An absolute joke of a start. Defense gives up 63 yard run on first play. Then we return a kickoff to the 12 (in what looked like a designed play/stunt) then 3 penalties before we get a snap off!
(08-27-2017 09:24 AM)texowl2 Wrote: First three minutes of the game tells it all. Stanford ripped through us on defense in 3 plays, looking an NFL team playing a jr high. Kick return two yards deep in the endzone returned to the 12 or so. Three penalties and a run for loss on first 4 plays. During Goldsmith and Hatfield, though occasionally some brutal games, you always felt that we would stay competitive. I went to the OU game at Norman the year they won the national championship (2000) and into the third quarter (maybe it was deep in the second), there was some really nervous fans. Does anyone have confidence that we don't get blown out by all of the major conferences and the vast majority of G5 teams?
At the least Rice fans should expect a well-coached, disciplined team that doesn't continue the tradition of Rice beating Rice.
Since my only recourse is not to buy an inferior product (e.g. "Rice stinks"),
I am reluctantly cancelling my season tickets after over 40 long-suffering years.
Hopefully enough other disgruntled fans will help send a message that the product we are putting on the field is not up to our standards.
(08-27-2017 01:08 PM)ranfin Wrote: The people responsible for keeping Bailiff should be ashamed of themselves and should voluntarily minimize their role in our search for a new coach.
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
Really! Why the hell are we asking them for their comment. Of course they will love him. He is such a nice coach. I love a coach who is feared by the players but respected by the players, not one of the boys.
(08-27-2017 03:43 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
(This post was last modified: 08-27-2017 07:51 PM by OldOwl.)
(08-27-2017 07:51 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Really! Why the hell are we asking them for their comment. Of course they will love him. He is such a nice coach. I love a coach who is feared by the players but respected by the players, not one of the boys.
(08-27-2017 03:43 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
They weren't "asked". Rather, over 250 signed a letter and petition to Karlgaard, Leebron and the BOT, and personally lobbied hard for DB to stay.
(08-27-2017 12:48 PM)Barney Wrote: I'm not as upset as some of you. Maybe I would be if I'd traveled all the way to Australia to see that....
My principal takeaway from this game was how extreme the separation of P5 from G5 has been allowed to become. "College Football" as a single entity doesn't exist anymore. There's P5 college football and there's the rest of college football.
Besides simply being dominated physically, the other flaws I saw were relatively few and simple: we have very young and inexperienced QB's, and we don't look very well coached/disciplined on offense.
On the other hand, I saw a number of positives, which others have listed. I also saw us pressure the QB better against a huge and experienced OL, and with at least a couple of sacks. I saw minimal separation of Stanford's receivers from our DB's, and almost nothing over the top (miracle!).
Emphasis added...
The separation isn't necessarily huge across the board. Colorado State thrashed an admittedly terrible P5 program in Oregon State. But while Rice could barely squeak by Kansas with one of its better teams in recent memory, CSU showed dominance. Never mind what USF is doing (preseason top 25), or what Houston did the last couple of years under Herman. Those are G5 programs, too.
Being G5 makes it virtually impossible to sustain that success, but it isn't impossible to be able to put together a few seasons of excellence. And it appears that it is mostly going to happen within the AAC and MWC conferences, though Western Michigan did it in the MAC. And Northern Illinois has done it there, too.
What is huge is what RICE has allowed to happen - sheer negligence isn't understating it. Rice's football team has been allowed to devolve to a middle FCS caliber program at this point. And that image shouldn't be allowed to mesh with the supposed image of a top tier university, just like GreyOwl said.
I hope that this game is an aberration on the season, and that the performance (once they return to the States) will be raised. (And when I say aberration, I mean in the negative sense. But if this is the best-to-come-type-aberration, I definitely won't be at the ODU game this year.) In the meantime...
Fwiw, couple parents and grandparents mentioned that their kids were pessimistic going into the game based on the preparation, or lack thereof. #littlebighorn
(This post was last modified: 08-27-2017 09:41 PM by NYNightOwl.)
(08-27-2017 09:41 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote: Fwiw, couple parents and grandparents mentioned that their kids were pessimistic going into the game based on the preparation, or lack thereof. #littlebighorn
Interesting. Any details you'd be willing to share? Why did they feel preparation was insufficient?
(08-27-2017 07:51 PM)OldOwl Wrote: Really! Why the hell are we asking them for their comment. Of course they will love him. He is such a nice coach. I love a coach who is feared by the players but respected by the players, not one of the boys.
(08-27-2017 03:43 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:
(08-27-2017 11:24 AM)OldOwl Wrote: If we had a President and AD that cared about Rice sports, they would fire Bailiff when he gets back to Houston but they rather give the President a huge salary who has not accomplished nothing at the university since he got here. Bailiff should have been fired last year but Rice is so worried about expenses that is rather run the whole football program into the ground for $200 or $300K. What a bunch of idiots. Don't they realize how long it will take to build the program up again and how much revenue they will be loosing in the meantime of increasing attendance and TV interest. They should have not sold any season tickets to send a message but people keep buying them like cattle going to a water trough.
From what I understand, Bailiff was NOT retained because of financial reasons, but rather because a large contingent of former football players lobbied extremely hard and effectively to keep DB. IMO, not a reason to keep an ineffective coach who has already been here for 10 years, but it apparently worked.
They weren't "asked". Rather, over 250 signed a letter and petition to Karlgaard, Leebron and the BOT, and personally lobbied hard for DB to stay.
This shocks me. 250!!! That is ten years worth of recruiting classes.
I guess the antidote for the antiBailiff crowd would be to get 250 or so players to sign a petition asking for him to be fired.
(08-27-2017 10:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I guess the antidote for the antiBailiff crowd would be to get 250 or so players to sign a petition asking for him to be fired.
"If this [Board] is not capable of action, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor [Bailiff]'s leadership."
I'm curious to see how the team responds against UTEP. That was embarrassing. I'm sure they've all heard about the "Rice stinks" comment by now. Thank God most of the nation was asleep. As far as I'm concerned, everything rides on the next game. It's as crucial as they get.
I decided not to stay up for the game, but woke up about 5:30am (GMT) and thought the game might be over. Behind 45-0 the game was over, but not quite finished.
Whatever happens in the game I always look at the first couple of drives of the Rice offense each half to assess a team's preparation.
First Quarter
First drive: 3 plays, -6 yards (including three penalties - two false starts and a delay of game).
Second drive: 3 plays, 3 yards
Half time score - Stanford 38, Rice 0
After half-time adjustments...
First drive: 5 plays and 22 yards (including runs of 8 and 17 and then...)
Second drive: 3 plays, 0 yards
Final score - Stanford 62, Rice 7
Even for a 'preseason' game this is just unconscionable and completely unacceptable.
Arguably the worst preparation I have ever witnessed in the past fifty years.
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2017 06:15 AM by MerseyOwl.)
(08-27-2017 10:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I guess the antidote for the antiBailiff crowd would be to get 250 or so players to sign a petition asking for him to be fired.
"If this [Board] is not capable of action, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor [Bailiff]'s leadership."
I am still stunned by the 250 number. If we go back 50 years, and average 25 recruits a year, that is 1250 former players, more or less. Twenty percent signed this petition!
This does not make sense. I don't believe it. Why would you even have such a petition ? You have any actual evidence of such a petition? Some of the players I talked to said preparation before some games were terrible. Sounds like fake news .
(08-28-2017 09:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:
(08-27-2017 11:49 PM)mrbig Wrote:
(08-27-2017 10:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I guess the antidote for the antiBailiff crowd would be to get 250 or so players to sign a petition asking for him to be fired.
"If this [Board] is not capable of action, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor [Bailiff]'s leadership."
I am still stunned by the 250 number. If we go back 50 years, and average 25 recruits a year, that is 1250 former players, more or less. Twenty percent signed this petition!
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2017 11:58 AM by OldOwl.)
