http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cg...thevictors

FFS Mach that's a message board.

Read the article. It's linked too. Holy Crapola.

Holy crapola a f*cking op/ed.. sorry that don't tickle my Willy.

Mach take a few days from here and get right. You've let this election get to you and you're not making sense.

Here gdunn

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/colum...384747001/

What's faked up about it? Are you saying Kansas is just great?

(06-12-2017 06:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What's faked up about it? Are you saying Kansas is just great?

It's an opinion piece... Do you not get this? I can wipe my ass with a paper and you'd get the same thing from an option/Ed piece.

Read the man's opinion and tell me what is wrong with it.

jeez, that board has the worst format I've ever seen.

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Without any detail as to what else is happening in the local economy, there could be a gazillion things wrong with this one guy's opinion.

Typical statist blather- tax cuts, bad. More government, good.

He's right on one thing though, we don't all want to live like that...

Here's another view:

Quote:The reality is more prosaic—and politically cynical. The press accounts gleefully talk of how “moderate Republicans” joined with Democrats to raise taxes to address exploding state deficits. But substitute “Republicans backed by teachers unions” for moderate Republicans, and the real picture comes into focus. At bottom the Kansas tax vote was as much about unions getting even with the Governor over his education reforms, which included making it easier to fire bad teachers.

So now we have a clearer picture. Teachers unions. Firing bad teachers. Yada...yada...yada...

Further:

Quote:Mr. Brownback was unlucky in his timing, given the hits to the agricultural and energy industries that count for much of the state economy. ...But unemployment is still low at 3.7%, and the state has had considerable small-business formation every year since the tax cuts were enacted....Mr. Brownback’s reform mistake was that in eliminating taxes on “pass-through” small businesses, the Governor created a loophole that allowed law firms, accounting agencies, consultants and many others to declare wage income to be business profit and pay little or nothing...

Link to WSJ ($)

Typical big government cradle to gave wish list. The theory being government must always get more and more money--regardless of whether the constuents have enough to pay it. Any concept of living within your means is discarded by the big government folks under the guise of "the work is too impoertant".

So, as the tax burden rises, and wages fall, the constituents are expected to magically make room for higher and higher taxes---whether they can afford it or not. Government, according to the Big Governement lobby cannot be forced to live within a budget. It must become bigger and bigger with new innovative programs---while never ending any old programs, essentially--big government is the new slavery.

In Texas, when you pay your house off, you still owe steadily rising property taxes. I looked up the first home I ever owned the other day. The monthly taxes on it now are approaching an amount equal to the entire payment amount (which included interest, principle, and taxes) back when I lived there. Essentially, you never own real estate---you really just rent your property from the government. Indentured servitude.

Detroit. LOL.

In Texas, when you pay your house off, you still owe steadily rising property taxes. I looked up the first home I ever owned the other day. The monthly taxes on it now are approaching an amount equal to the entire payment amount (which included interest, principle, and taxes) back when I lived there. Essentially, you never own real estate---you really just rent your property from the government. Indentured servitude.
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How true. With what we pay in taxes, $6800 a year, we could almost live in a nice apartment but I would get claustrophobic. I need a back yard. Besides, why give up my nice house for an apartment, too big of a change. Too bad my wife and I are city slickers and couldn't live in a place like Ruidoso NM or Silver City NM. But there they have state taxes so it would probably even out.

(06-12-2017 05:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cg...thevictors

C'mon Mach! Can you at least summarize WTF you're talking about before dropping a link to another discussion board.

Have a little courtesy for the community here.

(06-12-2017 06:44 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Read the man's opinion and tell me what is wrong with it.

Its an opinion!

(06-12-2017 06:44 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Read the man's opinion and tell me what is wrong with it.

Let start with this gem

Quote:"It’s not taking place in a laboratory, under tightly controlled circumstances, where the consequences, even if they go wildly awry, can be contained to beaker or pipette."

"Laboratories of democracy" is a phrase popularized by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.

Then this..

Quote:Government is the structural expression of our public lives, outlining the way we choose — democratically — to build and protect collective goods and services.

No.... Government is an expression of how we have decided to protect our inalienable rights, not to manage "collective goods"... The man penning this is a collectivist and he is framing the discussion through an evil interpretation of what the government is..

That's right, collectivism is evil.

And BTW, for someone from Detroit, a city ruined when leftists decided 50 years ago to rewrite how we lived and interacted with each other to ***** about using states or localities as "laboratories" is the height of humor.

You can screw up tax breaks, you can screw up spending... Nothing philosophical on either side guarantees success.

I'll tell you what Mach... If Kansas is the natural consequence of "small government" let's call detroit the natural consequence of "big government" and see where people would rather live.

(06-12-2017 02:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  In Texas, when you pay your house off, you still owe steadily rising property taxes. I looked up the first home I ever owned the other day. The monthly taxes on it now are approaching an amount equal to the entire payment amount (which included interest, principle, and taxes) back when I lived there. Essentially, you never own real estate---you really just rent your property from the government. Indentured servitude.

How true. With what we pay in taxes, $6800 a year, we could almost live in a nice apartment but I would get claustrophobic. I need a back yard. Besides, why give up my nice house for an apartment, too big of a change. Too bad my wife and I are city slickers and couldn't live in a place like Ruidoso NM or Silver City NM. But there they have state taxes so it would probably even out.
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Your property taxes are almost 7 grand? Wow.

(06-12-2017 03:58 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  In Texas, when you pay your house off, you still owe steadily rising property taxes. I looked up the first home I ever owned the other day. The monthly taxes on it now are approaching an amount equal to the entire payment amount (which included interest, principle, and taxes) back when I lived there. Essentially, you never own real estate---you really just rent your property from the government. Indentured servitude.

How true. With what we pay in taxes, $6800 a year, we could almost live in a nice apartment but I would get claustrophobic. I need a back yard. Besides, why give up my nice house for an apartment, too big of a change. Too bad my wife and I are city slickers and couldn't live in a place like Ruidoso NM or Silver City NM. But there they have state taxes so it would probably even out.

Your property taxes are almost 7 grand? Wow.
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Yeash.... I'm pissed that I'm up to two grand a year.

(06-12-2017 04:10 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 03:58 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  In Texas, when you pay your house off, you still owe steadily rising property taxes. I looked up the first home I ever owned the other day. The monthly taxes on it now are approaching an amount equal to the entire payment amount (which included interest, principle, and taxes) back when I lived there. Essentially, you never own real estate---you really just rent your property from the government. Indentured servitude.

How true. With what we pay in taxes, $6800 a year, we could almost live in a nice apartment but I would get claustrophobic. I need a back yard. Besides, why give up my nice house for an apartment, too big of a change. Too bad my wife and I are city slickers and couldn't live in a place like Ruidoso NM or Silver City NM. But there they have state taxes so it would probably even out.

Your property taxes are almost 7 grand? Wow.

Yeash.... I'm pissed that I'm up to two grand a year.
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I'm at $11,000. And that's after the senior citizen discount.