entire conference. The Big 12 was courting them hard and was hoping to possibly add others to form an eastern wing. If Florida St and Clemson are the first to move it would have led to the SEC and Big Ten declaring open season. The Big Ten would aim for the AAU schools while the SEC would try to achieve their goal of an inroad into VA and NC. In the end it might be WF and a few others that UConn would be joining.
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(10-04-2017 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In defense of adding Louisville it accomplished a few things:

1. It kept them away from the Big 12
2. If adding UConn was enough to set off Florida St and Clemson it could have blown up the entire conference. The Big 12 was courting them hard and was hoping to possibly add others to form an eastern wing. If Florida St and Clemson are the first to move it would have led to the SEC and Big Ten declaring open season. The Big Ten would aim for the AAU schools while the SEC would try to achieve their goal of an inroad into VA and NC. In the end it might be WF and a few others that UConn would be joining.

Yea, I've been convinced those four pro rata slots the Big 12 had from ESPN/Fox were intended for FSU/Clemson and eventually UNC/Duke. FSU/Clemson had a temporary window where they had functional veto power over any addition, and they used it to get the add they wanted even if it wasn't the most popular selection. It makes sense.
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(10-04-2017 05:29 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In defense of adding Louisville it accomplished a few things:

1. It kept them away from the Big 12
2. If adding UConn was enough to set off Florida St and Clemson it could have blown up the entire conference. The Big 12 was courting them hard and was hoping to possibly add others to form an eastern wing. If Florida St and Clemson are the first to move it would have led to the SEC and Big Ten declaring open season. The Big Ten would aim for the AAU schools while the SEC would try to achieve their goal of an inroad into VA and NC. In the end it might be WF and a few others that UConn would be joining.

Yea, I've been convinced those four pro rata slots the Big 12 had from ESPN/Fox were intended for FSU/Clemson and eventually UNC/Duke. FSU/Clemson had a temporary window where they had functional veto power over any addition, and they used it to get the add they wanted even if it wasn't the most popular selection. It makes sense.

I think Florida St and Clemson are the two obvious ones that they would have gotten.

The Big Ten would be going for the pool including UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, and non-AAU BC. I think they go with the first 4 but they might take just 2.

The SEC grabs VT and NC St.

Big 12 options for companion schools to go with Clemson and Florida St include Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Cuse, and BC. Grab 4 and you have 16. Should the Big Ten leave more options behind you could grab from that group too.
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(10-04-2017 05:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 05:29 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In defense of adding Louisville it accomplished a few things:

1. It kept them away from the Big 12
2. If adding UConn was enough to set off Florida St and Clemson it could have blown up the entire conference. The Big 12 was courting them hard and was hoping to possibly add others to form an eastern wing. If Florida St and Clemson are the first to move it would have led to the SEC and Big Ten declaring open season. The Big Ten would aim for the AAU schools while the SEC would try to achieve their goal of an inroad into VA and NC. In the end it might be WF and a few others that UConn would be joining.

Yea, I've been convinced those four pro rata slots the Big 12 had from ESPN/Fox were intended for FSU/Clemson and eventually UNC/Duke. FSU/Clemson had a temporary window where they had functional veto power over any addition, and they used it to get the add they wanted even if it wasn't the most popular selection. It makes sense.

I think Florida St and Clemson are the two obvious ones that they would have gotten.

The Big Ten would be going for the pool including UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, and non-AAU BC. I think they go with the first 4 but they might take just 2.

The SEC grabs VT and NC St.

Big 12 options for companion schools to go with Clemson and Florida St include Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Cuse, and BC. Grab 4 and you have 16. Should the Big Ten leave more options behind you could grab from that group too.


Big 10 wanted dibs on the top ACC schools. They wanted Florida State and Clemson.

Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Virginia are tv ratings gold. Virginia Tech and NC State to the SEC. The rest do not have the tv ratings to justified for SEC and Big 10 to expand with.

Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse Louisville are stuck in a no-mans land. Big 12 was interested in Miami with Florida State, Georgia Tech and Clemson, but they drugged their feet. I just do not see any value with Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest since it is football that is driving the realignment. Duke does not have a history as a blue blood football team, and with a small stadium?
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I will say Louisville was the better Athletic choice at the time when the ACC picked them. However there is a 99% chance everything Louisville did in Basketball and Football was with cheating, they just ooze cheating. So now that they have been caught and will have to recruit players without cheating.... what will they be? There is no way they can cheat to get players after this. So now they are stuck doing something they probably haven't had to do in a decade. Recruit a player without hookers or money being an option.
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(10-04-2017 11:04 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
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(10-04-2017 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You missed the point entirely: It doesn't matter who technically filed papers or whatever, what matters is public perception, and the public perception at the time and now was that UConn was the school most publicly identified with the lawsuit. That's why people have to be reminded that Pitt and others were actually part of it, because nobody remembers that. But everyone remembers UConn, because UConn was most in front of the cameras complaining about the ACC.

Hey, when the lawsuit happened, i had zero skin in the game, USF wasn't involved in any way shape or form. But as a neutral observer, that's what I remember - the lawsuit was "UConn's lawsuit against the ACC", that's how it was perceived, and that's how it has resonated with the ACC.

Spot on!

Especially with the Connecticut AG leading the charge. That really linked UConn with the lawsuit moreso than the other plaintiffs.

Yeah, sorry, but the 2003 lawsuit excuse is dead and buried. Thanks Pitt (and Va. Tech).

Several posters - both affiliated with ACC schools and not - have tried to help you with this, but you seem to be deaf to incoming: The bottom line is that for the reasons given, namely UConn's lead public role in the lawsuit, the fact that Pitt was invited to the ACC even though they too were a party to the suit by no means indicates that the lawsuit issue is dead when it comes to UConn.

As TexanMark put it, UConn "made it personal" in a way that Pitt and others didn't. Sorry about that. 07-coffee3

I'm not the one that "needs help". Spin it however you like, I've got the facts on my side and you don't.

The lawsuit excuse is dead and buried. Deal with it.
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(10-04-2017 02:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(10-04-2017 11:02 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Yes...hey, didn't VTech sue also back in '03?

It was Blumenthal you need to blame...he made it personal.

Blumenthal didn't make it any more personal with the ACC than Pitt did. Blumenthal made it more personal with BC by suing AD Gene DeFilippo and Father Leahy.

The reason UConn made it more personal with BC is that at a Big East meeting concerning ACC expansion candidates, Gene DeFilippo shook everyone's hand and looked them all in the eye and promised that BC was not leaving for the ACC. A few days later, they were gone.

Back then, we all didn't know that realignment was going to become such a huge thing and that former conference members shouldn't take it personally. BC leaving was at the start of modern conference realignment and UConn, in hindsight, overreacted. UConn was annoyed with BC's deceit after Connecticut just dropped $100 million on a new stadium. When those events are put in context, all of the ACC members should understand where UConn was coming from back then. It is water under the bridge. The only one who may be still mad is BC (and Gene DeFilippo is long gone). What BC doesn't get is that they would get more eyeballs and have more success if UConn was also in the ACC. Nobody will care about ACC sports anywhere in New England (not even in Boston) unless UConn is invited. The BC-UConn rivalry based on pure hatred is a thing of beauty.

UCONN and Blumenthal took a gamble and it bombed. Not blaming them for trying but many in the ACC still remember state of CT was the face of the law suit. Too many are still alive in the ACC office that remember. Swofford does not like to be challenged publically. As long as he is alive, he will influence the ACC after he retires. When he does retire, the next commissioner will likely be pro football.

Personally, my money is on this man to be Swofford's replacement when he retires.
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I will continue to say this and it doesn't matter what you or JRsec (who's very wrong about the reach of 'Cuse and BC re: UCONN) think and/or say.......The 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day the ACC invited Pitt.

No amount of spin will change that fact. Deal with it.

Deal with what, exactly?

People not accepting the fact that the 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day Pitt was invited to the ACC.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 02:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 02:01 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:33 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Blumenthal didn't make it any more personal with the ACC than Pitt did. Blumenthal made it more personal with BC by suing AD Gene DeFilippo and Father Leahy.

The reason UConn made it more personal with BC is that at a Big East meeting concerning ACC expansion candidates, Gene DeFilippo shook everyone's hand and looked them all in the eye and promised that BC was not leaving for the ACC. A few days later, they were gone.

Back then, we all didn't know that realignment was going to become such a huge thing and that former conference members shouldn't take it personally. BC leaving was at the start of modern conference realignment and UConn, in hindsight, overreacted. UConn was annoyed with BC's deceit after Connecticut just dropped $100 million on a new stadium. When those events are put in context, all of the ACC members should understand where UConn was coming from back then. It is water under the bridge. The only one who may be still mad is BC (and Gene DeFilippo is long gone). What BC doesn't get is that they would get more eyeballs and have more success if UConn was also in the ACC. Nobody will care about ACC sports anywhere in New England (not even in Boston) unless UConn is invited. The BC-UConn rivalry based on pure hatred is a thing of beauty.

UCONN and Blumenthal took a gamble and it bombed. Not blaming them for trying but many in the ACC still remember state of CT was the face of the law suit. Too many are still alive in the ACC office that remember. Swofford does not like to be challenged publically. As long as he is alive, he will influence the ACC after he retires. When he does retire, the next commissioner will likely be pro football.

Personally, my money is on this man to be Swofford's replacement when he retires.
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I will continue to say this and it doesn't matter what you or JRsec (who's very wrong about the reach of 'Cuse and BC re: UCONN) think and/or say.......The 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day the ACC invited Pitt.

No amount of spin will change that fact. Deal with it.

Deal with what, exactly?

People not accepting the fact that the 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day Pitt was invited to the ACC.

I can assure you, it did not.
UConn screwed the pooch with the lawsuit and will have to live with the consequences.
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
What if the the ACC Would have gone to 14 back in 2005? Pitt and Syracuse go too. This just leaves WVU, Rutgers, and the newly FBS UConn program in the Big East. Those 3 could either trudge on as independents or join C-USA or the MAC for football.

MAC EAST: UConn, Rutgers, Temple, Buffalo, Marshall, Ohio, Akron, Kent St
MAC WEST: BG, Toledo, Miami, Ball St, NIU, EMU, CMU, WMU

C-USA: Houston, Tulane, USM, UAB, Memphis, Louisville, Cincy, WVU, ECU, USF, UCF, Army and possibly nonfootball Charlotte, St. Louis, DePaul, Marquette

Nonfootball Big East: WVU, Rutgers, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, St John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Notre Dame (possibly the Midwestern Catholics from C-USA?)
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RE: "West Virginia or UConn would have been a better choice."
(10-04-2017 07:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 07:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 02:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 02:01 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 01:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  UCONN and Blumenthal took a gamble and it bombed. Not blaming them for trying but many in the ACC still remember state of CT was the face of the law suit. Too many are still alive in the ACC office that remember. Swofford does not like to be challenged publically. As long as he is alive, he will influence the ACC after he retires. When he does retire, the next commissioner will likely be pro football.

Personally, my money is on this man to be Swofford's replacement when he retires.
[Image: e1f764d7-stan-660x1024.jpg]

I will continue to say this and it doesn't matter what you or JRsec (who's very wrong about the reach of 'Cuse and BC re: UCONN) think and/or say.......The 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day the ACC invited Pitt.

No amount of spin will change that fact. Deal with it.

Deal with what, exactly?

People not accepting the fact that the 2003 lawsuit excuse died the day Pitt was invited to the ACC.

I can assure you, it did not.
UConn screwed the pooch with the lawsuit and will have to live with the consequences.

How exactly can you assure me that the lawsuit excuse is still a valid excuse? I wait for your proof with baited breath.
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