(09-15-2017 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so cute that you think that FS1 and FS2 can just cherry pick their slots. Sorry but doesn't work that way. It's not ESPNU's fault that FS2 only has shown 2 games the entire season.

and even using your moronic head to head thing- the 4 games that ESPN has gone head to head with FS1-
ESPN 2.445 million avg
FS1 952k avg

Head to head is the best example by far. It's the decision watchers are making at that time.

(09-15-2017 10:52 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so cute that you think that FS1 and FS2 can just cherry pick their slots. Sorry but doesn't work that way. It's not ESPNU's fault that FS2 only has shown 2 games the entire season.

and even using your moronic head to head thing- the 4 games that ESPN has gone head to head with FS1-
ESPN 2.445 million avg
FS1 952k avg

Head to head is the best example by far. It's the decision watchers are making at that time.

Head to head just shows what games are on at the time. It's not ESPNU's fault that FS2 has shown only 2 games in 2 weeks. You can't ignore the other 6 games that were on ESPNU that were FBS. Oh and big shock- FS2 with 0 games this week. GTFO saying that ESPNU and FS2 are equal- because they aren't.

Fox can't just say we'll compete here only- and think that all the other times for the other networks are ignored. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

and anyways- FS1's schedule this year similar to what they had last year- and it's down from last year on FS1 year to year.

But yet Fox's Muhvall wants to send out tweets saying that Fox/FS1 is up by 127%. yeah dumb **** it is- but that's because instead of only 1 gmae on Big Fox you had 5 this year. Hardly apples to apples.

(09-15-2017 10:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I see Georgia's ratings were strong...

GO IRISH !!!!!!

(09-15-2017 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:52 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so cute that you think that FS1 and FS2 can just cherry pick their slots. Sorry but doesn't work that way. It's not ESPNU's fault that FS2 only has shown 2 games the entire season.

and even using your moronic head to head thing- the 4 games that ESPN has gone head to head with FS1-
ESPN 2.445 million avg
FS1 952k avg

Head to head is the best example by far. It's the decision watchers are making at that time.

Fox can't just say we'll compete here only- and think that all the other times for the other networks are ignored. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

Yeah let's just use an average that doesn't factor in time of day. Real honest analysis of who is watching.

well the 4 head to heads between FS1 and ESPN ESPN is beating them head to head by 257%. Shows just how far FS1 has got to go.

And doesn't still mitigate that the year to year for FS1- this year FS1 is down by about 5% compared to FS1 last year. With a similar schedule.

(09-15-2017 11:37 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I see Georgia's ratings were strong...

GO IRISH !!!!!!

1 thing about the Oklahoma/Ohio St game that just saw- the game was the highest rated non opening week September game in 6 years on ABC. Just looking- that game was Oklahoma/Florida St.

Saturday
Noon EST
ESPN Oklahoma State at Pittsburgh 1.56 m
FS1 Northern Illinois at Nebraska 808k

1st off the number is actually 1.567 to 808k.

So the gap is "only" 194% instead of 257% head to head this time.

And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

(09-20-2017 11:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

well during the fall, it's football season and you show football.

Love how it's always some excuse for FS1.

(09-20-2017 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

well during the fall, it's football season and you show football.

Love how it's always some excuse for FS1.

MLB in the fall is just as important as college football. Especially next month.

(09-20-2017 12:08 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

well during the fall, it's football season and you show football.

Love how it's always some excuse for FS1.

MLB in the fall is just as important as college football. Especially next month.

Not on Saturday's. Last year was a once in a lifetime thing with the Cubs. Fox's problem IMO is how they have so much other crap like UFC, NASCAR, and Golf that they're showing rather than football. ESPN has the best set up because ESPN 2 is a viable option as a secondary channel and so they can show the US Open there easily and not lose the Tennis crowd.

(09-20-2017 12:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:08 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And this weekend we'll get a true comparison as FS1 finally mans up and has 3 games.

Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

well during the fall, it's football season and you show football.

Love how it's always some excuse for FS1.

MLB in the fall is just as important as college football. Especially next month.

Not on Saturday's. Last year was a once in a lifetime thing with the Cubs. Fox's problem IMO is how they have so much other crap like UFC, NASCAR, and Golf that they're showing rather than football. ESPN has the best set up because ESPN 2 is a viable option as a secondary channel and so they can show the US Open there easily and not lose the Tennis crowd.

Royals vs Blue Jays the year before brought high ratings for FS1. That's the smallest AL market and a Canadian tv market.

UFC and NASCAR aren't crap products either. Maybe in your mind. Two very solid properties over the course of the year.

FOX and FS1 have plenty of college football loaded up in October and November during the conference seasons. September is mainly out of conference games which are hit and miss scheduling wise anyways for all the networks.

(09-20-2017 02:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:08 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:22 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Crazy that a sports network only has to show college football not other sports.

ESPN should win big in ratings this week just based on the matchups.

well during the fall, it's football season and you show football.

Love how it's always some excuse for FS1.

MLB in the fall is just as important as college football. Especially next month.

Not on Saturday's. Last year was a once in a lifetime thing with the Cubs. Fox's problem IMO is how they have so much other crap like UFC, NASCAR, and Golf that they're showing rather than football. ESPN has the best set up because ESPN 2 is a viable option as a secondary channel and so they can show the US Open there easily and not lose the Tennis crowd.

Royals vs Blue Jays the year before brought high ratings for FS1. That's the smallest AL market and a Canadian tv market.

UFC and NASCAR aren't crap products either. Maybe in your mind. Two very solid properties over the course of the year.

FOX and FS1 have plenty of college football loaded up in October and November during the conference seasons. September is mainly out of conference games which are hit and miss scheduling wise anyways for all the networks.

Royals/Blue Jays did not get high ratings. Maybe for FS1 compared to the other crap they normally put on, but that series got historically low ratings. Like the 3 lowest LCS audiences EVER in MLB history.

UFC and Nascar are solid properties, but have no business being on FS1 on Saturdays during the fall. Casual sport fans don't give a rip about UFC or Nascar. They are niche sports at best- and sports that have totally peaked and are falling.

And it's always an excuse for FS1.... What excuse will be next??

I just think there's an awful lot of hope with regards to FS1. Think there has been really ever since it launched. But it's really just not matched what the hope was IMO. Nothing they did when they launched stuck. Fox Sports live was absolutely brutal. First night- they have a promo and one of the guys is literally screaming Saints, Colts, Fox, Sunday. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard on TV.

They do not have enough of the big 3 sports that you need in USA- football, basketball, and baseball. They really do have some decent pieces I think otherwise. I personally like the Nic Wright/Cris Carter show in the mornings. Even Skip/Shannon I like in small doses. If Fox had been smart, they would have been the ones who developed what ESPN did with SVP at midnight. I think Fox made a mistake in starting it when it did. I mean, start 2 years earlier, and they may have been able to get some NHL, and even maybe more college sports- both of which would have helped out a lot. I do think Fox thought they would be able to get some NBA which would have been huge.

(09-20-2017 10:47 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Saturday
Noon EST
ESPN Oklahoma State at Pittsburgh 1.56 m
FS1 Northern Illinois at Nebraska 808k

No one really cares about Nebraska any more.

oh and why ESPN kills FS1. This week, ESPN has a whopping 7 MLB games. FS1 has all of 1 game. Everyone wants to talk with FS1 how huge MLB is, but really it's not. I mean, they're only guaranteed 8 playoff games even(if both LDS wind up 3 game sweeps- remember 1 of the games each series is MLB network- and then LCS is a sweep).

But even with all that MLB, ESPN has no games on Saturday. They know that's reserved for college football.

(09-20-2017 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just think there's an awful lot of hope with regards to FS1. Think there has been really ever since it launched. But it's really just not matched what the hope was IMO. Nothing they did when they launched stuck. Fox Sports live was absolutely brutal. First night- they have a promo and one of the guys is literally screaming Saints, Colts, Fox, Sunday. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard on TV.

They do not have enough of the big 3 sports that you need in USA- football, basketball, and baseball. They really do have some decent pieces I think otherwise. I personally like the Nic Wright/Cris Carter show in the mornings. Even Skip/Shannon I like in small doses. If Fox had been smart, they would have been the ones who developed what ESPN did with SVP at midnight. I think Fox made a mistake in starting it when it did. I mean, start 2 years earlier, and they may have been able to get some NHL, and even maybe more college sports- both of which would have helped out a lot. I do think Fox thought they would be able to get some NBA which would have been huge.

(09-21-2017 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  oh and why ESPN kills FS1. This week, ESPN has a whopping 7 MLB games. FS1 has all of 1 game. Everyone wants to talk with FS1 how huge MLB is, but really it's not. I mean, they're only guaranteed 8 playoff games even(if both LDS wind up 3 game sweeps- remember 1 of the games each series is MLB network- and then LCS is a sweep).

But even with all that MLB, ESPN has no games on Saturday. They know that's reserved for college football.

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