(09-20-2017 05:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:20 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why a few of you want to escalate this discussion to go after the poster(s). Regardless...

I want to "drink the koolaid" on the Access bowl because it's a huge deal. Biggest payout for the university for any sporting event ever. Biggest stage for football ever. Huge for recruiting, attendance, budget. Furthermore...

If you look at how Utah and TCU played themselves into the P5, those BCS bowls were a big part of it. It's also how Boise got on the map. Those 3 were the only non P6 with multiple BCS appearances. Two of them are now in the P5. The P5 is probably a pipe-dream for us. But I don't see any chance without some NY bowl success as part of our resume. So is it...

The closest we will ever get to a NC in football? How I wish that weren't true. But barring P5 inclusion, it's fact. You can say all the what-ifs that you want. But how many times since the BCS era, has a non-power school played for a NC in football? Zero. 44 teams have played for a NC in that time frame. None of them from outside the establishment. When you have 5 major conferences + ND vying for 4 playoff spots, they ain't letting us in, folks. Even if it came down to the last week and we're set to go, there would be some finagling with that final poll and we would end up #5. That leaves the Access as our top prize...

Best route to the Access = go undefeated with 1 big OOC win. That's it. If anyone in the AAC goes 13-0 with a single P5 win, they are in. Heck, if we go 12-1 we likely beat out any other G5 conference winner at 13-0. Having a second P5 win will not change that one bit. Our conference is recognized as the top G5 conf and there's a decent gap. So our conf SOS will be enough to move us above any other G5 OOC SOS.

Take the emotion out and give me facts that counter any of this.

Right now if Memphis beats USF for the conference title & SDSU goes undefeated, SDSU likely gets the NYD access bowl bid with 2 P5 wins. They are way ahead of us now & we won't pass them.

If both are undefeated (SDSU won't be) what would you like to bet on that!?! I guarantee if Memphis were to beat a ranked USF in the AAC Championship, especially if any other AAC teams are ranked this season, we will get the nod. I will be just about anything on that fact.

(09-20-2017 06:31 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:20 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why a few of you want to escalate this discussion to go after the poster(s). Regardless...

I want to "drink the koolaid" on the Access bowl because it's a huge deal. Biggest payout for the university for any sporting event ever. Biggest stage for football ever. Huge for recruiting, attendance, budget. Furthermore...

If you look at how Utah and TCU played themselves into the P5, those BCS bowls were a big part of it. It's also how Boise got on the map. Those 3 were the only non P6 with multiple BCS appearances. Two of them are now in the P5. The P5 is probably a pipe-dream for us. But I don't see any chance without some NY bowl success as part of our resume. So is it...

The closest we will ever get to a NC in football? How I wish that weren't true. But barring P5 inclusion, it's fact. You can say all the what-ifs that you want. But how many times since the BCS era, has a non-power school played for a NC in football? Zero. 44 teams have played for a NC in that time frame. None of them from outside the establishment. When you have 5 major conferences + ND vying for 4 playoff spots, they ain't letting us in, folks. Even if it came down to the last week and we're set to go, there would be some finagling with that final poll and we would end up #5. That leaves the Access as our top prize...

Best route to the Access = go undefeated with 1 big OOC win. That's it. If anyone in the AAC goes 13-0 with a single P5 win, they are in. Heck, if we go 12-1 we likely beat out any other G5 conference winner at 13-0. Having a second P5 win will not change that one bit. Our conference is recognized as the top G5 conf and there's a decent gap. So our conf SOS will be enough to move us above any other G5 OOC SOS.

Take the emotion out and give me facts that counter any of this.

Right now if Memphis beats USF for the conference title & SDSU goes undefeated, SDSU likely gets the NYD access bowl bid with 2 P5 wins. They are way ahead of us now & we won't pass them.

If both are undefeated (SDSU won't be) what would you like to bet on that!?! I guarantee if Memphis were to beat a ranked USF in the AAC Championship, especially if any other AAC teams are ranked this season, we will get the nod. I will be just about anything on that fact.

I'd like to think so & it would speak volumes for the strength of the AAC but I have my doubts. Already several publications are predicting SDSU to the access bowl. And Memphis is currently ranked 31st if you believe the votes, SDSU 22nd. And if both go undefeated, I just don't see us passing SDSU. Some considerations are the UCLA vs Stanford game this week. It will place value on the SDSU win over Stanford or the Memphis win over UCLA, depending upon who wins. Also USF had a tough time with San Jose St early & looked less than great against Stony Brook, that benefits SDSU & if USF loses along the way (they do have to play UH), it further erodes an eventual win over USF, even if USF wins the east. Sorry but your guarantees can't guarantee a Memphis access bowl bid, especially considering SDSU already has their 2 P5 victories & a fairly predictable schedule the rest of the way with an eventual championship game against BSU which won't hurt their ranking.

(09-20-2017 04:38 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 04:32 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 04:31 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 04:25 PM)3601 Wrote:  I think Boise has done it better than anybody and they've made it to the Fiesta Bowl three times. Their OOC opponents those seasons:

2006 Sacramento St., Oregon State, Wyoming, Utah
2009 Oregon, Miami-Ohio, BGSU, UC-Davis
2014 olemiss, UL-Lafatette, UConnn, BYU

Each of those three seasons they played only one P5 school.

BYU counts as a P5 for me, but don't want to have that argument again.

Fiesta Bowl in '14 was #21 Boise vs. #11 Arizona. Why is that a big deal?

And '06 and '09 were a pre-bowl playoff and pre-P5, so a different universe. BCS is dead.

Which P5 conference is BYU in now? With all of the realignment it's hard for me to keep up.

3601, we have had this debate many times already. The Big 12 and Pac 12 and ACC all consider BYU a P5 for scheduling purposes. Google it if you don't believe me.

So they aren't actually members of a P5 conference?

(09-20-2017 06:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 06:31 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:20 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why a few of you want to escalate this discussion to go after the poster(s). Regardless...

I want to "drink the koolaid" on the Access bowl because it's a huge deal. Biggest payout for the university for any sporting event ever. Biggest stage for football ever. Huge for recruiting, attendance, budget. Furthermore...

If you look at how Utah and TCU played themselves into the P5, those BCS bowls were a big part of it. It's also how Boise got on the map. Those 3 were the only non P6 with multiple BCS appearances. Two of them are now in the P5. The P5 is probably a pipe-dream for us. But I don't see any chance without some NY bowl success as part of our resume. So is it...

The closest we will ever get to a NC in football? How I wish that weren't true. But barring P5 inclusion, it's fact. You can say all the what-ifs that you want. But how many times since the BCS era, has a non-power school played for a NC in football? Zero. 44 teams have played for a NC in that time frame. None of them from outside the establishment. When you have 5 major conferences + ND vying for 4 playoff spots, they ain't letting us in, folks. Even if it came down to the last week and we're set to go, there would be some finagling with that final poll and we would end up #5. That leaves the Access as our top prize...

Best route to the Access = go undefeated with 1 big OOC win. That's it. If anyone in the AAC goes 13-0 with a single P5 win, they are in. Heck, if we go 12-1 we likely beat out any other G5 conference winner at 13-0. Having a second P5 win will not change that one bit. Our conference is recognized as the top G5 conf and there's a decent gap. So our conf SOS will be enough to move us above any other G5 OOC SOS.

Take the emotion out and give me facts that counter any of this.

Right now if Memphis beats USF for the conference title & SDSU goes undefeated, SDSU likely gets the NYD access bowl bid with 2 P5 wins. They are way ahead of us now & we won't pass them.

If both are undefeated (SDSU won't be) what would you like to bet on that!?! I guarantee if Memphis were to beat a ranked USF in the AAC Championship, especially if any other AAC teams are ranked this season, we will get the nod. I will be just about anything on that fact.

I'd like to think so & it would speak volumes for the strength of the AAC but I have my doubts. Already several publications are predicting SDSU to the access bowl. And Memphis is currently ranked 31st if you believe the votes, SDSU 22nd. And if both go undefeated, I just don't see us passing SDSU. Some considerations are the UCLA vs Stanford game this week. It will place value on the SDSU win over Stanford or the Memphis win over UCLA, depending upon who wins. Also USF had a tough time with San Jose St early & looked less than great against Stony Brook, that benefits SDSU & if USF loses along the way (they do have to play UH), it further erodes an eventual win over USF, even if USF wins the east. Sorry but your guarantees can't guarantee a Memphis access bowl bid, especially considering SDSU already has their 2 P5 victories & a fairly predictable schedule the rest of the way with an eventual championship game against BSU which won't hurt their ranking.

If Memphis and SDSU were both undefeated it would probably come down to SOS.

If UCLA finished well and USF were undefeated before losing to Memphis then Memphis would probably get it. if Stanford finished well and Boise were 11-1 before losing to SDSU then SDSU would probably get it.

Right now the AAC looks much better on paper than the MWC.

SDSU plays Boise 2x this year, so they won't be playing a 11-1 team in their CG.

I will be honest and say I think they lose to Air Force this weekend and the discussion becomes moot.

Just for comparisons sake, the access bowl recipient played the following OOC.

2014 Boise State - Ole Miss (Neutral), BYU, @ UCONN, UL-Lafayette (Finished #20)
2015 Houston - Tennessee Tech, @ Louisville, Texas STate, Vanderbilt (Finished #18)
2016 Western Michigan - @ Northwestern, NCCU, @Illinois, Georgia Southern (Finished #15)

(09-21-2017 03:36 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Just for comparisons sake, the access bowl recipient played the following OOC.

2014 Boise State - Ole Miss (Neutral), BYU, @ UCONN, UL-Lafayette (Finished #20)
2015 Houston - Tennessee Tech, @ Louisville, Texas STate, Vanderbilt (Finished #18)
2016 Western Michigan - @ Northwestern, NCCU, @Illinois, Georgia Southern (Finished #15)

And each of those access bowl participants played 2 P5 schools (notwithstanding the debate about BYU who is recognized by several P5 conferences as a P5 equivalent school & who is recognized as a P5 level independent by ESPN by virtue of their TV contract).

No other conference has ever supplanted the AAC in the Access slot with a team with an equal or less winning record.

The Selection Committee uses much more than AP rankings. Another tool is Sagarin. This week we are the highest rated G5 at 33, and SDSU is 42. They also use RPI SOS. We are currently at 118, while SDSU is at 140. Their SOS will not gain any on us in conference play either, because the AAC is rated significantly higher than the MWC.

It's pretty obvious to me that the only way a conference champ other than the AAC conference champ makes the Access is by having a better overall record of at least one more win, and it may take 2 more wins.

(09-21-2017 04:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No other conference has ever supplanted the AAC in the Access slot with a team with an equal or less winning record.

The Selection Committee uses much more than AP rankings. Another tool is Sagarin. This week we are the highest rated G5 at 33, and SDSU is 42. They also use RPI SOS. We are currently at 118, while SDSU is at 140. Their SOS will not gain any on us in conference play either, because the AAC is rated significantly higher than the MWC.

It's pretty obvious to me that the only way a conference champ other than the AAC conference champ makes the Access is by having a better overall record of at least one more win, and it may take 2 more wins.

We'll see, that theory may well be tested this season. If USF doesn't start showing some flair in its wins against a weak schedule, both USF & Memphis will find themselves behind SDSU in the polls & it will be very difficult to overcome. A lot may depend on how UCLA, ASU & Stanford wind up over the rest of the season, the UH vs USF game, & Memphis' ability to be consistently good (undefeated).

Usf has a great chance going undefeated...schedule is cupcake city.

(09-22-2017 10:21 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  Usf has a great chance going undefeated...schedule is cupcake city.

Temple is bad this year, but it's their qb deal. If they get one of those guys to settle down, they could win some games. USF has penalty problems in spades.

(09-22-2017 10:29 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:21 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  Usf has a great chance going undefeated...schedule is cupcake city.

Temple is bad this year, but it's their qb deal. If they get one of those guys to settle down, they could win some games. USF has penalty problems in spades.

I think USF has to go to Houston. That & UCF should be their only stiff tests before meeting us in the championship game.

46,291 came to the ucla game. I can tell around the city that there is absolutely no buzz about this game tonight. So how many will show up tonight?

We are undefeated with a big win over ucla and the weather will nicer than the ucla game.

If playing top quality opponents doesn't matter as some argue in this thread, there should be just as many fans at the LB tonight.

Must I continue to remind u Dudes, we have to play the toughest ooc schedule possible. Forget about demanding home and home, we might get it with a Indiana or Illinois, but we need P5 programs from other conferences than the sec, although I'd like to see us play lsu and kentucky.
BTW the same coach built P5 programs at Miami and lewisville and he did it by playing tough ooc programs

(09-23-2017 11:41 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Must I continue to remind u Dudes, we have to play the toughest ooc schedule possible. Forget about demanding home and home, we might get it with a Indiana or Illinois, but we need P5 programs from other conferences than the sec, although I'd like to see us play lsu and kentucky.
BTW the same coach built P5 programs at Miami and lewisville and he did it by playing tough ooc programs

What conferences were Miami and Louisville in when Shnellenberger coached them?

(09-23-2017 10:40 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  46,291 came to the ucla game. I can tell around the city that there is absolutely no buzz about this game tonight. So how many will show up tonight?

We are undefeated with a big win over ucla and the weather will nicer than the ucla game.

If playing top quality opponents doesn't matter as some argue in this thread, there should be just as many fans at the LB tonight.

41,584 was attendance last night. The weather was better. It was on Saturday night and not a day game with 90 degree heat. We are winning and riding momentum with the win over ucla. It was also homecoming which will bring more students and their family. So why did almost 5000 less fans come to the game?

Because we played a smaller conference opponent ?

If we had played ole miss or another big conference school, it would have been packed last night.

Still I was happy with the attendance. I was worried 35000 or less would come.

41K for siu is fantastic, let's hope we keep those figures climbing.
Not sure about the conference. I think lewisville may have been metro, possibly Miami too, but could of been independent.
Why does that matter, in both cases they were playing tough opponents.

(09-24-2017 09:04 AM)memphisike Wrote:  41K for siu is fantastic, let's hope we keep those figures climbing.
Not sure about the conference. I think lewisville may have been metro, possibly Miami too, but could of been independent.
Why does that matter, in both cases they were playing tough opponents.

Because this is DECADES past those teams and times. It ISN'T the formula anymore.

I guess we can go back and relive these same arguments again and again and see who is right.

As I was scolded on MULTIPLE occasions that a P5 team would draw a MUCH bigger audience than ANY G5 of FCS team could... yeah, because 47,000 is SOOOOOO much bigger than 41, 000!?!!!

Yeah, I moved back to capital letters, exclamation points and smilies because I'm so that I was, once again, proven correct and mindless trolls were proven wrong.

Why we have to listen to people that don't have the best interest of the program, probably don't even go to games and have such a limited perspective of this team boggles the mind.

Tigernole, u r such a tool. Just admit u were wrong and move on. The opponent does effect attendance and last night proved it. Everthing was in favor of a larger crowd except the opponent.

(09-24-2017 09:25 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Tigernole, u r such a tool. Just admit u were wrong and move on. The opponent does effect attendance and last night proved it. Everthing was in favor of a larger crowd except the opponent.

Wait... how am I wrong?! I said that the opponent is NOT the biggest factor in attendance, unless it is ole miss or ut? Last night proved that I was right.

I won't even begin to count the ways you are a tool, but nice try.