(06-16-2017 10:10 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 08:36 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:09 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Remember that in 1984, USL (University of Southwestern Louisiana) became the University of Louisiana with unanimous support from the System Board and all universities within that system, including LA Tech. UL, at that time, had a graduating class with that University of Louisiana name. It achieved that name the same way Louisiana Polytechnic Institute became Louisiana Tech and LSU New Orleans became UNO. However, LSU raised the claim that only the state legislature could change the name of a university, even though that was not a precedent and it was not even under the LSU System. It went all the way to the Louisiana Supreme Court and in a split vote lead by an LSU judge ruled in its favor. During that multi-year legal battle, an injunction was issued prohibiting use of the UL name, so the university continued as USL. So, USL went back to the legislature for name approval and the only thing it was able to get was the University of Louisiana name with a city tag, but only if another university in the state also changed its name similarly. Northeast Louisiana University (NLU) agreed to change to the University of Louisiana at Monroe in exchange for USL's endorsing it for membership in the Sun Belt Conference. That was in 1999.

The university uses its official name on all university academic matters. The law only states that the city tag is to be used when "University of" or "UL" are used. There is no mention of using ONLY Louisiana. There is nothing prohibiting its use of a nickname or an abbreviation of that name, Louisiana, without "University" attached to it. Use of "Louisiana" is not prohibited by the law and is approved by the UL System. And, use of its official name academically is required of the university academically, not of anyone outside of the university.

ULM tried using Louisiana as its name in the early 2000's, but it did not work, so any challenge by them is disingenuous. They decided to brand themselves as ULM, although they could have used Monroe, like other universities have done in shortening their branded name to just the city, e.g. Little Rock (Arkansas- Little Rock), Milwaukee (Wisconsin - Milwaukee), Charlotte ( North Carolina - Charlotte). There is a Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, so use of Lafayette is not doable and is problematic for both schools.

The Sun Belt Conference asked all members to use the name they want to be marketed by. We chose Louisiana and they chose ULM. The ULM president no longer protests our use of Louisiana, although some of their alumni do. LSU has indicated they no longer care what we call ourselves.

We are doing what other schools that do not use their official name for athletic reference have done, e.g. Virginia Tech (Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), Fresno State (California State University - Fresno), LSU (Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College), McNeese (McNeese State University). A better example is Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas. One goes by Nevada and the other UNLV, similar to Louisiana and ULM. So do Cal and UCLA. Many of the universities around the country do not use their official name for athletics but do so academically, e.g. Wisconsin (Wisconsin - Madison), Nebraska (Nebraska - Lincoln), Texas (Texas at Austin), California (Cal Berkeley).

The Louisiana brand is now official. The Sun Belt Conference has a directive on what to call each of its members and ours is Louisiana. Publications and networks are picking up on that and ESPN has finally indicated that it will and has now started to refer to us as Louisiana.

This is the official university statement regarding proper name usage:

Proper Use of the University's Name

University of Louisiana at Lafayette has been the formal and official name of the University since 1999. Please use it in first reference to the University in text. UL Lafayette may be used as an abbreviation to refer to the academic institution when clarification is necessary.

Name: University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Academic Abbreviation: UL Lafayette
Athletics Nickname: Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Athletics Shortened Names: Louisiana, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns
Athletics Abbreviation: LA (for score/stats listings only)

Some people talk about use of Louisiana as being illegal and state they will never call us Louisiana. It is time to end this name issue.
Use of Louisiana athletically has no impact on any other university inside or outside of Louisiana. Any objection to its use is for petty reasons, as it is legal and it is approved by the UL System and by the Sun Belt Conference. If schools in Texas can coexist like Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas State and UTEP, surely schools like Louisiana State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech and ULM can coexist as well.

The bolded statement is absolutely incorrect.

First, had you been granted permission from the start to become UL, no one would have a problem with "Louisiana." However, you were told no, but your immature administration refused to take no for an answer.

The state finally agreed to a compromise and you got another school to change their name for you. You have since stabbed ULM in the back with this ridiculous name game. They gave up fighting it because they have no backbone and their admin is a joke.

Calling yourself Louisiana is just an attempt to circumvent the intent of the bylaws and brand yourself as UL. People will assume "Louisiana" is UL, which you all know full well. Furthermore, calling yourself Louisiana impies you are the flagship of the UL System, which you absolutely are not. Before you deny this, I have seen ULL fans refer to themselves as "the flagship." This implies you are superior to the other schools in the UL System, but all schools are equal. There is no flagship.

You mentioned some examples. Texas was known only as UT for most of it's history. Austin was added much much later, after it had already been Texas for decades. Nevada has also been known as Nevada for most of it's history (although UNLV fans resist it). ULL has never been known as "Louisiana." If you want to envoke these examples you might as well go by your traditional Southwestern name.

Btw, you are not allowed to use "UL," but you put it on your ball caps.

Finally, as said before, the Louisiana name claim is just a way to make people think you are UL, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you should be. What was wrong with Southwestern, anyway? Southeastern is fine being Southeastern, Northwestern State is fine with their name, and if it wasn't for you Northeast would still be Northeast. What if Tech tried to become UL? We don't, because we understand our role in the system. What makes you special that out of nine UL System schools you get to be Louisiana?

The only petty ones here are ULL. You were told no and you've been throwing a temper tantrum every since. And quite frankly, I don't want your childish administration representing my state.

#NotMyLouisiana

So, you get the Louisiana Tech name, but we can't have the Louisiana name? Who is being petty? Always complaining about what WE want to call ourselves. If a name change isn't so important, why did you change from Louisiana Polytechnic Institute? A school has a right to be called whatever it wants to be called if it is legal. Use of Louisiana IS LEGAL. YOUR dislike for it does not change that fact. Quit trying to create controversy on this board and every board on which you post. It is interesting that you defend ULM when it is convenient, but trash them in all other things. You are the one who creates a name issue and goes ballistic whenever you see us use Louisiana. Well, you had better get over it. We have an official university name policy that is LEGAL and is APPROVED BY THE UL SYSTEM. It is being accepted across the country now, so it is not going away. Get a life. Enjoy your school and quit worrying what another school does or calls itself.

There is no Louisiana Tech system. WE are called Louisiana Tech. There is a Louisiana System, you are called University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Get over it, move on. Stop being slimy, shady, crooked about what you prefer to be called.

If it is LEGAL, there is nothing shady about it. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't change our position. We are LOUISIANA!

(06-16-2017 08:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 05:41 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:30 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ULM's self-generated income isn't AWFUL, there are 12 G5's who bring in less in conference, ticket, sponsorship, and donation income.

That's not great but the core is there to do OK. The critical difference is that every other G5 spends at least $4 million more from the school budget or student fees.

On top of that funding gap they are $4 million back of Tech in self-generated income and around $7 million back of the Cajuns.

Being the absolute bottom in subsidy coupled with bottom quarter in self-generated is simply toxic.

Bogus claim that ULL is ahead of Tech by $3 million in self-generated revenue. Actually Tech is over $920K ahead of ULL in that category. ULM is $5.5M behind Tech and $4.6M behind ULL. Of the three schools though, ULL is the only one with over half of its total revenue in school support and under half in self-generated revenue.

From the 2015-2016 NCAA Agreed Upon Procedures reports:

Louisiana Tech
Total revenues--$23,388,735
School support--$10,151,448
Self-generated revenues--$13,237,287 (56.6% of total revenues)

ULL
Total revenues--$25,599,442
School support--$13,283,748
Self-generated revenues--$12,315,694 (48.1% of total revenues)

ULM
Total revenues--$14,659,574
School support--$6,948,873
Self-generated revenues--$7,710,701 (52.6% of total revenues)

School support is the combined total of these categories:
Student fees
Direct institutional support
Indirect institutional support
Indirect institutional support--athletic facilities debt service

And one last point, if you need proof that ULM does not belong in FBS just look at its combined total ticket sales and total contribution figures. There is no doubt which FBS has the lowest combined amount in those categories, and it is ULM. No way any other FBS school falls below $1 million combined in these two revenue categories.

2015-2016 ULM ticket sales--Total $268,934 including just $104,153 for football
2015-2016 ULM contributions--$703,985
Combined ticket sales and contributions--$972,919

Take it up with USA Today.

I have to take it up with you for using an outdated source of information since those were clearly labeled as 2014-2015 figures. The 2015-2016 figures I posted have been available for four months.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the Gannett leech to update that webpage.

(06-16-2017 10:19 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 10:10 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 08:36 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:09 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Remember that in 1984, USL (University of Southwestern Louisiana) became the University of Louisiana with unanimous support from the System Board and all universities within that system, including LA Tech. UL, at that time, had a graduating class with that University of Louisiana name. It achieved that name the same way Louisiana Polytechnic Institute became Louisiana Tech and LSU New Orleans became UNO. However, LSU raised the claim that only the state legislature could change the name of a university, even though that was not a precedent and it was not even under the LSU System. It went all the way to the Louisiana Supreme Court and in a split vote lead by an LSU judge ruled in its favor. During that multi-year legal battle, an injunction was issued prohibiting use of the UL name, so the university continued as USL. So, USL went back to the legislature for name approval and the only thing it was able to get was the University of Louisiana name with a city tag, but only if another university in the state also changed its name similarly. Northeast Louisiana University (NLU) agreed to change to the University of Louisiana at Monroe in exchange for USL's endorsing it for membership in the Sun Belt Conference. That was in 1999.

The university uses its official name on all university academic matters. The law only states that the city tag is to be used when "University of" or "UL" are used. There is no mention of using ONLY Louisiana. There is nothing prohibiting its use of a nickname or an abbreviation of that name, Louisiana, without "University" attached to it. Use of "Louisiana" is not prohibited by the law and is approved by the UL System. And, use of its official name academically is required of the university academically, not of anyone outside of the university.

ULM tried using Louisiana as its name in the early 2000's, but it did not work, so any challenge by them is disingenuous. They decided to brand themselves as ULM, although they could have used Monroe, like other universities have done in shortening their branded name to just the city, e.g. Little Rock (Arkansas- Little Rock), Milwaukee (Wisconsin - Milwaukee), Charlotte ( North Carolina - Charlotte). There is a Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, so use of Lafayette is not doable and is problematic for both schools.

The Sun Belt Conference asked all members to use the name they want to be marketed by. We chose Louisiana and they chose ULM. The ULM president no longer protests our use of Louisiana, although some of their alumni do. LSU has indicated they no longer care what we call ourselves.

We are doing what other schools that do not use their official name for athletic reference have done, e.g. Virginia Tech (Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), Fresno State (California State University - Fresno), LSU (Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College), McNeese (McNeese State University). A better example is Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas. One goes by Nevada and the other UNLV, similar to Louisiana and ULM. So do Cal and UCLA. Many of the universities around the country do not use their official name for athletics but do so academically, e.g. Wisconsin (Wisconsin - Madison), Nebraska (Nebraska - Lincoln), Texas (Texas at Austin), California (Cal Berkeley).

The Louisiana brand is now official. The Sun Belt Conference has a directive on what to call each of its members and ours is Louisiana. Publications and networks are picking up on that and ESPN has finally indicated that it will and has now started to refer to us as Louisiana.

This is the official university statement regarding proper name usage:

Proper Use of the University's Name

University of Louisiana at Lafayette has been the formal and official name of the University since 1999. Please use it in first reference to the University in text. UL Lafayette may be used as an abbreviation to refer to the academic institution when clarification is necessary.

Name: University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Academic Abbreviation: UL Lafayette
Athletics Nickname: Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Athletics Shortened Names: Louisiana, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns
Athletics Abbreviation: LA (for score/stats listings only)

Some people talk about use of Louisiana as being illegal and state they will never call us Louisiana. It is time to end this name issue.
Use of Louisiana athletically has no impact on any other university inside or outside of Louisiana. Any objection to its use is for petty reasons, as it is legal and it is approved by the UL System and by the Sun Belt Conference. If schools in Texas can coexist like Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas State and UTEP, surely schools like Louisiana State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech and ULM can coexist as well.

The bolded statement is absolutely incorrect.

First, had you been granted permission from the start to become UL, no one would have a problem with "Louisiana." However, you were told no, but your immature administration refused to take no for an answer.

The state finally agreed to a compromise and you got another school to change their name for you. You have since stabbed ULM in the back with this ridiculous name game. They gave up fighting it because they have no backbone and their admin is a joke.

Calling yourself Louisiana is just an attempt to circumvent the intent of the bylaws and brand yourself as UL. People will assume "Louisiana" is UL, which you all know full well. Furthermore, calling yourself Louisiana impies you are the flagship of the UL System, which you absolutely are not. Before you deny this, I have seen ULL fans refer to themselves as "the flagship." This implies you are superior to the other schools in the UL System, but all schools are equal. There is no flagship.

You mentioned some examples. Texas was known only as UT for most of it's history. Austin was added much much later, after it had already been Texas for decades. Nevada has also been known as Nevada for most of it's history (although UNLV fans resist it). ULL has never been known as "Louisiana." If you want to envoke these examples you might as well go by your traditional Southwestern name.

Btw, you are not allowed to use "UL," but you put it on your ball caps.

Finally, as said before, the Louisiana name claim is just a way to make people think you are UL, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you should be. What was wrong with Southwestern, anyway? Southeastern is fine being Southeastern, Northwestern State is fine with their name, and if it wasn't for you Northeast would still be Northeast. What if Tech tried to become UL? We don't, because we understand our role in the system. What makes you special that out of nine UL System schools you get to be Louisiana?

The only petty ones here are ULL. You were told no and you've been throwing a temper tantrum every since. And quite frankly, I don't want your childish administration representing my state.

#NotMyLouisiana

So, you get the Louisiana Tech name, but we can't have the Louisiana name? Who is being petty? Always complaining about what WE want to call ourselves. If a name change isn't so important, why did you change from Louisiana Polytechnic Institute? A school has a right to be called whatever it wants to be called if it is legal. Use of Louisiana IS LEGAL. YOUR dislike for it does not change that fact. Quit trying to create controversy on this board and every board on which you post. It is interesting that you defend ULM when it is convenient, but trash them in all other things. You are the one who creates a name issue and goes ballistic whenever you see us use Louisiana. Well, you had better get over it. We have an official university name policy that is LEGAL and is APPROVED BY THE UL SYSTEM. It is being accepted across the country now, so it is not going away. Get a life. Enjoy your school and quit worrying what another school does or calls itself.

There is no Louisiana Tech system. WE are called Louisiana Tech. There is a Louisiana System, you are called University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Get over it, move on. Stop being slimy, shady, crooked about what you prefer to be called.

If it is LEGAL, there is nothing shady about it. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't change our position. We are LOUISIANA!

Ummm....., it is illegal. Time and time again it has been proven that you are violating statute. YOU are in LOUISIANA!! The fact that you guys keep coming back to argue this point is laughable. Just go home. This thread is meant to be about the football future of ULM not what ULL wishes people would call them.

Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

Welcome to the grey area of Louisiana Law. Someone must first file a complaint from within the University of Louisiana System stating that ULL has violated the good faith of the law. Tech and ULM Presidents won't do it right now because they need a united front with ULL to counter what LSU and the Legislature has done in the past. The rest of the folks in the system are not worried about it. They know what the school is called and they aren't FBS. Why risk not getting paid to play a close game against an FBS team for good money? LSU isn't concerned at this point because they perceive none of us as threats which is fact. They also see the name thing as a welcome distraction within the UL system.

(06-16-2017 12:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

Welcome to the grey area of Louisiana Law. Someone must first file a complaint from within the University of Louisiana System stating that ULL has violated the good faith of the law. Tech and ULM Presidents won't do it right now because they need a united front with ULL to counter what LSU and the Legislature has done in the past. The rest of the folks in the system are not worried about it. They know what the school is called and they aren't FBS. Why risk not getting paid to play a close game against an FBS team for good money? LSU isn't concerned at this point because they perceive none of us as threats which is fact. They also see the name thing as a welcome distraction within the UL system.

So let's say McNeese State has a president who loves a good dustup and it's getting close to retirement age (no clue if their president is 18 or 81 years old) and just for grins filed a complaint and the system agrees there was a violation.

What happens?

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

The use of "UL" and "University of Louisiana" is explicitly against UL System Policy. Use of just "Louisiana" is not specifically addressed, but I don't know how that would fall if fleshed out. See page 3.

http://www.ulsystem.net/assets/docs/sear...licies.pdf

The ULL Alumni Association site (which is specifically listed as being prohibited from using "UL" or "University of Louisiana" is replete with such references. https://louisianaalumni.org/licenseplate

I always thought this was fun:
On the ULL Baseball caps, the UL logo is front and center. The required "Lafayette" is tucked away in the back, with the minimum size font, usually the same color as the rest of the hat.

(06-16-2017 01:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 12:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

Welcome to the grey area of Louisiana Law. Someone must first file a complaint from within the University of Louisiana System stating that ULL has violated the good faith of the law. Tech and ULM Presidents won't do it right now because they need a united front with ULL to counter what LSU and the Legislature has done in the past. The rest of the folks in the system are not worried about it. They know what the school is called and they aren't FBS. Why risk not getting paid to play a close game against an FBS team for good money? LSU isn't concerned at this point because they perceive none of us as threats which is fact. They also see the name thing as a welcome distraction within the UL system.

So let's say McNeese State has a president who loves a good dustup and it's getting close to retirement age (no clue if their president is 18 or 81 years old) and just for grins filed a complaint and the system agrees there was a violation.

What happens?

Probably whatever they want: to include lawsuits, sanctions, or employment action.

http://www.ulsystem.net/assets/docs/sear...3_2012.pdf

(06-16-2017 01:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 12:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

Welcome to the grey area of Louisiana Law. Someone must first file a complaint from within the University of Louisiana System stating that ULL has violated the good faith of the law. Tech and ULM Presidents won't do it right now because they need a united front with ULL to counter what LSU and the Legislature has done in the past. The rest of the folks in the system are not worried about it. They know what the school is called and they aren't FBS. Why risk not getting paid to play a close game against an FBS team for good money? LSU isn't concerned at this point because they perceive none of us as threats which is fact. They also see the name thing as a welcome distraction within the UL system.

So let's say McNeese State has a president who loves a good dustup and it's getting close to retirement age (no clue if their president is 18 or 81 years old) and just for grins filed a complaint and the system agrees there was a violation.

What happens?

Good quesiton. My guess is that it would be one of these options.
A. Go to the Board of Trustees of the University of Louisiana System

B. Be filed in a Louisiana district court as a civil suit or a cease and desist order. A large fine and usage would be further restricted. When the judge rules on it it would be appeals until reaching the LA Supreme Court.

C. The President would have a State Rep call for an investigation and a committee would review it similar to what is going on in Washington right now. It would then go to the house floor where the real fireworks would start.

D. A State Rep or State Senator makes the accusation on the house floor and the house body votes on a motion to fix it 1st by a formal declaration to stop the usage under the penalty of stoppage of funding.

More than likely the penalty would be funding being taken away. It would be a complete mess and LSU would more than likely have to back it completely to get the desired result otherwise it would be tabled in a committee and ULL Reps would fight it behind closed doors.

(06-16-2017 10:19 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 10:10 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 08:36 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:09 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Remember that in 1984, USL (University of Southwestern Louisiana) became the University of Louisiana with unanimous support from the System Board and all universities within that system, including LA Tech. UL, at that time, had a graduating class with that University of Louisiana name. It achieved that name the same way Louisiana Polytechnic Institute became Louisiana Tech and LSU New Orleans became UNO. However, LSU raised the claim that only the state legislature could change the name of a university, even though that was not a precedent and it was not even under the LSU System. It went all the way to the Louisiana Supreme Court and in a split vote lead by an LSU judge ruled in its favor. During that multi-year legal battle, an injunction was issued prohibiting use of the UL name, so the university continued as USL. So, USL went back to the legislature for name approval and the only thing it was able to get was the University of Louisiana name with a city tag, but only if another university in the state also changed its name similarly. Northeast Louisiana University (NLU) agreed to change to the University of Louisiana at Monroe in exchange for USL's endorsing it for membership in the Sun Belt Conference. That was in 1999.

The university uses its official name on all university academic matters. The law only states that the city tag is to be used when "University of" or "UL" are used. There is no mention of using ONLY Louisiana. There is nothing prohibiting its use of a nickname or an abbreviation of that name, Louisiana, without "University" attached to it. Use of "Louisiana" is not prohibited by the law and is approved by the UL System. And, use of its official name academically is required of the university academically, not of anyone outside of the university.

ULM tried using Louisiana as its name in the early 2000's, but it did not work, so any challenge by them is disingenuous. They decided to brand themselves as ULM, although they could have used Monroe, like other universities have done in shortening their branded name to just the city, e.g. Little Rock (Arkansas- Little Rock), Milwaukee (Wisconsin - Milwaukee), Charlotte ( North Carolina - Charlotte). There is a Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, so use of Lafayette is not doable and is problematic for both schools.

The Sun Belt Conference asked all members to use the name they want to be marketed by. We chose Louisiana and they chose ULM. The ULM president no longer protests our use of Louisiana, although some of their alumni do. LSU has indicated they no longer care what we call ourselves.

We are doing what other schools that do not use their official name for athletic reference have done, e.g. Virginia Tech (Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), Fresno State (California State University - Fresno), LSU (Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College), McNeese (McNeese State University). A better example is Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas. One goes by Nevada and the other UNLV, similar to Louisiana and ULM. So do Cal and UCLA. Many of the universities around the country do not use their official name for athletics but do so academically, e.g. Wisconsin (Wisconsin - Madison), Nebraska (Nebraska - Lincoln), Texas (Texas at Austin), California (Cal Berkeley).

The Louisiana brand is now official. The Sun Belt Conference has a directive on what to call each of its members and ours is Louisiana. Publications and networks are picking up on that and ESPN has finally indicated that it will and has now started to refer to us as Louisiana.

This is the official university statement regarding proper name usage:

Proper Use of the University's Name

University of Louisiana at Lafayette has been the formal and official name of the University since 1999. Please use it in first reference to the University in text. UL Lafayette may be used as an abbreviation to refer to the academic institution when clarification is necessary.

Name: University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Academic Abbreviation: UL Lafayette
Athletics Nickname: Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Athletics Shortened Names: Louisiana, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns
Athletics Abbreviation: LA (for score/stats listings only)

Some people talk about use of Louisiana as being illegal and state they will never call us Louisiana. It is time to end this name issue.
Use of Louisiana athletically has no impact on any other university inside or outside of Louisiana. Any objection to its use is for petty reasons, as it is legal and it is approved by the UL System and by the Sun Belt Conference. If schools in Texas can coexist like Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas State and UTEP, surely schools like Louisiana State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech and ULM can coexist as well.

The bolded statement is absolutely incorrect.

First, had you been granted permission from the start to become UL, no one would have a problem with "Louisiana." However, you were told no, but your immature administration refused to take no for an answer.

The state finally agreed to a compromise and you got another school to change their name for you. You have since stabbed ULM in the back with this ridiculous name game. They gave up fighting it because they have no backbone and their admin is a joke.

Calling yourself Louisiana is just an attempt to circumvent the intent of the bylaws and brand yourself as UL. People will assume "Louisiana" is UL, which you all know full well. Furthermore, calling yourself Louisiana impies you are the flagship of the UL System, which you absolutely are not. Before you deny this, I have seen ULL fans refer to themselves as "the flagship." This implies you are superior to the other schools in the UL System, but all schools are equal. There is no flagship.

You mentioned some examples. Texas was known only as UT for most of it's history. Austin was added much much later, after it had already been Texas for decades. Nevada has also been known as Nevada for most of it's history (although UNLV fans resist it). ULL has never been known as "Louisiana." If you want to envoke these examples you might as well go by your traditional Southwestern name.

Btw, you are not allowed to use "UL," but you put it on your ball caps.

Finally, as said before, the Louisiana name claim is just a way to make people think you are UL, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you should be. What was wrong with Southwestern, anyway? Southeastern is fine being Southeastern, Northwestern State is fine with their name, and if it wasn't for you Northeast would still be Northeast. What if Tech tried to become UL? We don't, because we understand our role in the system. What makes you special that out of nine UL System schools you get to be Louisiana?

The only petty ones here are ULL. You were told no and you've been throwing a temper tantrum every since. And quite frankly, I don't want your childish administration representing my state.

#NotMyLouisiana

So, you get the Louisiana Tech name, but we can't have the Louisiana name? Who is being petty? Always complaining about what WE want to call ourselves. If a name change isn't so important, why did you change from Louisiana Polytechnic Institute? A school has a right to be called whatever it wants to be called if it is legal. Use of Louisiana IS LEGAL. YOUR dislike for it does not change that fact. Quit trying to create controversy on this board and every board on which you post. It is interesting that you defend ULM when it is convenient, but trash them in all other things. You are the one who creates a name issue and goes ballistic whenever you see us use Louisiana. Well, you had better get over it. We have an official university name policy that is LEGAL and is APPROVED BY THE UL SYSTEM. It is being accepted across the country now, so it is not going away. Get a life. Enjoy your school and quit worrying what another school does or calls itself.

There is no Louisiana Tech system. WE are called Louisiana Tech. There is a Louisiana System, you are called University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Get over it, move on. Stop being slimy, shady, crooked about what you prefer to be called.

If it is LEGAL, there is nothing shady about it. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't change our position. We are LOUISIANA!

Whether it is legal or not is questionable. What is without question is that it is unethical. There is certainly nothing legal about UL on @ Lafayette's baseball caps.

Tech fans didn't much care until @ Lafayette's "fans" dragged Tech into by claiming that Ruston is part of Tech's official name. It is not and never has been but your "fans" still dragged Tech into it knowing full well that such a claim is false. Honesty and integrity are consistently lacking in @ Lafayette "fans."

(06-16-2017 01:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 12:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

Welcome to the grey area of Louisiana Law. Someone must first file a complaint from within the University of Louisiana System stating that ULL has violated the good faith of the law. Tech and ULM Presidents won't do it right now because they need a united front with ULL to counter what LSU and the Legislature has done in the past. The rest of the folks in the system are not worried about it. They know what the school is called and they aren't FBS. Why risk not getting paid to play a close game against an FBS team for good money? LSU isn't concerned at this point because they perceive none of us as threats which is fact. They also see the name thing as a welcome distraction within the UL system.

So let's say McNeese State has a president who loves a good dustup and it's getting close to retirement age (no clue if their president is 18 or 81 years old) and just for grins filed a complaint and the system agrees there was a violation.

What happens?

The SBC certainly made things worse in apparently going along with @ Lafayette to the detriment of an equal conference member in ULM. The law was written and passed at the behest of USL with the agreement that the city designation would always be used. @ Lafayette created the name game by not complying with the law. Its a con game that @ Lafayette has pulled on the State of Louisiana, ULM, the other member school of the UL System, and now the SBC. A con game born from the temper tantrum @ Lafayette has been throwing for years. One would think an institution of higher education would be ethical. But, alas, not @ Lafayette.

Let ULL use UL or Louisiana all they want, all it does is create a brand identity crisis.

ESPN uses a Leopard icon for them because of Lafayette College. During one of the vacated NO bowls games (remember ULL had to vacate their NO Bowl wins and their share of the SBC championship because ULL was cheating) One of the announcer kept on referring to ULL as Monroe Plus the leopard icon was use as their mascot.

All it does is create confusion, cheapens their brand and causes the national media to laugh at them and call them Monroe and leopards. They are use to cheating so let them cheat the name game and cheapen their brand!

(06-16-2017 08:36 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 12:09 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:46 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Remember that in 1984, USL (University of Southwestern Louisiana) became the University of Louisiana with unanimous support from the System Board and all universities within that system, including LA Tech. UL, at that time, had a graduating class with that University of Louisiana name. It achieved that name the same way Louisiana Polytechnic Institute became Louisiana Tech and LSU New Orleans became UNO. However, LSU raised the claim that only the state legislature could change the name of a university, even though that was not a precedent and it was not even under the LSU System. It went all the way to the Louisiana Supreme Court and in a split vote lead by an LSU judge ruled in its favor. During that multi-year legal battle, an injunction was issued prohibiting use of the UL name, so the university continued as USL. So, USL went back to the legislature for name approval and the only thing it was able to get was the University of Louisiana name with a city tag, but only if another university in the state also changed its name similarly. Northeast Louisiana University (NLU) agreed to change to the University of Louisiana at Monroe in exchange for USL's endorsing it for membership in the Sun Belt Conference. That was in 1999.

The university uses its official name on all university academic matters. The law only states that the city tag is to be used when "University of" or "UL" are used. There is no mention of using ONLY Louisiana. There is nothing prohibiting its use of a nickname or an abbreviation of that name, Louisiana, without "University" attached to it. Use of "Louisiana" is not prohibited by the law and is approved by the UL System. And, use of its official name academically is required of the university academically, not of anyone outside of the university.

ULM tried using Louisiana as its name in the early 2000's, but it did not work, so any challenge by them is disingenuous. They decided to brand themselves as ULM, although they could have used Monroe, like other universities have done in shortening their branded name to just the city, e.g. Little Rock (Arkansas- Little Rock), Milwaukee (Wisconsin - Milwaukee), Charlotte ( North Carolina - Charlotte). There is a Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, so use of Lafayette is not doable and is problematic for both schools.

The Sun Belt Conference asked all members to use the name they want to be marketed by. We chose Louisiana and they chose ULM. The ULM president no longer protests our use of Louisiana, although some of their alumni do. LSU has indicated they no longer care what we call ourselves.

We are doing what other schools that do not use their official name for athletic reference have done, e.g. Virginia Tech (Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), Fresno State (California State University - Fresno), LSU (Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College), McNeese (McNeese State University). A better example is Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas. One goes by Nevada and the other UNLV, similar to Louisiana and ULM. So do Cal and UCLA. Many of the universities around the country do not use their official name for athletics but do so academically, e.g. Wisconsin (Wisconsin - Madison), Nebraska (Nebraska - Lincoln), Texas (Texas at Austin), California (Cal Berkeley).

The Louisiana brand is now official. The Sun Belt Conference has a directive on what to call each of its members and ours is Louisiana. Publications and networks are picking up on that and ESPN has finally indicated that it will and has now started to refer to us as Louisiana.

This is the official university statement regarding proper name usage:

Proper Use of the University's Name

University of Louisiana at Lafayette has been the formal and official name of the University since 1999. Please use it in first reference to the University in text. UL Lafayette may be used as an abbreviation to refer to the academic institution when clarification is necessary.

Name: University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Academic Abbreviation: UL Lafayette
Athletics Nickname: Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Athletics Shortened Names: Louisiana, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns
Athletics Abbreviation: LA (for score/stats listings only)

Some people talk about use of Louisiana as being illegal and state they will never call us Louisiana. It is time to end this name issue.
Use of Louisiana athletically has no impact on any other university inside or outside of Louisiana. Any objection to its use is for petty reasons, as it is legal and it is approved by the UL System and by the Sun Belt Conference. If schools in Texas can coexist like Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas State and UTEP, surely schools like Louisiana State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech and ULM can coexist as well.

The bolded statement is absolutely incorrect.

First, had you been granted permission from the start to become UL, no one would have a problem with "Louisiana." However, you were told no, but your immature administration refused to take no for an answer.

The state finally agreed to a compromise and you got another school to change their name for you. You have since stabbed ULM in the back with this ridiculous name game. They gave up fighting it because they have no backbone and their admin is a joke.

Calling yourself Louisiana is just an attempt to circumvent the intent of the bylaws and brand yourself as UL. People will assume "Louisiana" is UL, which you all know full well. Furthermore, calling yourself Louisiana impies you are the flagship of the UL System, which you absolutely are not. Before you deny this, I have seen ULL fans refer to themselves as "the flagship." This implies you are superior to the other schools in the UL System, but all schools are equal. There is no flagship.

You mentioned some examples. Texas was known only as UT for most of it's history. Austin was added much much later, after it had already been Texas for decades. Nevada has also been known as Nevada for most of it's history (although UNLV fans resist it). ULL has never been known as "Louisiana." If you want to envoke these examples you might as well go by your traditional Southwestern name.

Btw, you are not allowed to use "UL," but you put it on your ball caps.

Finally, as said before, the Louisiana name claim is just a way to make people think you are UL, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you should be. What was wrong with Southwestern, anyway? Southeastern is fine being Southeastern, Northwestern State is fine with their name, and if it wasn't for you Northeast would still be Northeast. What if Tech tried to become UL? We don't, because we understand our role in the system. What makes you special that out of nine UL System schools you get to be Louisiana?

The only petty ones here are ULL. You were told no and you've been throwing a temper tantrum every since. And quite frankly, I don't want your childish administration representing my state.

#NotMyLouisiana

So, you get the Louisiana Tech name, but we can't have the Louisiana name? Who is being petty? Always complaining about what WE want to call ourselves. If a name change isn't so important, why did you change from Louisiana Polytechnic Institute? A school has a right to be called whatever it wants to be called if it is legal. Use of Louisiana IS LEGAL. YOUR dislike for it does not change that fact. Quit trying to create controversy on this board and every board on which you post. It is interesting that you defend ULM when it is convenient, but trash them in all other things. You are the one who creates a name issue and goes ballistic whenever you see us use Louisiana. Well, you had better get over it. We have an official university name policy that is LEGAL and is APPROVED BY THE UL SYSTEM. It is being accepted across the country now, so it is not going away. Get a life. Enjoy your school and quit worrying what another school does or calls itself.

Actually, I never said a dang word about it until CAJUN FANS started trashing ME about it. I saw Cajuns saying UL, I said ULL, no one made a fuss. Recently, however, Cajuns have been going ballistic ON ME AND OTHERS about this whole crap while ULL insisted on being called by a name that is at least unethical, if not illegal.

I used to see ULL as a friendly rivalry. No hatred, just wink and nudge your Cajun friend when you beat them. Recently, however, Cajuns have gone absolutely ballistic and I got sick of it real quick. ULL's fans are among the worst in college sports. I actually cheer for Southern Miss over ULL, and that is hard to do.

ESPN started dropping in the Leopard logo after the ULL media relations director started calling the network ESPN-Bristol when they correctly didn't go along with the ULL branding requests.

16 pages about a team not in our conference not having a future schedule and another team calling themselves the wrong name. I love the offseason.

Another thread taken over by something no one outside the state of Louisiana could give a #$% CRAP about. Why a MOD doesn't split this and it where it belongs, in the damn trash.

Immature imbeciles take your FN Name Game and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

(06-16-2017 06:32 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  16 pages about a team not in our conference not having a future schedule and another team calling themselves the wrong name. I love the offseason.

Couldn't stand to read this board at only 10 posts per page. It's only page 4 for those of us set at 50 posts per page.

(06-16-2017 06:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Another thread taken over by something no one outside the state of Louisiana could give a #$% CRAP about. Why a MOD doesn't split this and it where it belongs, in the damn trash.

Immature imbeciles take your FN Name Game and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

When is Marshall going to man up and come to Ruston

I did enjoy watching UNT take Marshall to the woodshed last year in Denton

(06-16-2017 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Well nothing beats another name thread.

Just out of curiosity. What is the penalty if someone doesn't follow the law on the name business. If something is illegal, the law generally provides some sort of sanction. What is the sanction for improper name usage in Louisiana?

I think it only matters if LSU get upset about it. If that happens the issue will be over very quickly.

(06-16-2017 06:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Another thread taken over by something no one outside the state of Louisiana could give a #$% CRAP about. Why a MOD doesn't split this and it where it belongs, in the damn trash.

Immature imbeciles take your FN Name Game and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Then don't read it. No one is forcing you.