I think Trump gave a lot more evidence for the "Trump is racist" argument last night. WTF was that?

Edit: And even more evidence regarding his mental instability.

The pardon paperwork for Joe Arpaio is apparently in the works.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/j...index.html

(08-21-2017 10:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  At least on the last selection by D'Souza, I will take it you are not very familiar with the familial ties of National Socialism and modern Progressivism.

D'Souzas book is a good primer, and I would suggest reading Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Socialism" as to a better researched version of that particular family tree.

Before you go ballistic (and to be honest some of the titles mentioned above deserve that), next time actually try to read them *before* you comment on how horrible they are. Just saying.

Quibble: the Jonah Goldberg book is "Liberal Fascism" (not Socialism). And should be required reading anytime someone smugly tosses out the term "fascist" without knowing what that actually means. Which would include 100% of people labeling themselves "antifa" or carrying inane "No to Fascism!" signs at your local leftist rally du jour.

(08-23-2017 08:55 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  I think Trump gave a lot more evidence for the "Trump is racist" argument last night. WTF was that?
Edit: And even more evidence regarding his mental instability.

And what evidence would that be? I mean specific evidence to support either of your assertions./

(08-23-2017 03:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:55 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  I think Trump gave a lot more evidence for the "Trump is racist" argument last night. WTF was that?
Edit: And even more evidence regarding his mental instability.

And what evidence would that be. I mean specific evidence to support either of your assertions.

Mental stability - being unable to correctly remember his previous statements, yelling at a protestor who made it into the proceedings, and suggesting he pardon Sherrif Joe (why is that even on the table?).

And that doesn't even touch on what I assume was a decent amount of incoherent non-sequiters that Trump is known for (I've only seen clips of the rally).

(08-23-2017 03:25 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 10:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  At least on the last selection by D'Souza, I will take it you are not very familiar with the familial ties of National Socialism and modern Progressivism.

D'Souzas book is a good primer, and I would suggest reading Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Socialism" as to a better researched version of that particular family tree.

Before you go ballistic (and to be honest some of the titles mentioned above deserve that), next time actually try to read them *before* you comment on how horrible they are. Just saying.

Quibble: the Jonah Goldberg book is "Liberal Fascism" (not Socialism). And should be required reading anytime someone smugly tosses out the term "fascist" without knowing what that actually means. Which would include 100% of people labeling themselves "antifa" or carrying inane "No to Fascism!" signs at your local leftist rally du jour.

My bad -- thanks for the correction illini. And yes, it should be required reading.

(08-23-2017 04:49 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:55 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  I think Trump gave a lot more evidence for the "Trump is racist" argument last night. WTF was that?
Edit: And even more evidence regarding his mental instability.

And what evidence would that be. I mean specific evidence to support either of your assertions.

Mental stability - being unable to correctly remember his previous statements, yelling at a protestor who made it into the proceedings, and suggesting he pardon Sherrif Joe (why is that even on the table?).

And that doesn't even touch on what I assume was a decent amount of incoherent non-sequiters that Trump is known for (I've only seen clips of the rally).

Perhaps for the same inane reasons that Oscar López Rivera and Manning (whatever the first name is/was) were granted clemency.

(08-23-2017 04:49 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:55 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  I think Trump gave a lot more evidence for the "Trump is racist" argument last night. WTF was that?
Edit: And even more evidence regarding his mental instability.

And what evidence would that be. I mean specific evidence to support either of your assertions.

Mental stability - being unable to correctly remember his previous statements, yelling at a protestor who made it into the proceedings, and suggesting he pardon Sherrif Joe (why is that even on the table?).

And that doesn't even touch on what I assume was a decent amount of incoherent non-sequiters that Trump is known for (I've only seen clips of the rally).

On Owl69's mental stability question, my first response is "are you serious?" I mean at this point I think those arguing that Trump is a well adjusted individual should be the ones required to show evidence. Beyond the many accounts from his current and former staff and congressional Republicans, we can just look at the bizarre way he is unable to focus, concentrate, stay on topic. Inability to think before tweeting.

On the race question: How many dog whistles does he have to blow? Hell, they aren't even dog whistles, at best they are clumsy Monty Python style "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" statements and at worst it's a bull horn. As Lad points out there is the issue with possibly pardoning a Sheriff who is best known for harassing Hispanics specifically because of their race. "Just doing his job"? His job is to harass non-whites?

"They" are trying to take away "our" history and heritage? When talking about Confederate monuments, most of which were put up in response to pushes for black civil rights?

His Charlottesville comments drew praise from David Duke and his Phoenix rally drew praise from Richard Spencer:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-rally-phoe...ist-653839

An excellent editorial from Jack Danforth:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...1c80b31657

Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Mnuchin requested the use of a private, government plane for his honeymoon travels.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-...d=49777076

Ironically, in the post his wife made on social media after someone criticized her, she explicitly stated how the government didn't pay for their honeymoon travel. I'm guessing that was fresh on her mind because the government wouldn't let them fleece the American people.

(09-14-2017 06:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Mnuchin requested the use of a private, government plane for his honeymoon travels.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-...d=49777076

Ironically, in the post his wife made on social media after someone criticized her, she explicitly stated how the government didn't pay for their honeymoon travel. I'm guessing that was fresh on her mind because the government wouldn't let them fleece the American people.

Not the first

At least Mnuchin canceled his request before boarding.

(09-13-2017 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Good news. I hope we can go all solar soon, and avoid more hurricanes.

(09-14-2017 07:36 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 06:48 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Mnuchin requested the use of a private, government plane for his honeymoon travels.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-...d=49777076

Ironically, in the post his wife made on social media after someone criticized her, she explicitly stated how the government didn't pay for their honeymoon travel. I'm guessing that was fresh on her mind because the government wouldn't let them fleece the American people.

Not the first

At least Mnuchin canceled his request before boarding.

Apples to oranges. From doing a bit more digging, Pelosi using an Air Force jet for official business is the same process that Speakers of the House used prior to her arrival. It wasn't until Boehner self-imposed a private jet ban that this did not become common place.

I don't think it's common practice for Secretaries of the Treasury to use private jets for honeymoon travel.

How about a little context there, or do you just blindly support everything that this admin does?

edit: And for reference

Quote:As second in line to the presidency, the speaker of the House is allowed use of an Air Force jet to travel around the country. When Boehner (R-Ohio) took the speakership in 2011, he vowed to not use the jet. When Boehner (R-Ohio) took the speakership in 2011, he vowed to not use the jet. On Friday, Ryan's office told POLITICO that he would not use the jet, either. Boehner's prohibition did not extend to overseas travel.

Nancy Pelosi caught flak when, as speaker, she flew home to San Francisco on a military airplane. That prompted Boehner's decision to impose the ban.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/the-gavel/...jet-215402

(09-14-2017 07:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Good news. I hope we can go all solar soon, and avoid more hurricanes.

Huh?

In a change of pace, I'll just say Trump has done not one, not two, but THREE things I agree with lately.

1) Raising the debt limit and passing hurricane relief. A practical, pragmatic reaction to the situation.

2) Calling for elimination of the debt limit. Don't think it will happen, but the debt limit is just plain stupid.

3) It now appears he'll support DACA legislation.

(09-14-2017 08:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 07:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Good news. I hope we can go all solar soon, and avoid more hurricanes.

Huh?

Just poking the bear. Some people are blaming Harvey and Irma on man-caused global warming, so it stands to reason that mankind reducing their CO2emissions would help stop hurricanes, right?


Just to forstall all the BS, I believe the current warming of the globe is mostly natural cycle, but exacerbated by Man.

(09-14-2017 12:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 08:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 07:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Good news. I hope we can go all solar soon, and avoid more hurricanes.

Huh?

Just poking the bear. Some people are blaming Harvey and Irma on man-caused global warming, so it stands to reason that mankind reducing their CO2emissions would help stop hurricanes, right?


Just to forstall all the BS, I believe the current warming of the globe is mostly natural cycle, but exacerbated by Man.

Anyone who is literally blaming the formation of the hurricanes on global warming is an idiot.

I've seen plenty of people say, without much thought, that they were caused by global warming. Now, if they mean the former, then yeah, idiots. However, if they mean the size, scale, scope, etc were exacerbated by global warming, that's another thing. I'll be intrigued to see how high their IKE score is and where they fall in historical context. Both Harvey and Irma were very large and very powerful hurricanes that likely score very high on that scale (which is a much better evaluation of a hurricane's strength, IMO).

(09-14-2017 01:28 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 12:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 08:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 07:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Posting here because we have talked about renewables before.

The DOE announced yesterday that one of the Obama era goals of cutting the average cost of solar energy production to 6 cents per kWh by 2020 was met early. This has led the DOE to announce $82M in new funding for solar research focusing on concentrating solar technology and technologies that make solar energy more reliable. Good to see that we were able to hit a target ahead of schedule and that Perry is going to keep the ball rolling and focus on other need areas.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ment-brags

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-...le/2634154

Good news. I hope we can go all solar soon, and avoid more hurricanes.

Huh?

Just poking the bear. Some people are blaming Harvey and Irma on man-caused global warming, so it stands to reason that mankind reducing their CO2emissions would help stop hurricanes, right?


Just to forstall all the BS, I believe the current warming of the globe is mostly natural cycle, but exacerbated by Man.

Anyone who is literally blaming the formation of the hurricanes on global warming is an idiot.

I've seen plenty of people say, without much thought, that they were caused by global warming. Now, if they mean the former, then yeah, idiots. However, if they mean the size, scale, scope, etc were exacerbated by global warming, that's another thing. I'll be intrigued to see how high their IKE score is and where they fall in historical context. Both Harvey and Irma were very large and very powerful hurricanes that likely score very high on that scale (which is a much better evaluation of a hurricane's strength, IMO).

Care to post a link to exactly what an IKE score is. Google searches bring up scads of stories on Hurricane Ike, but nothing I could spot on a "IKE score hurricane strength".

TIA.

(09-14-2017 11:15 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  In a change of pace, I'll just say Trump has done not one, not two, but THREE things I agree with lately.

1) Raising the debt limit and passing hurricane relief. A practical, pragmatic reaction to the situation.

2) Calling for elimination of the debt limit. Don't think it will happen, but the debt limit is just plain stupid.

3) It now appears he'll support DACA legislation.

Thumbs up on number one.

Thumbs down on number two. But, from some I dont expect to see support of any braking mechanism on government debt and/or spending (except on the military) as being sensible. I have no problem with Congress retaining its Constitutionally granted 'power of the purse' even in this form.

As for DACA, glad he ended the rule by diktat and forced it to a legislative solution. But that is the stupid deplorable in me who likes things like 'rule of law', even in the face of 'but its for the children' arguments that always seem to accompany the diktats.

As for whether I am 'for' or 'against' DACA, everytime I find myself supporting it I talk to good friends who actually went through the in-place system to obtain green cards and/or citizenship who tend to really hate the fact that by breaking the law so many are short circuiting the lawful means and 'cutting in front' those who expend the effort to do this the legal and lawful way.