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Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
I'm going to assume we get a 9 game schedule for one. It'll be hard not to go that way.

Let's also say we split into pods and the divisions line up like this...


West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri

South: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky



You play everyone in your pod annually = 3 games

You play one permanent opponent from each of the other 3 pods = 3 games

You play one rotating opponent from each of the other 3 pods = 3 games

That's 9 total. You also rotate through everyone at least once every 3 years and twice every 6 years. That's a pretty good clip and much better than what we've got now.

Now, here's the problem with 9 games. Someone is getting 4 home games while someone else is getting 5. As competitive as we all are in this league, the moaning and gnashing of teeth would be endless unless we do something to make the system more equitable.

We could go to 10 conference games so that everyone gets 5 and 5. That's fair, right? Yes, but it also means extra losses and teams have to give up extra home games in non-conference. Now one of these days we're going to end up playing nothing but Power schools for all 12 games, but that might still be some distance away.

How about conference semis? Each grouping of 4 gets a participant in the semis so we get our needed 9th conference game and in a way we get that 10th game, but it doesn't cost everyone an arm and a leg on and off the field. We get the best of the both worlds in a way. Necessary here is to assure that each grouping gets the same number of home and away games in a single season.

So let's say in Year 1, the West and South get 5 home games while the Central and East get 5 home games in Year 2. It rotates every year obviously. No one gets an advantage over your pod mates in determining who gets into the conference semis. At the end of the regular season, we play semis and every division winner has an equal chance at the conference championship. There's additionally more money in the coffers for those extra games at that.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.
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(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

You saying 8 conference games or 9?
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(08-09-2017 04:38 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

You saying 8 conference games or 9?

8 with 14 conference members, 9 with 16.

Follow a similar format like this:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...s-rotation
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

Absolutely agree with this.

Solves all our division problems (i.e. Auburn can finally let it go) and you get the full conference experience for every player and student there for 4 years.

Now I still refuse to believe we will waste the most valuable thing in CFB (a SEC realignment slot) on Okie State but if even if it's say OU and Kansas then getting rid of divisions is still a must
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(08-09-2017 10:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

Absolutely agree with this.

Solves all our division problems (i.e. Auburn can finally let it go) and you get the full conference experience for every player and student there for 4 years.

Now I still refuse to believe we will waste the most valuable thing in CFB (a SEC realignment slot) on Okie State but if even if it's say OU and Kansas then getting rid of divisions is still a must

I'm one of the biggest Kansas to the SEC supporters on here, but I may be starting to see the light for OK St.

1) They could theoretically win the Big 12/Sugar Bowl/make it to the playoffs this year right before an announcement of a move (or whichever year it is).
2) OK St. vs. Ole Miss, vs. LSU, etc. would be higher rated than Kansas vs. LSU, etc.
3) OK St. "brings" OK with them. (I know its the other way around, but we could easily invite State first.
4) Kansas doesn't have a Boone Pickens to help invest in programs.

On the other hand:
1) Our weak sport is basketball, and Kansas brings Kansas-Kentucky, Kansas-Florida, Kansas-Missouri basketball games (and a Kansas-Missouri football rivalry back).
2) Kansas is a much better academic school.
3) Another state/population, and a barrier to the Big 10.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
I certainly don't mind the idea of Kansas.

I argue though that their announcement of such a huge investment in their football program was in a way an admission that they aren't quite as attractive as they need to be to a football league. They're pumping money into football to show their commitment and to get ready for the next iteration of Power conferences.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-10-2017 11:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I certainly don't mind the idea of Kansas.

I argue though that their announcement of such a huge investment in their football program was in a way an admission that they aren't quite as attractive as they need to be to a football league. They're pumping money into football to show their commitment and to get ready for the next iteration of Power conferences.

Definitely. Kansas would be a solid addition for the SEC or B1G. Kansas needs to develop their football program regardless. They stink bad.

Kansas basketball would be an upgrade to either the SEC or B1G, but moreso the SEC which is why I think they would choose the SEC. In the B1G they would for sure have to compete with Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana, Ohio St, Purdue, and Maryland. Iowa, Minnesota, and Illinois are not slouches either. In the SEC they would compete with Kentucky (better than any B1G school) and Florida. Missouri is okay, and a couple others are decent but it is a stiff drop off after the top 2 or 3.
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(08-10-2017 08:19 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 10:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

Absolutely agree with this.

Solves all our division problems (i.e. Auburn can finally let it go) and you get the full conference experience for every player and student there for 4 years.

Now I still refuse to believe we will waste the most valuable thing in CFB (a SEC realignment slot) on Okie State but if even if it's say OU and Kansas then getting rid of divisions is still a must

I'm one of the biggest Kansas to the SEC supporters on here, but I may be starting to see the light for OK St.

1) They could theoretically win the Big 12/Sugar Bowl/make it to the playoffs this year right before an announcement of a move (or whichever year it is).
2) OK St. vs. Ole Miss, vs. LSU, etc. would be higher rated than Kansas vs. LSU, etc.
3) OK St. "brings" OK with them. (I know its the other way around, but we could easily invite State first.
4) Kansas doesn't have a Boone Pickens to help invest in programs.

On the other hand:
1) Our weak sport is basketball, and Kansas brings Kansas-Kentucky, Kansas-Florida, Kansas-Missouri basketball games (and a Kansas-Missouri football rivalry back).
2) Kansas is a much better academic school.
3) Another state/population, and a barrier to the Big 10.

SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-10-2017 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 08:19 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 10:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 04:20 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I would rather see the school select 3 permanent yearly rivals. The other schools rotated through every other year. Single table conference standings used to select top 4 schools to sec playoffs. Conference champions go to national playoffs.

No divisions allows every school to play everyone within two years.

Absolutely agree with this.

Solves all our division problems (i.e. Auburn can finally let it go) and you get the full conference experience for every player and student there for 4 years.

Now I still refuse to believe we will waste the most valuable thing in CFB (a SEC realignment slot) on Okie State but if even if it's say OU and Kansas then getting rid of divisions is still a must

I'm one of the biggest Kansas to the SEC supporters on here, but I may be starting to see the light for OK St.

1) They could theoretically win the Big 12/Sugar Bowl/make it to the playoffs this year right before an announcement of a move (or whichever year it is).
2) OK St. vs. Ole Miss, vs. LSU, etc. would be higher rated than Kansas vs. LSU, etc.
3) OK St. "brings" OK with them. (I know its the other way around, but we could easily invite State first.
4) Kansas doesn't have a Boone Pickens to help invest in programs.

On the other hand:
1) Our weak sport is basketball, and Kansas brings Kansas-Kentucky, Kansas-Florida, Kansas-Missouri basketball games (and a Kansas-Missouri football rivalry back).
2) Kansas is a much better academic school.
3) Another state/population, and a barrier to the Big 10.

SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.

I wanted to start a thread on the new Disney/ESPN service coming next year, but there wasn't enough enough to properly debate about. Disney did announce that the season packages involving baseball, NHL and MLS would be Available through their app. The live streaming content was very vague, so it's basically a measure where ESPN could offer a separate service from the cable/satellite companies if they do choose. NCAA conference networks have to be a huge part of this formula.
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(08-10-2017 12:17 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.

I wanted to start a thread on the new Disney/ESPN service coming next year, but there wasn't enough enough to properly debate about. Disney did announce that the season packages involving baseball, NHL and MLS would be Available through their app. The live streaming content was very vague, so it's basically a measure where ESPN could offer a separate service from the cable/satellite companies if they do choose. NCAA conference networks have to be a huge part of this formula.

For now, ESPN can't offer all the same content via a streaming service because they would tick off their partners in the cable industry. Ultimately, ESPN would lose money itself if people switch before the market demand is high enough.

So I think the new streaming service is a trial run/forerunner to what they will do in the not too distant future when cord cutting takes its full effect.

I think what they can offer though is sports content that they don't have room for on their networks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of MLS or other niche sports that could be used to attract a unique audience. In other words, an audience that might not necessarily be interested in the lower rungs of sports they can already watch the prime events for on the major networks.
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(08-10-2017 01:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:17 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.

I wanted to start a thread on the new Disney/ESPN service coming next year, but there wasn't enough enough to properly debate about. Disney did announce that the season packages involving baseball, NHL and MLS would be Available through their app. The live streaming content was very vague, so it's basically a measure where ESPN could offer a separate service from the cable/satellite companies if they do choose. NCAA conference networks have to be a huge part of this formula.

For now, ESPN can't offer all the same content via a streaming service because they would tick off their partners in the cable industry. Ultimately, ESPN would lose money itself if people switch before the market demand is high enough.

So I think the new streaming service is a trial run/forerunner to what they will do in the not too distant future when cord cutting takes its full effect.

I think what they can offer though is sports content that they don't have room for on their networks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of MLS or other niche sports that could be used to attract a unique audience. In other words, an audience that might not necessarily be interested in the lower rungs of sports they can already watch the prime events for on the major networks.

The difference is in listening to what ESPN reports and what CNBC reports. ESPN was vague in reporting Disney details and certainly they aren't quite sure yet where they will fit into what Disney is talking about. They know change is coming, and has come with the layoffs, but I doubt that the changes that Disney is hinting will hit by 2019 will be revealed just yet.

On the business channel however, the reporters and shareholders ask more questions and Iger is a little more forthcoming. It was from his interview there that I learned they intend to spend more in original programming of which sports was specifically named. Well if you are going to have more original sports programming that translates to me as less talk and more action and specifically more football games.

So I'll be looking to see which schools ESPN nails down to acquire more rights and then I think you will see them have dedicated games to ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC. And dedicated games to the SECN and ACCN. And the rest of the inventory streamed, or brokered to FS1, FS2, etc.

I think Iger's remarks meant that Disney channels would have an emphasis on new programming, and the sports would have more emphasis on actual contests in whatever sport. If so I think that is a terrific approach.

If the first pick games each week are dedicated to the cable networks and the other P games are available to fans of those schools via streaming I don't think that takes away from anything, but it does add revenue.

Right now I watch SEC baseball on ESPN & SECN. But because I purchased the right through that subscription I watched a lot of SEC baseball on my laptop. One does not rob from the other.

It should be interesting.
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(08-10-2017 01:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 01:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:17 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.

I wanted to start a thread on the new Disney/ESPN service coming next year, but there wasn't enough enough to properly debate about. Disney did announce that the season packages involving baseball, NHL and MLS would be Available through their app. The live streaming content was very vague, so it's basically a measure where ESPN could offer a separate service from the cable/satellite companies if they do choose. NCAA conference networks have to be a huge part of this formula.

For now, ESPN can't offer all the same content via a streaming service because they would tick off their partners in the cable industry. Ultimately, ESPN would lose money itself if people switch before the market demand is high enough.

So I think the new streaming service is a trial run/forerunner to what they will do in the not too distant future when cord cutting takes its full effect.

I think what they can offer though is sports content that they don't have room for on their networks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of MLS or other niche sports that could be used to attract a unique audience. In other words, an audience that might not necessarily be interested in the lower rungs of sports they can already watch the prime events for on the major networks.

The difference is in listening to what ESPN reports and what CNBC reports. ESPN was vague in reporting Disney details and certainly they aren't quite sure yet where they will fit into what Disney is talking about. They know change is coming, and has come with the layoffs, but I doubt that the changes that Disney is hinting will hit by 2019 will be revealed just yet.

On the business channel however, the reporters and shareholders ask more questions and Iger is a little more forthcoming. It was from his interview there that I learned they intend to spend more in original programming of which sports was specifically named. Well if you are going to have more original sports programming that translates to me as less talk and more action and specifically more football games.

So I'll be looking to see which schools ESPN nails down to acquire more rights and then I think you will see them have dedicated games to ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC. And dedicated games to the SECN and ACCN. And the rest of the inventory streamed, or brokered to FS1, FS2, etc.

I think Iger's remarks meant that Disney channels would have an emphasis on new programming, and the sports would have more emphasis on actual contests in whatever sport. If so I think that is a terrific approach.

If the first pick games each week are dedicated to the cable networks and the other P games are available to fans of those schools via streaming I don't think that takes away from anything, but it does add revenue.

Right now I watch SEC baseball on ESPN & SECN. But because I purchased the right through that subscription I watched a lot of SEC baseball on my laptop. One does not rob from the other.

It should be interesting.

If ESPN is dedicated to acquiring more content then the simplest way to do that with regard to the Big 12 is to totally disband the thing sooner than later. As the market model continues to devolve then that's clearly the best content available in college sports.

You mentioned on another thread that technically ESPN and FOX lease content from the PAC and that ultimately they have less control and pay out less money for it. Well, unless that arrangement takes a drastic change in the near future then it might be that the PAC doesn't offer enough value for ESPN to be motivated to move quality schools there.

Perhaps dividing up at least 8 schools between the SEC and ACC is their desired course of action?

It's also been rumored that the American will look at other options beyond ESPN(streaming options that is) when their contract comes up soon. But if ESPN makes a few moves to enhance the value of the American then there's an awful lot of extra content they can offer via streaming. You've already touched on some of that by suggesting ESPN was using the American to acquire full control of certain markets. Being that the AAC's contract comes up for bid sooner than later then perhaps that is yet another motivation to make a grand move soon. The AAC obviously isn't as valuable as the P5, but it's good content at a good price nonetheless. I don't think ESPN would want to lose them.

I tried to come up with a good way to split 8 although it's hard to give both leagues 4 members each that bring something to the table.
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I think the tricky thing about dividing up the Big 12 is that the ACC has Notre Dame as a partial. They really need ND to join in full and while I think they probably will, that creates a numbers issue. The question is add 3 or add 5?

Theoretically, Notre Dame could maintain their partial status and the ACC just add 4, but there's a problem there too. Eventually ND is going to be shut out of the playoff discussion if they can't qualify for a conference championship. Throw that in with their exhaustion with a national schedule and ultimately joining the ACC in full makes the most sense. There's extra money to be made as well, especially if ESPN is willing to pay to acquire new content. Those extra ND games have to be part of their plan, one would think.

Just spitballing...

SEC adds Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia

ACC adds Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, and UConn

American adds BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, Baylor, and Kansas State
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(08-10-2017 08:44 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 01:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 01:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:17 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-10-2017 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC basketball is a sleeper that is just starting to wake up. South Carolina and Florida are improving. L.S.U. has been down for too long but has potential. Alabama and Auburn are just starting to reinvest in it. If we could separate for the NCAA and the schools could earn their true tournament revenue instead of the skimmed credits that have allowed the NCAA to squirrel away 1 Billion in endowed funds from the tournament (70 million a year) then you would see a much bigger emphasis placed on the game.

After Iger's announcement yesterday it will be interesting to see if the SEC and ACC stop at 16, 18, or 20. As Disney moves toward streaming their own product, especially since Iger said they would invest more in original programming (including sports which means more rights purchases) it calls many things into question and I would suspect the ACCN is one of them. They'll get their network, but how much more of a market will ESPN want to secure for them before the 2019 launch? Will they enhance the linear channel aspect, or seek to maximize the more selective streaming aspects for these games? It could yet get very interesting.

I wanted to start a thread on the new Disney/ESPN service coming next year, but there wasn't enough enough to properly debate about. Disney did announce that the season packages involving baseball, NHL and MLS would be Available through their app. The live streaming content was very vague, so it's basically a measure where ESPN could offer a separate service from the cable/satellite companies if they do choose. NCAA conference networks have to be a huge part of this formula.

For now, ESPN can't offer all the same content via a streaming service because they would tick off their partners in the cable industry. Ultimately, ESPN would lose money itself if people switch before the market demand is high enough.

So I think the new streaming service is a trial run/forerunner to what they will do in the not too distant future when cord cutting takes its full effect.

I think what they can offer though is sports content that they don't have room for on their networks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of MLS or other niche sports that could be used to attract a unique audience. In other words, an audience that might not necessarily be interested in the lower rungs of sports they can already watch the prime events for on the major networks.

The difference is in listening to what ESPN reports and what CNBC reports. ESPN was vague in reporting Disney details and certainly they aren't quite sure yet where they will fit into what Disney is talking about. They know change is coming, and has come with the layoffs, but I doubt that the changes that Disney is hinting will hit by 2019 will be revealed just yet.

On the business channel however, the reporters and shareholders ask more questions and Iger is a little more forthcoming. It was from his interview there that I learned they intend to spend more in original programming of which sports was specifically named. Well if you are going to have more original sports programming that translates to me as less talk and more action and specifically more football games.

So I'll be looking to see which schools ESPN nails down to acquire more rights and then I think you will see them have dedicated games to ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC. And dedicated games to the SECN and ACCN. And the rest of the inventory streamed, or brokered to FS1, FS2, etc.

I think Iger's remarks meant that Disney channels would have an emphasis on new programming, and the sports would have more emphasis on actual contests in whatever sport. If so I think that is a terrific approach.

If the first pick games each week are dedicated to the cable networks and the other P games are available to fans of those schools via streaming I don't think that takes away from anything, but it does add revenue.

Right now I watch SEC baseball on ESPN & SECN. But because I purchased the right through that subscription I watched a lot of SEC baseball on my laptop. One does not rob from the other.

It should be interesting.

If ESPN is dedicated to acquiring more content then the simplest way to do that with regard to the Big 12 is to totally disband the thing sooner than later. As the market model continues to devolve then that's clearly the best content available in college sports.

You mentioned on another thread that technically ESPN and FOX lease content from the PAC and that ultimately they have less control and pay out less money for it. Well, unless that arrangement takes a drastic change in the near future then it might be that the PAC doesn't offer enough value for ESPN to be motivated to move quality schools there.

Perhaps dividing up at least 8 schools between the SEC and ACC is their desired course of action?

It's also been rumored that the American will look at other options beyond ESPN(streaming options that is) when their contract comes up soon. But if ESPN makes a few moves to enhance the value of the American then there's an awful lot of extra content they can offer via streaming. You've already touched on some of that by suggesting ESPN was using the American to acquire full control of certain markets. Being that the AAC's contract comes up for bid sooner than later then perhaps that is yet another motivation to make a grand move soon. The AAC obviously isn't as valuable as the P5, but it's good content at a good price nonetheless. I don't think ESPN would want to lose them.

I tried to come up with a good way to split 8 although it's hard to give both leagues 4 members each that bring something to the table.

I think you would have to do it geographically. Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would give the SEC a very nice Midwestern Division when added to Arkansas and Missouri.

Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. would fit well with Miami, F.S.U. and Georgia Tech. Dallas and Atlanta are easy direct flights from transportation hubs and the Texas and the Florida schools is a hop across the Gulf or an I10 trip. Tech is the stretch but then they are for everyone.

Since Wichita is joining the AAC Kansas State could fit there and Baylor would slide right in with S.M.U. and Houston.

But if ESPN picks up the B1G again and handles their version of the BTN then Texas and Kansas could head to the Big 10, OU & OSU to the SEC, W.V.U. and N.D. all in with the ACC, Baylor and Kansas State to the AAC, and if the PAC wanted into Texas with T.C.U. and Tech they could head there. If not then the AAC beckons for them as well.
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Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
I think TT makes more sense in the SEC. They, along with the Oklahoma schools, strengthen the SEC in Texas (Houston, DFW & western Texas) while not posing a threat to A&M.

SEC- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TT & Iowa State

B1G- Kansas

ACC- Texas, TCU, Houston, ND, WV & Cincinnati


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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-11-2017 07:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I think TT makes more sense in the SEC. They, along with the Oklahoma schools, strengthen the SEC in Texas (Houston, DFW & western Texas) while not posing a threat to A&M.

SEC- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TT & Iowa State

B1G- Kansas

ACC- Texas, TCU, Houston, ND, WV & Cincinnati


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I would agree that Tech makes more sense in the SEC, however, any TX addition will piss off the Aggies to some degree. If we're going to do it then we at least need to have a good reason for it. Tech just don't offer us very much.

I threw Houston out as a way to get the ACC and SEC both to 20, but I think that's highly unlikely if I'm being honest. Albeit, I do think adding Houston to the mix in exchange for relegating Baylor would be a better investment for the networks. It would also perhaps be a way to salve the TX politicians who wouldn't want Baylor to lose exposure, but couldn't be seen as fighting on behalf of the school due to scandal.

Maybe another way to do it...

SEC adds TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Cincinnati

ACC adds Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, West Virginia, and UConn

If ESPN is genuinely interested in acquiring new rights and content then I think some of these additions make sense in the long term even if they might cost a little more up front.

-Houston could replace Baylor in the hierarchy and avoid any political issues while simultaneously upgrading potential. UH could be much more of a force via not just market size but the potential of a much larger alumni base in the future as it is a growing public school.

-UConn basically has a P5 budget right now and taking them could keep them out of the B1G/FOX camp.

-Cincinnati could be used to tap OH to a much greater degree. Financially, the move wouldn't pay for itself because of the weaker market model...especially to the SEC, but perhaps there are other tangible benefits.

1) You could create another SEC/ACC annual match-up by insuring ND and UC get together. ND wants the direct exposure in OH after all. But why not just put UC in the ACC then? 2) UC doesn't really give the ACC anything they don't already have...they've got plenty of basketball powers whereas the SEC needs a boost. Also, the ACC needs additional football prowess and UC doesn't really give them that. 3) Even though the market model is weaker, I'm sure ESPN would like a direct presence, perhaps even marquee games, in OH because Ohio State is not coming back into the fold anytime soon so UC to the ESPN grouping does allow for that. Again, why not just put them in the ACC if that's a goal? 4) One of the best ways to undercut the B1G/FOX faction is to take their players. In short, a direct presence in OH for the SEC will allow for more of their top players to leave the state and not just for other B1G programs. The SEC is better equipped to take players from OH than the ACC is. Recruiting nationally is a priority for more SEC schools. 5) The ACC needs to build up their connections to TX if they're really going to make UT happy. While UConn would simply be a bad fit in the SEC and therefore is really not an option, that's really the only move here for the ACC that doesn't give them a football boost.

SEC:

West: TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss

South: Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Cincinnati


ACC:

Gulf: Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Florida State, Georgia Tech

North: Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Miami

Atlantic: Boston College, UConn, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Coastal: North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson


Perhaps then the American is used to acquire more Western properties for the ESPN grouping...

AAC:

West: San Diego State, Fresno State, UNLV, BYU, Boise State

Central: Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, Tulsa, Kansas State

South: Baylor, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Navy

East: UCF, USF, East Carolina, Temple, Army
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Let's take another tack here guys.

Yesterday the markets reflected an entirely different reality to what Disney has proposed. CBNC analysts seem to think that in 2019 Disney will be the cable provider and streaming provider. Think about it. Right now DirectTV/ATT, Charter/Spectrum, WOW, and other cable providers are all reassessing everything. Disney announced that Netflix will not have any Disney programming to offer at the start of 2019. Disney is pulling it all back and they are going to provide their own package of Disney products & ESPN's offerings as an entity. Who knows? They may wind up offering other premium movie channels as part of the package.

What will happen is you won't have 400 channels where 1/3rd of them are shopping and advertising channels. Right now getting live sports is the leader that all of the other cable services pay to have so that they can make money off of the other crap channels that pay them to sell their stuff. Throw in TV rerun channels and add the various History / Geogrpahic /Smitsonian channels and that's your package. We if Disney pulls ESPN from those to launch their own the SEC and ACC stand to make even more because the middle man is cut out and Disney will be keeping all of the profits up front.

Such a package might not offer the PACN & BTN if they aren't with ESPN. Suddenly without ESPN to get the eyes for them they are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That's tremendous leverage for Disney.

But as to the SEC and ACC realignment issues go consider this:

Oklahoma, Kansas to the SEC & Texas to the ACC with N.D. all in is the absolute home run for the two conferences. But if UT and OU insist on little brothers too then perhaps this is the best way to go:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State to the SEC.
Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia to the ACC. N.D. goes all in.

We can hope for the first option and prepare to settle for something like the second.

Now if the Big 10 does a reverse and divests itself from the BTN and goes with an ESPN held model of the BTN then those divisions of property could be quite different.

Texas and Kansas to the Big 10.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC.
Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC.
Texas Tech, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the AAC or PAC.
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RE: Imagine an SEC schedule with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(08-11-2017 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's take another tack here guys.

Yesterday the markets reflected an entirely different reality to what Disney has proposed. CBNC analysts seem to think that in 2019 Disney will be the cable provider and streaming provider. Think about it. Right now DirectTV/ATT, Charter/Spectrum, WOW, and other cable providers are all reassessing everything. Disney announced that Netflix will not have any Disney programming to offer at the start of 2019. Disney is pulling it all back and they are going to provide their own package of Disney products & ESPN's offerings as an entity. Who knows? They may wind up offering other premium movie channels as part of the package.

What will happen is you won't have 400 channels where 1/3rd of them are shopping and advertising channels. Right now getting live sports is the leader that all of the other cable services pay to have so that they can make money off of the other crap channels that pay them to sell their stuff. Throw in TV rerun channels and add the various History / Geogrpahic /Smitsonian channels and that's your package. We if Disney pulls ESPN from those to launch their own the SEC and ACC stand to make even more because the middle man is cut out and Disney will be keeping all of the profits up front.

Such a package might not offer the PACN & BTN if they aren't with ESPN. Suddenly without ESPN to get the eyes for them they are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That's tremendous leverage for Disney.

But as to the SEC and ACC realignment issues go consider this:

Oklahoma, Kansas to the SEC & Texas to the ACC with N.D. all in is the absolute home run for the two conferences. But if UT and OU insist on little brothers too then perhaps this is the best way to go:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State to the SEC.
Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia to the ACC. N.D. goes all in.

We can hope for the first option and prepare to settle for something like the second.

Now if the Big 10 does a reverse and divests itself from the BTN and goes with an ESPN held model of the BTN then those divisions of property could be quite different.

Texas and Kansas to the Big 10.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC.
Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC.
Texas Tech, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the AAC or PAC.

I think Disney wants to do a service similar to Netflix where prerecorded TV shows and movies and TV episodes can be viewed as soon as they are put up on the service. This works for Disney 's content as well as for their movies as I assume the sales of movies on DVD and bluray are dropping like CD's did a decade ago.

I don't see ESPN being solely accessible to only subscribers of this new service as it would cut out all those subscribtion fees from the providers. In another decade it might be feasible for everyone to watch high quality live sports and movies from their phones and TV's with almost guaranteed reliable service, but we are not quite there yet.

ESPN would be wise to keep the B1G and PAC games in that model. A 50% share to a 25% share on those top games would still require those fans to add that service to watch their team play. The SEC and ACC would still provide the bulk of the programming.
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(08-11-2017 05:39 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's take another tack here guys.

Yesterday the markets reflected an entirely different reality to what Disney has proposed. CBNC analysts seem to think that in 2019 Disney will be the cable provider and streaming provider. Think about it. Right now DirectTV/ATT, Charter/Spectrum, WOW, and other cable providers are all reassessing everything. Disney announced that Netflix will not have any Disney programming to offer at the start of 2019. Disney is pulling it all back and they are going to provide their own package of Disney products & ESPN's offerings as an entity. Who knows? They may wind up offering other premium movie channels as part of the package.

What will happen is you won't have 400 channels where 1/3rd of them are shopping and advertising channels. Right now getting live sports is the leader that all of the other cable services pay to have so that they can make money off of the other crap channels that pay them to sell their stuff. Throw in TV rerun channels and add the various History / Geogrpahic /Smitsonian channels and that's your package. We if Disney pulls ESPN from those to launch their own the SEC and ACC stand to make even more because the middle man is cut out and Disney will be keeping all of the profits up front.

Such a package might not offer the PACN & BTN if they aren't with ESPN. Suddenly without ESPN to get the eyes for them they are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. That's tremendous leverage for Disney.

But as to the SEC and ACC realignment issues go consider this:

Oklahoma, Kansas to the SEC & Texas to the ACC with N.D. all in is the absolute home run for the two conferences. But if UT and OU insist on little brothers too then perhaps this is the best way to go:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State to the SEC.
Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia to the ACC. N.D. goes all in.

We can hope for the first option and prepare to settle for something like the second.

Now if the Big 10 does a reverse and divests itself from the BTN and goes with an ESPN held model of the BTN then those divisions of property could be quite different.

Texas and Kansas to the Big 10.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC.
Notre Dame and West Virginia to the ACC.
Texas Tech, T.C.U., Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State to the AAC or PAC.

I think Disney wants to do a service similar to Netflix where prerecorded TV shows and movies and TV episodes can be viewed as soon as they are put up on the service. This works for Disney 's content as well as for their movies as I assume the sales of movies on DVD and bluray are dropping like CD's did a decade ago.

I don't see ESPN being solely accessible to only subscribers of this new service as it would cut out all those subscribtion fees from the providers. In another decade it might be feasible for everyone to watch high quality live sports and movies from their phones and TV's with almost guaranteed reliable service, but we are not quite there yet.

ESPN would be wise to keep the B1G and PAC games in that model. A 50% share to a 25% share on those top games would still require those fans to add that service to watch their team play. The SEC and ACC would still provide the bulk of the programming.

I think Disney will hike the fees for the cable providers to keep ESPN. It won't be exorbitant maybe a buck to a buck fifty. So from 7 and change to 9. They will now have the leverage to do it.
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